[el3mel]

There is no simple explanation why Martial struggles. It's a combination of several factors: personal weaknesses (I wrote about them last season and was criticised by his fans) and Jose's inabilty to work with young talents (it's not like Rashford has progressed under him, not to mention Shaw).

Rashford is getting decent chances considering his age, always used as a starter or a sub. No player at 19 years old will be playing as a regular starter unless he's a freak of nature and Marcus is getting what a kid at the age of 19 should get. Regarding progression that depends on what we're you expecting to see from him to consider him "developed" . imo he's progressing steadily as any 19 years kid would and getting experience over time.

Also when Jose is giving multiple chances for Rashford like this it's strange to consider him unable to deal with youth or don't want to give them chances. Why is Rashford always in his plans ,either a starter or a sub, while Martial is struggling to see the line-up ? Can we ask ourselves this question instead of just blaming the manager anyway??

 

[roonster09]

It is clear to me that there are fans that have too much of an emotional investment to Martial which is clouding their judgement. Some fans might also have some dislike or disagreement with Mourinho so they will try to paint him as a villain. They are expecting Mourinho to change his system for a 21-year old that is not proven at the top level. Could you imagine if Martial had a meeting with Mourinho and told him he shouldn’t be expected to do the off the ball work that Rashford, Lingard, Young, Mkitharyan are expected to do…he would not get another minute on the pitch for Mourinho.

Excellent post. The first part is true for Shaw, Mkhitaryan fans too. Even when the players themselves said they had to work hard or they weren't doing all the right things, still ManUtd fans blamed Jose for not playing them or saying something in public.

 

[Ish]

It is clear to me that there are fans that have too much of an emotional investment to Martial which is clouding their judgement. Some fans might also have some dislike or disagreement with Mourinho so they will try to paint him as a villain. They are expecting Mourinho to change his system for a 21-year old that is not proven at the top level. Could you imagine if Martial had a meeting with Mourinho and told him he shouldn’t be expected to do the off the ball work that Rashford, Lingard, Young, Mkitharyan are expected to do…he would not get another minute on the pitch for Mourinho.

The emotional attachment also leads to a false analysis of Martial’s performance. They love Martial because he can make magic with the ball at his feet (this is why I love Martial as a player), so when Martial is dribbling left to right past 2 defenders then passing to Ibra for a goal or doing his signature curled shot into the top corner from the corner of the box they think he has had a good game. What they do not see is that the defence is playing a high line so they are susceptible to a player running the channels, or, when Pogba is moving the ball towards the goal Martial hugging the left side leaves us exposed to a counter attack from the left.

Mourinho is willing to allow players similar to Martial to play in his team if they follow his instructions and believe in his tactics. Martial is not a lazy player; he simply puts his energy onto a different part of the game than what Mourinho wants. It seems to me that Mourinho is playing Martial against specific teams because his attributes are best suited to the set-ups of those teams but hesitates to play him in bigger games because he doesn’t give the team a good structure. This seems to also be why Shaw is struggling; he struggles to follow Mourinho’s instructions. It doesnt mean they are bad players or that Mourinho doesnt like them as people; it means that their natural game does not suit the manager’s needs whereas a player like Rashford does suit the manager’s needs (hence why Rashford has played so much). If a player follows Mourinho's instruction he will be rewarded eg. Fellaini, Lingard, Rashford, Herrera.

I find it very strange that some fans expect the Manager to change his system; especially when the system is proven. What is the point in getting a manager if you are demanding the manager to change the principals and rules that made him successful?

This is a good post, as much as I'm probably one of those "emotionally" invested into Martial.

 

[whn]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

 

[el3mel]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

Here comes the hard question , what did Chelsea lose by selling KDB and Lukaku any way ?? They already walked a league title easily and now re-walking the league again twice in 3 years with the same team core and you're talking about him not building for the club future All this while Kevin is still struggling to win anything significant with City .

Was this your opinion on SAF when he let Pogba leave and decided to return Scholes from retirement for one and half year instead of buying a new young midfield or giving Pogba a chance ? Did you forget when he played Rafael and Park ahead of Pogba against Blackburn ? Was he considered by you a short sighted and not a top manager then ??

 

[BennyBlanco]

Has he not been average/poor when playing for France too? If that is the case one may assume it's more down to his own physical/mental issues this season than anything Mourinho should be blamed for, for Martial's lack of form all season.

 

[JPRouve]

What puzzles me is that LVG would have been more strict and quite detailed in how he wants someone to play, and Martial didn't seem to have a problem giving LVG what he wanted, yet with Jose it's been one long struggle. Maybe a clash of personalities, sadly...

Mourinho is more laid back from what I understand. At Monaco, Jardim and LVG are reportedly more intense, they are more the nagging type which can help players but also tire them. It's great for young players though because they don't let them figure things out alone, they are on their backs 24/7.

 

[Toad]

I'm still a bit confused as to what Mourinho was trying to say

"He has to show me things that I like"

"He has to come in my direction"

Sounds like the intro to a porno

 

[togg]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

Every manager makes wrong decisions.....yes even the Ferguson. Feck...even I make wrong decisions.....!

 

[RedPed]

Not sounding promising for Tony Martial! He was never the same after his domestic problems. Such a shame. A first season Martial would have been awesome in the current campaign. We would definitely be pushing for the title.

 

[Lj82]

It is clear to me that there are fans that have too much of an emotional investment to Martial which is clouding their judgement. Some fans might also have some dislike or disagreement with Mourinho so they will try to paint him as a villain. They are expecting Mourinho to change his system for a 21-year old that is not proven at the top level. Could you imagine if Martial had a meeting with Mourinho and told him he shouldn’t be expected to do the off the ball work that Rashford, Lingard, Young, Mkitharyan are expected to do…he would not get another minute on the pitch for Mourinho.

The emotional attachment also leads to a false analysis of Martial’s performance. They love Martial because he can make magic with the ball at his feet (this is why I love Martial as a player), so when Martial is dribbling left to right past 2 defenders then passing to Ibra for a goal or doing his signature curled shot into the top corner from the corner of the box they think he has had a good game. What they do not see is that the defence is playing a high line so they are susceptible to a player running the channels, or, when Pogba is moving the ball towards the goal Martial hugging the left side leaves us exposed to a counter attack from the left.

Mourinho is willing to allow players similar to Martial to play in his team if they follow his instructions and believe in his tactics. Martial is not a lazy player; he simply puts his energy onto a different part of the game than what Mourinho wants. It seems to me that Mourinho is playing Martial against specific teams because his attributes are best suited to the set-ups of those teams but hesitates to play him in bigger games because he doesn’t give the team a good structure. This seems to also be why Shaw is struggling; he struggles to follow Mourinho’s instructions. It doesnt mean they are bad players or that Mourinho doesnt like them as people; it means that their natural game does not suit the manager’s needs whereas a player like Rashford does suit the manager’s needs (hence why Rashford has played so much). If a player follows Mourinho's instruction he will be rewarded eg. Fellaini, Lingard, Rashford, Herrera.

I find it very strange that some fans expect the Manager to change his system; especially when the system is proven. What is the point in getting a manager if you are demanding the manager to change the principals and rules that made him successful?

Very elegantly put.
It is true that many fans have an emotional investment in Martial, myself included.
To me, Martial is one of the best talent of his age group and we have on our hands a player who has the potential to be the best player in the league.
Therefore it is very painful to see that he did not kick on from his excellent debut season last year, and the nagging worry that he might waste his talent away or that he might leave the club and fulfill his talent elsewhere. I really really want him to succeed at United.

However, when looking at the bigger picture, my biggest desire is for the club to return to the right tract and rise back to the top of English football. In Jose we have a manager that looks the most likely of all candidate to bring us back up. I have no problems with how Jose is handling the players now. I know a lot of people don't like the public criticisms that Jose sometimes dish out, but I have no problem with it as long as the team atmosphere remain harmonious. Over the last three years I have developed a deep disdain for player power and I am hoping Jose makes sure that the team is not run by the players. In that regard, Jose needs to have absolute authority in deciding how to deal with the players.

The way I read Jose's comments, he has not given up on Martial. He is challenging Martial, and now it is up to Martial to rise to the challenge. If he doesn't, well, sad to say then he won't be suitable for the club. Sacrifices needed to be made for this club to rise up to the top again, and while Martial leaving would be a particularly painful one, if he needs to go he needs to go. I still have hope that he will rise to the challenge though.

 

[Vault Dweller]

It is clear to me that there are fans that have too much of an emotional investment to Martial which is clouding their judgement. Some fans might also have some dislike or disagreement with Mourinho so they will try to paint him as a villain. They are expecting Mourinho to change his system for a 21-year old that is not proven at the top level. Could you imagine if Martial had a meeting with Mourinho and told him he shouldn’t be expected to do the off the ball work that Rashford, Lingard, Young, Mkitharyan are expected to do…he would not get another minute on the pitch for Mourinho.

The emotional attachment also leads to a false analysis of Martial’s performance. They love Martial because he can make magic with the ball at his feet (this is why I love Martial as a player), so when Martial is dribbling left to right past 2 defenders then passing to Ibra for a goal or doing his signature curled shot into the top corner from the corner of the box they think he has had a good game. What they do not see is that the defence is playing a high line so they are susceptible to a player running the channels, or, when Pogba is moving the ball towards the goal Martial hugging the left side leaves us exposed to a counter attack from the left.

Mourinho is willing to allow players similar to Martial to play in his team if they follow his instructions and believe in his tactics. Martial is not a lazy player; he simply puts his energy onto a different part of the game than what Mourinho wants. It seems to me that Mourinho is playing Martial against specific teams because his attributes are best suited to the set-ups of those teams but hesitates to play him in bigger games because he doesn’t give the team a good structure. This seems to also be why Shaw is struggling; he struggles to follow Mourinho’s instructions. It doesnt mean they are bad players or that Mourinho doesnt like them as people; it means that their natural game does not suit the manager’s needs whereas a player like Rashford does suit the manager’s needs (hence why Rashford has played so much). If a player follows Mourinho's instruction he will be rewarded eg. Fellaini, Lingard, Rashford, Herrera.

I find it very strange that some fans expect the Manager to change his system; especially when the system is proven. What is the point in getting a manager if you are demanding the manager to change the principals and rules that made him successful?

Good post, thumbs up.

 

[LoveFootball]

This thread is amazing! Seeing some people expecting loyality from players just make laugh!
But we're a rich club, if we lose Martial and he goes to become a super star in another club, then we can still buy him back for a record fee! This is our way.
Some people have no patience anymore for young players!

 

[Alexrad]

Infuriating thing is that Martial showed he can play the way Mourinho expects from him even this season. That game against Boro at home where we turned it around with two late goals, he played exactly like Jose wants him to. He was electric and by far the best player on the pitch. He was wrecking havoc down the left, cutting both inside and outside, he tracked players and recovered balls. His goal came of his run behind defenders to the right wing and Ibra knocking a header into space for him. He has shwon in that game that he has capability to break the teams that park the bus almost on his own.

We know he can play like that and when he plays like that he can be the best player on the team and that says something. I hope we get that from him cause it would instantly elevate us to one level above even without anything else changing.

 

[redflair]

People need to stop with that nonsense, there is a lot more than that in football. Mourinho's problems could be with how Martial plays in attack.

It was a mildly humourous comment. No nonsense intended.

 

[XdanielredX]

What happened... it was the fairy tale that was meant to be

 

[roonster09]

What happened... it was the fairy tale that was meant to be

What happened? Young player having a blip in his second season and still very much in manager's plans.

 

[Vault Dweller]

What happened... it was the fairy tale that was meant to be

God I loved that so hope he turns it around.

 

[RedPnutz]

A manager 100% should change his system if he has talented players. The same thing happened with Costa and Hazard last season, they were made to feel inadequate and their form went to shit. Martial has already proven himself for us so it is such a shame to see an enormous talent not getting the game time his potential deserves.

For 1 talented player? How about the other talented players? Or do we only have one talented player in the whole squad. What happens if there are to differently talented players or more?

 

[JPRouve]

What happened... it was the fairy tale that was meant to be

Don't you worry too much, it's not over. Bernardo Silva is everyone's darling today but he wasn't great last year despite his performances the season before. The same thing could happen with Martial.

 

[Escobar]

What happened? Young player having a blip in his second season and still very much in manager's plans.

Nooo, it must be the fact that he no longer wears the no 9 shirt!

 

[RedPnutz]

This has been discussed over and over again and it's getting tiresome tbh.

End point is that Mourinho is hard man to please, he asks for magnificent performance just from Martial and when he performs, he get's dropped.

Real hard to take anything he says with blind faith especially after BFS fiasco.

Let's put this discussion to rest.

People seem to confuse looking good (in terms of looking good and cool when dribbling) and playing good. By playing good I mean that playing according to the metrics and objective the manager has set.

Fans might think he is playing well but the manager might think he is not playing to the system. Every manager does this. Every manager has a system they want the players to fit into. Martial is a fantastic player but hardly enough to force the system to be molded around him. LVG has his rules and a player like Di Maria didn't seem to fit. SAF had a system but a brilliant player like Verón didn't fit.

When Ronaldo was with us, much leeway was given to him by SAF because Ronaldo was simply brilliant enough such that the team benefit from letting him play his way. Such that even our supposed wonderkid Rooney a bit of a second fiddle.

Maybe there is a system where Martial's potential can be realised fullest. But maybe that's not a system Mourinho wants. Maybe that's a system that compromises the other talents we have.

 

[royboy16]

It is clear to me that there are fans that have too much of an emotional investment to Martial which is clouding their judgement. Some fans might also have some dislike or disagreement with Mourinho so they will try to paint him as a villain. They are expecting Mourinho to change his system for a 21-year old that is not proven at the top level. Could you imagine if Martial had a meeting with Mourinho and told him he shouldn’t be expected to do the off the ball work that Rashford, Lingard, Young, Mkitharyan are expected to do…he would not get another minute on the pitch for Mourinho.

The emotional attachment also leads to a false analysis of Martial’s performance. They love Martial because he can make magic with the ball at his feet (this is why I love Martial as a player), so when Martial is dribbling left to right past 2 defenders then passing to Ibra for a goal or doing his signature curled shot into the top corner from the corner of the box they think he has had a good game. What they do not see is that the defence is playing a high line so they are susceptible to a player running the channels, or, when Pogba is moving the ball towards the goal Martial hugging the left side leaves us exposed to a counter attack from the left.

Mourinho is willing to allow players similar to Martial to play in his team if they follow his instructions and believe in his tactics. Martial is not a lazy player; he simply puts his energy onto a different part of the game than what Mourinho wants. It seems to me that Mourinho is playing Martial against specific teams because his attributes are best suited to the set-ups of those teams but hesitates to play him in bigger games because he doesn’t give the team a good structure. This seems to also be why Shaw is struggling; he struggles to follow Mourinho’s instructions. It doesnt mean they are bad players or that Mourinho doesnt like them as people; it means that their natural game does not suit the manager’s needs whereas a player like Rashford does suit the manager’s needs (hence why Rashford has played so much). If a player follows Mourinho's instruction he will be rewarded eg. Fellaini, Lingard, Rashford, Herrera.

I find it very strange that some fans expect the Manager to change his system; especially when the system is proven. What is the point in getting a manager if you are demanding the manager to change the principals and rules that made him successful?

Magnifique !

 

[Kostur]

What happened? Young player having a blip in his second season and still very much in manager's plans.

It's like everybody wants to forget that such thing indeed exists.

 

[RedPnutz]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

I don't think that people believe Mourinho is faultless. In fact on this forum I think a lot of our own fans are critical of stuff Mourinho does.

But it is a straightforward situation. Maybe Mourinho is poor at managing talents, I don't think so since he has managed players like Ronaldo, Benzema, Drogba etc. But even if it is true so what?

Despite being shit at managing talents he is still one of the managers in modern times with a very good record of winning trophies. That implies he has a system that works and demands a certain type of style and commitment from his players. I like Martial and I think he's got the tools to be one of the best players. But if the player doesn't adapt then so be it. It is a pity but there is more than one way to win. Verón was a fantastic player but ultimately not one for us. We still won stuff.

 

[Cloud7]

Man I wish somehow the forum could somehow filter out any post that contained any combination of the words Mourinho, De Bruyne and Lukakku in it .

This story has been debunked and beaten into the ground from every possible angle, right from Lukakku being the one asking to leave all the way up to Chelsea accomplishing much better things without them than with them and De Bruyne really not driving his team to any success, yet it still gets repeated so much, it's becoming nauseating.

 

[STaphouse]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

Fergie got rid of Pogba, who looks on a trajectory to become the best CM in the world at some point. That eclipses KDB and Lukaku.

Your post is aboslute shite.

 

[SirAF]

Fergie got rid of Pogba, who looks on a trajectory to become the best CM in the world at some point. That eclipses KDB and Lukaku.

Your post is aboslute shite.

To be fair, Ferguson didn't get rid of Pogba - he offered him a new contract. Pogba wanted to be guaranteed first team football though, so he fecked off to Juventus.

However I do agree that the post you quoted was shite

 

[el3mel]

To be fair, Ferguson didn't get rid of Pogba - he offered him a new contract. Pogba wanted to be guaranteed first team football though, so he fecked off to Juventus.

However I do agree that the post you quoted was shite

When you play Park and Rafael ahead of Pogba you are clearly sending a message to the player that he has no chance.

Another thing for me it's just not Pogba. If he had bought a young midfielder instead of returning Scholes from retirement maybe we wouldn't have entered a dilemma about our midfield aftet the later retired again. I know Scholes returning was a fairy tale but instead of getting a new midfielder or giving Pogba a chance ?

It shows SAF some times thinks about the present more than the future like any manager really.

 

[Adisa]

What happened... it was the fairy tale that was meant to be

He's 21 and going through a rough patch.

 

[STaphouse]

To be fair, Ferguson didn't get rid of Pogba - he offered him a new contract. Pogba wanted to be guaranteed first team football though, so he fecked off to Juventus.

However I do agree that the post you quoted was shite

To be fair, I wasn't using that as a dig at Fergie. It was more a "Every manager has misjudged talent" type of scenario.
For him to say Mourinho is especially bad at this is stupid.

Genuinely just thinks he just wants Martial to work harder, he won't be sold imo.

 

[Adisa]

When you play Park and Rafael ahead of Pogba you are clearly sending a message to the player that he has no chance.

Another thing for me it's just not Pogba. If he had bought a young midfielder instead of returning Scholes from retirement maybe we wouldn't have entered a dilemma about our midfield aftet the later retired again. I know Scholes returning was a fairy tale but instead of getting a new midfielder or giving Pogba a chance ?

It shows SAF some times thinks about the present more than the future like any manager really.

I died a little when the teamsheet came out that day.

 

[el3mel]

I died a little when the teamsheet came out that day.

Who didn't ?

 

[Santoryo]

Fergie got rid of Pogba, who looks on a trajectory to become the best CM in the world at some point. That eclipses KDB and Lukaku.

Your post is aboslute shite.

How long are people gonna keep spouting these obvious lies. Saf never got rid of Pogba, he was offered a new contract for feck sakes, which he obviously rejected and sought more playing time elsewhere.

This has become irksome with it being repeated over and over as if that'd make it true.

 

[SirAF]

To be fair, I wasn't using that as a dig at Fergie. It was more a "Every manager has misjudged talent" type of scenario.
For him to say Mourinho is especially bad at this is stupid.

Genuinely just thinks he just wants Martial to work harder, he won't be sold imo.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[whn]

Fergie got rid of Pogba, who looks on a trajectory to become the best CM in the world at some point. That eclipses KDB and Lukaku.

Your post is aboslute shite.

Though Fergie did never got rid of Pogba. But you have a point. Even Fergie make mistakes, but some people here worship Mourinho like god, suppose that when he and Martial conflict, it's 100% Martial's fault, despite Mourinho's horrible track record with outstanding young stars . This kind of worship made me laugh.

 

[dirkey]

Though Fergie did never got rid of Pogba. But you have a point. Even Fergie make mistakes, but some people here worship Mourinho like god, suppose that when he and Martial conflict, it's 100% Martial's fault, despite Mourinho's horrible track record with outstanding young stars . This kind of worship made me laugh.

I think there are people who are in the wrong in both camps though. There are people who are 100% in the Martial camp, and assume it's Jose's problem. In truth it's probably in between. Jose could try something other than tough love, and Martial could man up.

At the end of the day though, Jose's track record deserves more of a benefit of the doubt than Martial's. Jose is a proven winner, for the last 15 years. Martial has 1 decent season under his belt.

 

[sunama]

Based on your words I seriously doubt you were watching UTD in previous years.

First of all LVG signed him in the summer of 2015, and he was playing him pretty regularly with BFS playing rather well until he got injured, than got suspended by FA for that incident I can't remember against whom it was.

Secondly he only had 1 season under LVG and not 2.

I don't like to discuss Bastian, in a Martial thread, but Bastian was bang average at MUFC. I think he had about 1 good game for us. This was the game he scored a goal for us.
I will put it another way. Anderson (the fat guy who needed an oxygen tank to play football), had more good games for us, than Bastian.
LVG even stated that he expected more from Bastian. This comment was made after he had that one good game for us.
Soon after that he got injured and decided that rather than play for MUFC, he'd follow his wife on tour and focus on playing for Germany, in the Summer (which he did).
Upon Jose's arrival, he immediately ostracised Bastian for being crap. He did everything he could to chase Bastian out of MUFC and he finally achieved this a month or so ago.

This love for Bastian, which some MUFC fans have, is bizarre. Fellaini, who has had multiple good games for us, gets booed, while Bastian who had one good game for us, is heralded as some hero.

 

[AdNani]

I don't like to discuss Bastian, in a Martial thread, but Bastian was bang average at MUFC. I think he had about 1 good game for us. This was the game he scored a goal for us.
I will put it another way. Anderson (the fat guy who needed an oxygen tank to play football), had more good games for us, than Bastian.
LVG even stated that he expected more from Bastian. This comment was made after he had that one good game for us.
Soon after that he got injured and decided that rather than play for MUFC, he'd follow his wife on tour and focus on playing for Germany, in the Summer (which he did).
Upon Jose's arrival, he immediately ostracised Bastian for being crap. He did everything he could to chase Bastian out of MUFC and he finally achieved this a month or so ago.

This love for Bastian, which some MUFC fans have, is bizarre. Fellaini, who has had multiple good games for us, gets booed, while Bastian who had one good game for us, is heralded as some hero.

He actually played very well in the 3-1 game with Liverpool where martial scored, but agreed, he was clearly finished at the top level which was why Bayern got rid,

On martial he's clearly just going through a spell which most, if not all young players go through, he'll come good,

 

[sunama]

It is funny many ppl here suppose that Mourinho is faultless, wont make any wrong decision. In fact he always got it wrong with outstanding young-ish player. Lukaku, KdB, Hazard, Martial is the leastest victim. Thats also why Mourinho will never be a top Manager like Ferguson, because he never get it to build for a club's future. Win something here or not, expect him to be fired within 4 years at max. Sad he wasted a talent in Martial.

You do realise that Jose is already a top manager?
He is one of the most decorated managers of the modern era.
Currently, the big 3 are: Ancelotti, Gaurdiola and Jose. This is Tier1 and all other managers are in Tier2 or below.