I think it was a disappointing cameo given it was Anderlecht and he was the fresh player on the pitch. I expected more from him in that situation.
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He was bought on to run at the defence but once Rashford scored that role changed to him bring an outlet and holding the ball up and slowing the game down .
He got better as the game went on but the first 10 mins or so were bad. No fire or determination
Not good enough, Sevilla is his level.
Sorry, wrong.
Thought the same thing too when I saw that.
Such a shame he apparently can't be arsed, his potential is frightening. I still don't think he'll be sold this summer but it looks clear he won't be first choice unless he bucks his ideas up.
That's fine but I'm not buying the he was lazy argument.
Last game, I'm a bit surprised Mourinho played Martial instead of Rooney, for the injured Zlatan.
He's still finding his form, disappointingly off form currently but..
I notice from recent games, he's adding new attacking elements to his games - running behind the defensive lines, like that one instance when Mkhi through passes the ball to him but offside.
Just something I find rare for Martial to do
carry on improving Anthony, fulfill your scary potential.
He's still finding his form, disappointingly off form currently but..
I notice from recent games, he's adding new attacking elements to his games - running behind the defensive lines, like that one instance when Mkhi through passes the ball to him but offside.
Just something I find rare for Martial to do
carry on improving Anthony, fulfill your scary potential.If Ibra is out for a few weeks, then he needs to put in so,e decent performances, as he will bet games. No point blaming the manager if he doesn't perform.
I was very critical of him in the first leg. Thought he did fine yesterday though. You guys need to calm down a bit.
Really nothing special when he came in. It's baffling how some will do anything not to criticise him.
No you don't. You can judge this season's stats in isolation. For a 21 year old wide player to be down there among central defenders and a 36 year old target man - averaging 3km less per game than Lingard or Mata - is a disgrace.
On a side note, wtf?
It would help in comparing his own workrate to see if there's any marked difference to last season.
There are too many questions to give a straight answer. Martial was highly rated but he wasn't the only player highly rated, he wasn't Monaco's best young player in 2014/2015 either, it was Kondogbia and Bernardo Silva. For Monaco, Martial was one for the future and United offered "present" money.
It would be useful but wouldn't tell us anything we don't know already. He's playing worse, this season compared to last. Fewer chances created, fewer assists, fewer passes, worse pass completion, less tackles won, more tackles lost Interestingly, one of the only metrics he's improved upon from last season is in goals scored per 90 minutes played. That was a surprise. The other counter-intuitive stats are blocks and interceptions, which he has improved upon last season. Although those two are still worse than most of his peers.
What the distance covered stats conclusively prove, though, is that - this season - he's not working anything like as hard as the players with whom he's competing for a place in the team. Which is a shite state of affairs.
SO depressing, he's a winger and he's running around the same amount as 2 of our CBs and a 35 year old, Jesus Christ.
Martial had really sucked recently he needs to get his head in the game or leave the club, looking at his body language game to game he just doesn't look bothered and we don't need lazy players at the club, the way Jose is treating him is fine and if he ends up leaving, regardless of if he goes on to be fantastic, which I know he probs it will, it will be for good few, kid just doesn't look bothered.
No one is disputing that he hasn't been as good last season and on form he really can't complain if Jose has him on the bench. It's more the attitude part that people have been banging on about when you didn't hear a peep last season. All the body language experts have been out in full force as well this season. I'd like to see a comparison from last season. It would tell us whether it's case of him not working as hard as he was last season (for whatever reason) or if it's more a case of him being pretty much the same but needing to adapt to the way Jose wants him to play. The former would be worrying while the latter a bit more understandable. Whatever it is I hope he works on it for next season.
Well we've just seen concrete evidence that he's working considerably less hard than his peers. So maybe they're onto something? Running 3km less than Lingard/Mata over 90 minutes is a big fecking deal.
Wow this place 
Martial's weakness as far as waiting for play to arrive at his feet before actually starting his engines was very evident even last season. In fact, a lot of the weaknesses that are being given more attention now were present last season.
And was this true last season well? If so, why wasn't there the same outrage last season?
What do people expect from him? To run past 3 players and score a wonder goal? Thought he done a decent job of holding up the play on the left and laying it off when that was the exact thing we needed. Few long balls he took on the chest and kept possession. He will be fine with Ibra out and Rashford through the middle he will come into his own
The last game I was able to attend he started on the left V Watford with Mikhi in the number 10 role and we were brilliant.. HE was brilliant
The last game I was able to attend he started on the left V Watford with Mikhi in the number 10 role and we were brilliant.. HE was brilliant
Probably. But it's difficult to compare LVG's requirements of an RW and Mourinho. Under LVG Martial would probably look much better this season. Still, if he would score goals it would be a lot more difficult to explain his absence.
Bit of a big fish, small pond, situation imho.
What do people expect from him? To run past 3 players and score a wonder goal? Thought he done a decent job of holding up the play on the left and laying it off when that was the exact thing we needed. Few long balls he took on the chest and kept possession. He will be fine with Ibra out and Rashford through the middle he will come into his own
The last game I was able to attend he started on the left V Watford with Mikhi in the number 10 role and we were brilliant.. HE was brilliant
I thought he was alright last night after he received an absolute roasting from Jose during the half time in extra time, certainly looked livelier. In fairness too no I don't think anyone is expecting him to always beat 3 men then smash a shot in, but I don't think it's too much to ask to get him to work harder. The stats about him running 3km less per 90 mins on average than Mata and Lingaard are shocking tbh.
That's something that you have to look at the player too, Martial always stays wide left when hes playing wide left. Lingard runs to the opposite side of the field and drifts around like Mata non stop. Sometimes it works but sometimes I find myself thinking where the feck is our right winger (lingard away wandering)
You can see that we need to up the energy, and as much as I hate stats, that's fairly damning. I mean, he can't be running round like a headless chicken, it's up to the entire team to raise the intensity, but it's no excuse for being so different to other players.
What do people expect from him? To run past 3 players and score a wonder goal? Thought he done a decent job of holding up the play on the left and laying it off when that was the exact thing we needed. Few long balls he took on the chest and kept possession. He will be fine with Ibra out and Rashford through the middle he will come into his own
The last game I was able to attend he started on the left V Watford with Mikhi in the number 10 role and we were brilliant.. HE was brilliant
I expect the left winger in this setup, regardless of who it is, to be flying around causing havoc, being creative, getting in attacking positions, generally making life hard work for the defence, almost being the main point of attack and having that drive and energy to impose themselves. Specially when we need to score goals. Flat performances doing the bare minimum to not be judged as terrible isn't what we need. I don't think we can put up with those for 3 more seasons until he reaches his supposed peak age either, nor do I think Martial would accept being a bit part until then. He needs to sort it out quickly if he wants a future here.
He may be young, but he's the sort of player that should develop early and improve quickly imo, and we're not seeing that so far.
Does it really matter ? I mean let's say for the sake of argument that he was even lazier last season, the fact that he managed to be much more decisive would make most fans not care about that aspect of the game (working for the team on and off the ball).
How can anyone say he doesn't look arsed? His expression never changes, regardless of how well he's playing
It would suggest that his real problem this season (well starting at the Euros actually) has been his form not any kind of perceived attitude issues which is less concerning than if he was just not bothered.
Maybe @GifLord can post a clip of around the 99th minute mark? (98:40-99:22) I absolutely want Martial to become a great player for us and have been on his bandwagon since his Monaco days, but what he was doing there was hard to explain or excuse. He almost was standing still for about half a minute.
Honestly I don't think it really matters. His distance covered is comparable to Hazard's (9.93 km) in January but nobody would criticise him for it because he's providing for the team.
Things like distance covered are only being discussed because Martial isn't scoring at the moment. I wouldn't expect him to do as much running as Lingard because they're very different players.
Valid points, but considering he isn't scoring or assisting as much, you'd hope for more effort when things aren't going well for him.
That's what I thought but it's a lot less likely when you see concrete evidence of him running so much less than other players in his position.
I agree that Lingard wanders a lot and so does Mata but I think that's what Jose wants them to do, whereas Martial is doing the opposite.
Under LvG every player had a rigid position and was told not to move from a very specific area of the pitch. Herrera done this, and scored, and received a bollocking from LvG. Therefore under him Martial's natural way of playing was great because he would stay wide (if playing left) or up top (if playing no. 9). However, under Mourinho I think he is trying to encourage all players to be far more relaxed and maneuverable across the front line, instead of playing a very specific are. You see Zlatan drop all over the place, Lingard and Mata move around and Rashford does this too. Martial is doing the exact same as last season but it is making him stand out as being lazy. I don't think he is lazy, just saying that is the impression he is giving by staying wide left. The stats show this, by staying in the same position he is running less, as opposed to the players who are going and getting involved and trying to affect the play.
In the second period of extra time last night, he started moving inside and running different channels, which is what I think he should be doing. I think this is exactly what Jose is trying to make him do, and he is a much better player when he is affecting the play by changing running patterns and trying different things. Fwiw, I don't think he will be sold at all, and if he can do more of what he was doing at the end last night in the next few games he will become a starting player again.
Interesting. Definitely a big improvement after that. He was dreadful in the first 15.
Yeah I don't disagree. It's all fine margins really, if his goal stood last night I'm sure this discussion wouldn't be happening right now.
I remember being in the crowd for the FA Cup semi against Everton last season and fans were berating him for not moving. Of course he went and scored the winner in added time and those same people were singing his song on the way home.
These are Jose's instructions from the start of the season. The RW cuts inside the field to leave space for Valencia to rush forward. Valencia has been our RW and RB at the same time all season while the actual RW is cutting inside to help the number 10 player and midfield. It's like when you give the wing " free roam " instruction In FIFA 17 .
Absolutely, between the two halves the difference was night and day. Certainly helped his performance so let's hope he kicks on.
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