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2016-17 Performances


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5.9 Season Average Rating
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42
Goals
8
Assists
8
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I support Jose but his harsh treatment of martial has cost us points and maybe even top 4.
 
Doesn't look happy in that hug at all, Mourinho's clearly forced him into it to make Custis look stupid.
I thought he looked happy when I watched it. Oh well, typical of Martial's expression through.
 
Delighted for the lad. Unequivocally done enough to stay in the team. And won Jose's approval. So exciting to watch him every time he runs with the ball.
 
Great game, constantly troubled defenders with his dribbling. Goal and assist says it all though his decision making hasn't been great at times. Apart from the assist from Ibra, they don't seem to gel that great together.
 
I support Jose but his harsh treatment of martial has cost us points and maybe even top 4.

Or it might toughen him up and serves him, and by extension, us, well in the future.

Jose is a bit of an old fashioned guy whe it comes to shaping players' mentality but looking at how the career of his former first team players panned out it's hard to say he doesn't know what he's doing.
 
If people have to assume then they know nothing, just be patient and be happy that we have such a good player.
 
That's the Martial we need to finish in the top 4. We don't see that often enough from him in the league.

Anything less and he might as well be on the bench.
 
The main difference I saw today was better running off the ball, he was superb with a goal and assist and a cuddle off Jose, all is well in the world again!

Agree. He put in a shift today, that's hopefully what Jose wanted. I think he needs to be consistently performing and not fall into the trap of being a one trip pony. You saw how today he tried different ways of testing the Watford RB.
 
Think people are getting a bit hung up on what they're assuming to be something perhaps a bit personal between them. It's quite feasible that Jose thinks the world of Martial and was pissed off that he wasn't tearing it up as he thinks he should be - and the player himself may have accepted that, all the noise is from his agent, not the player. Trust the manager, and also, trust the player.

Think this is a good possibility. The comments about Martial needing to do better to nail down a spot could also be interpreted as Mourinho expecting more than just the bare minimum, because he has great expectations for him, just as easily as Mourinho having some sort of personal beef with the kid.
 
That's the Martial we need to finish in the top 4. We don't see that often enough from him in the league.

Anything less and he might as well be on the bench.

Right so, a goal and assist each game or he get's dropped. Sounds fair
 
People make mistakes. Even Jose is fallible.
He's just come from a year where he made a series of mistakes that massacred a title defending club and where players like Hazard and Costa looked about ten times better playing for another manager and five times more motivated and intense when they came up against Mourinho. He must have really hit it off with these key players with his psycho mind games.
I remember Ronaldo celebrating his freekick goal for Madrid in a friendly against Chelsea taunting Mourinho...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...se-Mourinho-Real-Madrid-beat-Chelsea-3-1.html
seems like he's irked quite alot of big players...

We're rightly worried about his treatment of our best talents and he has it all to prove that that Chelsea season wasn't a one off.
 
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What annoying about the Martial situation is how fans retcon his performances based on if he's picked by the manager. He's has had a very good 2 months (since end December) and contributed in almost all the games he's played in that time yet this get overlooked and forgotten whenever he's dropped.

Some people in this thread are acting as if Martial has only shown some good form today when that has been the case since the Boro game for the most part whenever he's played.

People praise him after a good game then he get dropped for a few and people suddenly change their tone and revisionism about his past performances ensue.

I can guaranty that if Martial gets dropped for the next couple of games and people question Mourinho's decision, the mass will quickly forget about this performance and act as if he's not grabbing his chances.

And in his past 8 games he's been involved in 8 goals, that's simply a player in form but that get overlooked in favor of basing his performances on the basis of him being dropped or not.
 
Think this is a good possibility. The comments about Martial needing to do better to nail down a spot could also be interpreted as Mourinho expecting more than just the bare minimum, because he has great expectations for him, just as easily as Mourinho having some sort of personal beef with the kid.

Quite possibly. I think Jose invited speculation by suggesting he was dropped due to his performance level at a time when he was playing better than the other players in his position. People couldn't reconcile the two so they started looking for other reasons. Hence the many theories.

Personally I don't rule out the idea that he was doing it to punish him for his agent's recent comments. One thing I do know is that it wasn't down to other players being a better option for the team. I think it's time that idea got dismissed. He's on 9 goals/assists in his last 8 starts.
 
Very little. That's not to say Martial has been good. He clearly hasn't been for a lot of the season. The manager clearly knows what he's capable of and hopefully he's given him the boot up the hole he clearly needed.
Martial has been good in the past 7 games prior to this one and contributed the most out of all attacking players when played(involved in 6 goals in 7 games, goal/assist) yet was still being dropped.

He's been good for 2 months now, this wasn't his first good performance.
 
What annoying about the Martial situation is how fans retcon his performances based on if he's picked by the manager. He's has had a very good 2 months (since end December) and contributed in almost all the games he's played in that time yet this get overlooked and forgotten whenever he's dropped.

Some people in this thread are acting as if Martial has only shown some good form today when that has been the case since the Boro game for the most part whenever he's played.

People praise him after a good game then he get dropped for a few and people suddenly change their tone and revisionism about his past performances ensue.

I can guaranty that if Martial gets dropped for the next couple of games and people question Mourinho's decision, the mass will quickly forget about this performance and act as if he's not grabbing his chances.

And in his past 8 games he's been involved in 8 goals, that's simply a player in form but that get overlooked in favor of basing his performances on the basis of him being dropped or not.

9 in his last 8 starts :) Good post though, well said.
 
He's just come from a year where he made a series of mistakes that massacred a title defending club and where players like Hazard and Costa looked about ten times better playing for another manager and five times more motivated and intense when they came up against Mourinho. He must have really hit it off with these key players with his psycho mind games.
I remember Ronaldo celebrating his freekick goal for Madrid in a friendly against Chelsea taunting Mourinho... seems like he's irked quite alot of big players...

We're rightly worried about his treatment of our best talents and he has it all to prove that that Chelsea season wasn't a one off.

Well yes. He has had plenty of problems and man management issues over the years. It will at least be part of the discussion.
 
What annoying about the Martial situation is how fans retcon his performances based on if he's picked by the manager. He's has had a very good 2 months (since end December) and contributed in almost all the games he's played in that time yet this get overlooked and forgotten whenever he's dropped.

Some people in this thread are acting as if Martial has only shown some good form today when that has been the case since the Boro game for the most part whenever he's played.

People praise him after a good game then he get dropped for a few and people suddenly change their tone and revisionism about his past performances ensue.

I can guaranty that if Martial gets dropped for the next couple of games and people question Mourinho's decision, the mass will quickly forget about this performance and act as if he's not grabbing his chances.


And in his past 8 games he's been involved in 8 goals, that's simply a player in form but that get overlooked in favor of basing his performances on the basis of him being dropped or not.

So true. It's all about protecting the narratve
 
Very good performance from him again. Hope Mourinho allows him a consistent run of games.
 
Hes our best player on the left because he uses his left foot and has pace. But thats not the only reason, because hes actually good there.
Love watching him drive at the opposition. Also great that he got a goal. Cool as ice in front of goal.

Imagine if hes benched our next league game :lol:
 
Absolutely fantastic today from the off. We got the ball to him and time after time he caused danger. I'm hoping he'll now be able to build from this performance.
 
Quite possibly. I think Jose invited speculation by suggesting he was dropped due to his performance level at a time when he was playing better than the other players in his position. People couldn't reconcile the two so they started looking for other reasons. Hence the many theories.

Personally I don't rule out the idea that he was doing it to punish him for his agent's recent comments. One thing I do know is that it wasn't down to other players being a better option for the team. I think it's time that idea got dismissed. He's on 9 goals/assists in his last 8 starts.

Yeah, obviously just a theory. I do hope Martial kicks it up a notch, because I believe he is capable of it. Now is the time for consistent game time though, so he might get the chance to show it:)
 
Great performance from martial today. That's the martial we all remember from last season.
 
Yeah, obviously just a theory. I do hope Martial kicks it up a notch, because I believe he is capable of it. Now is the time for consistent game time though, so he might get the chance to show it:)

100% agree. We need to be at our best for the next couple of months and Martial is one of our best players.

Really hope things settle down. I see him as someone who could potentially score 20 a season and assist just as much. That's a huge asset. It's been really weird to see people on here suggesting they wouldn't be bothered if he left. Players like that are like gold dust.
 
100% agree. We need to be at our best for the next couple of months and Martial is one of our best players.

Really hope things settle down. I see him as someone who could potentially score 20 a season and assist just as much. That's a huge asset. It's been really weird to see people on here suggesting they wouldn't be bothered if he left. Players like that are like gold dust.

Yeah, same here. I have so high hopes for this guy. Just love the way he goes past defenders, inside or outside.
 
Nothing's changed, the boy has always has this sullen expression about him. Meant nothing before, means nothing now.

But that's ignoring how useful for people who want to suggest he has a bad attitude.
 
Right so, a goal and assist each game or he get's dropped. Sounds fair
I was talking about performance level.

He's only produced 2 maybe 3 impressive performances in the league this season. We can't afford to be carrying players who blow hot and cold. You either show up and perform or your on the bench. Especially in the wide areas where we five players fighting for two spots. Six players if include Young, seven if you include Memphis before he left.
 
Yes, because to presume this isn't the case is to suggest Mourinho doesn't know how to manage his players.

So Martial must be training poorly because Mourinho can't possibly be making a mistake.

I'd say that's mightily harsh on the player.
 
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