Really? More credit to Mourinho then. He really has read the situation well.
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Really? More credit to Mourinho then. He really has read the situation well.
Yeah I also don't like that use of words. Player get on the pitch based on good performances and should deserve so, not because of some gift or pity.
Martial himself didn't need any gift to get on that pitch, he deserved to be playing a lot more football than he's had so far.
And he'd go back to averaging 2 goals and 2 assists in the league for the second half of the season too.
We'll rack up far more points with Martial playing at today's level, or close to it, then we would have at the levels some on here deem acceptable.
Not in the league
Exactly, how much sense does it make to weaken your own team deliberately.
Hasn't been picked
Liverpool
I don't follow. We could have done with him in the team when we were dropping points.
Yeah he would have definitely solved everything and won us every game. I fully agree.
Bit weird dropping him for the last two weeks if he's performed well in training for that period. Past two weeks were after the Wigan game which he had two assists in and was left as an unused sub against both Hull and Leicester.
Could have helped though surely. He's on a good run of goals and assists. You don't think he would have been a better option against David Meyler? Why are you trying to create a straw man here?
Because he wasn't being played in it at all.
Played a brilliant game against Boro then and okayish one against Pool where everyone was mostly poor for the most part and never got picked after.
He got played in cups and delivered yet was still mia in the league.
Exactly. Don't really get some people logics.I don't follow. We could have done with him in the team when we were dropping points.
You really shouldn't come in here and spout that sensible and well rounded opinion in here.
Take it elsewhere!He was no worse than anyone else that day. The whole team were crap. Why single one player out?
The same game where everyone was quite poor? What about the Boro game.
In between the Boro game till today everyone else have had chances to have poor and good games and kept on being played while the same wasn't afforded to Martial.
Because as Raoul said, I don't see Mourinho cutting his nose off to spite his face. He's been trying to sort Martial out so we get 100% for the rest of the season rather than settling for 80%.
His form up and till then wasn't great. Hes playing himself into form now though, but good showings vs Reading & Wigan etc
Liverpool was after Boro
3 goals and 3 assists in his last 5 starts now isn't it? People can deride it for the quality of opposition but end product is what we've lacked this season and Martial does have it.
Yourself and Raoul have framed this conversation in such a way that you can't be wrong.
You've decided there are only two options. Either Martial is not training properly or Mourinho is deliberately sabotaging his own team. Of course given those two options you'd have to choose the first one.
The reality is that there are other possible reasons for Martial not featuring as much as he could have.
Numbers are showing that Martial has been our most productive player since the turn of the year whenever played(contributed 9 goals/assists in his last 8) yet some people want us believing he wouldn't have helped us in those games we were lacking that end product which he's been delivering constantly as of late.
Talk about denial.
Talk about denial.
He does, but hes also lacked it himself, good that hes coming into form now though
And how exactly did Mourinho give him confidence by not showing faith in him over last few months? You are not making any sense, it would be better if you stop agreeing with everything Mourinho says and instead start having your own opinion on things.
Good post.
Read Mourinho's quotes in the article on the previous page. Its basically laid out for you on a platter.
You need to look beyond a single game against Wigan or Hull and see the bigger picture. Mourinho clearly saw something that needed addressing and did just that. Martial's tweet followed by his inclusion today shows that Mourinho feels he had achieved his goal and hopefully we benefit going forward.
I don't see any value in embellishing a young player who isn't putting their all in. Fergie certainly didn't achieve what he did by letting young players do as they please.
- Martial has been involved in more Premier League goals for United than any other player since his debut (22 - 14 goals, 8 assists).
My point is that the Liverpool game was the only one in between the Boro game till today where he had an underwhelming performance while having good games in general.
The guys coming in for him have had multiple poor games in that time period, not just the Liverpool game yet still got to play quite regularly.
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Maybe by making him work even harder to earn his place.
Stats are useless, didn't you hear? You should be going by people's anecdotal evidence, recalled from their poor memories, and filtered through their biased and preconceived judgements.
I already did. Couldn't find the part where he says the reason he wasn't starting Martial was because he wasn't scoring enough goals in the PL, which was your main argument.
I'm looking beyond one game which is why I have numbers saying 9 goals/assists in his last 8.
No matter how people want to paint it, Martial has been good for several games, not just today. These talks about him not having done enough to get playing time lately are deliberate myths spread around as strawman like arguments.
Fine. As I've said I welcome the fact that we have some idea of what's been going on.
Up to now you've been grasping onto any reason you can find to justify Jose's dropping of Martial. I've been trying to figure it all out based on what I've seen on the pitch (and struggling).
Now that Jose has said it was down to his effort in training can we stop this pretending he's been playing crap nonsense? He's been good since late December. You just need eyes and an unbiased perspective to see that.
There's more to it than we're being told, they've sorted something out behind the scenes between them, they've both made that pretty clear with the public hug, tapping the badge, praise in the media etc. Glad they've moved on from whatever was going on and hopefully we can see more of this Martial from now on.
Can't believe there were some weirdos on here who thought Mourinho dropped Martial simply because he didn't like him. Mourinho expects certain things from his players, hard work, mental strength, and dedication being three of them. If a player is dropped it's because that player isn't doing enough to be picked. Trust the manager ffs, he knows what he's doing.
Did I disagree? Read the post you quoted. His form hasn't been great till this year for me. He was playing crap there isn't any pretending about it.
I've not said he's not played well. That never been my point, I've said for a while that his average is Lingard's best but that's not a reason to play him over Lingard. In a cup final, sure, but the lad needs motivating to reach the heights we expect and he won't get there by playing every week regardless. That's how complacency set in with Rooney. He needed a fire lighting underneath him, Mou has done that and we will see net gains by the end of the season greater than if he had just played him in every game regardless.
See above.
You can't decouple his lack of confidence with his lack of goals. Mourinho recognized that and prioritized a training regime to rehabilitate his confidence and bring him back to his best. While random people here were moaning that Martial wasn't in the lineup and screwed up their points in lineup prediction game, Mourinho was busy taking a longer view to get him back to his best so he can remain there for a protracted period. That is precisely what should be expected of a world class manager.
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