He wasn't asked and I'm glad he wasn't asked. I might not have liked his answer.
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I don't want any more id gladly give him a run but Mourinho obviously wants more.
Well lucky for him he doesn't answer to you then eh?
Payet? De Gea (bar a fax machine), Ronaldo, Robin Van Persie, just to name the random few off the top of my head.
So players get sold when they apply pressure, again doesn't mean contracts are meaningless. Fax machine or not, if De Gea's contract was meaningless he would be playing for Madrid right now.
Come on, do you actually believe he isn't capable of coming on for 30 minutes and seeing out a match when we're up 3-0? And that Young is, in that case?
I mean if that's true, he shouldn't even be on the bench.
All the players I mentioned were under contract and their managers didn't want to sell them, yet all bar De Gea were sold. My point again being if a player wants to go, more often than not they will go. Can't even believe you are debating that..
The most baffling thing for me is how Jose treats Rashford.
Its clearly not a Jose not playing a youngester thing but him just not liking whatever Martial does. Rashford is not playing any better.
Its clearly not a Jose not playing a youngester thing but him just not liking whatever Martial does. Rashford is not playing any better.
Maybe he's got a better attitude? Maybe he does what the manager says instead of mewling to his agent
You are in a better position than Mourinho to decide who 'deserves' to play now? Neither you or anyone else on here could possibly know what is influencing the gaffers decision making. I think I'll trust our manager to make the decisions for our club ta very much.
All the players I mentioned were under contract and their managers didn't want to sell them, yet all bar De Gea were sold. My point again being if a player wants to go, more often than not they will go. Can't even believe you are debating that..
I'm not debating that as players generally do get the move they want. I'm debating the idea that contracts are meaningless and all you did was highlight examples of players leaving their clubs.
My point again was if Martial wanted to leave and go only to Arsenal we can stand in his way and refuse because he has a contract, which is not meaningless even if Payet left West Ham to join Marseille.
You would have to assume so.
He has been through a struggle and he has responded well. He hasn't been a world beater but hardly anybody has been. In the last few games Martial has been in, he's clearly been making an effort to work harder and be more active off the ball. It's time to reward the kid rather than continue to bench him.
Mkhitaryan is literal proof of this very thing, I'm not speculating any more than you are. Read Mourinho's quotes and observe the fact Martial isn't being picked and there are two conclusions you can draw. One, that Mourinho doesn't fancy Martial which is rubbish because he did the same thing on Mkhitaryan who is playing and he plays Mata very often even though he dropped him at Chelsea. There is nothing to suggest Mourinho has a personal vendetta against Martial. Even when Hazard was phoning it in last year for Chelsea I don't recall Mourinho dropping him.
The other conclusion you can draw is that Mourinho is not impressed with how Martial applies himself in training or on the pitch and he's picking players he trusts to execute his plans. This is an inherently less speculative conclusion to draw than the one above because it's rooted in the reality of how player/manager/team relationships work.
You're speculating just as much as I am so you can get off your high horse. I want Martial to succeed here but it's not smart to back a player who had one good season vs. a manager who was near enough everything. If we want to start backing players ahead of managers we are only going to make ourselves prone to seasons like Chelsea's last year where players stop trying because they don't fancy the manager. Martial has the ball in his court and all he needs to do is keep his head down. Everyone here needs to relax and just see what happens.
With Europa League and FA cup games coming back into the fray we will see if he has really fallen out of favour. Jose has to play him because we need to exercise our strength in depth here, especially with regards to Europa League, if we are to be successful in this period.
I don't think it is the case though because he did make the bench today, Micky wasn't even getting that much. My doubt is mostly because of Jose's past history.
I don't think it is the case though because he did make the bench today, Micky wasn't even getting that much. My doubt is mostly because of Jose's past history.
No, but Fellaini was pointless and Martial and Rashford on the counter could be fun.
I never fully appreciated Sir Alex man mgmt skills till now. Even lvg was better than he gets credit for. Was always fair to young players. I like JM but the gulf in treatment of young vs established senior players is a bit annoying. Might explain why they thrive under Lvg but struggling under JM.
What was the point in giving Ashley Young minutes instead of Martial?
Yeah, it's funny that LVG and JM are similar in this respect - LVG can get something from the kids; whereas Jose is more comfortable with established players. We haven't yet lucked out on a manager that can handle both.
We will know soon enough if Mou plans to sell him because he simply won't play him to avoid paying the goals clause. What we can gather from the situation is that Martial has managed to get on Mous bad side and he will need to work his bloody arse off to get out of it and possibly change agent too.
Well said.
Little point in sticking him on with 7 mins to go, more likely to have a negative effect rather than positive when there's feck all to play for.
All managers are short termers. Their job is to win in the present, not create some fantasy team that may be good in 5 years.
Man do you realize what you're saying? You're saying that we're trying to find any excuse to find fault in Mourinho. In other words, that we're not being rational. Yet you're the one who isn't looking at any evidence and just claiming Mou is right because he's the manager.
You think I want to criticize Mourinho for no reason? No. We just find Martial's treatment unfair because Rashford gets to play more, yet the latter isn't performing as well. Martial isn't like Adnan in that he ignores his defensive duties. So I'm not sure how he's not doing what is asked of him. He's been flat out better. I see no attitude problem. I just see a kid that is not that outgoing. There is nothing wrong with that.
I think it's funny that attitude problems always appear when a person wants to back the manager.
You don't know how Martial is performing according to the tactical framework Mourinho is using. You don't know how well he's performing in training to adapt to Mourinho's tactics. I don't see how people can cry foul when a manager's player selections don't match their own.
i actually think Martial has been well below par for large parts of this season, and when Gary Neville criticized him in commentary some weeks ago, I thought it was entirely justified. I like the kid, but this meltdown over a managerial decision to not select a player when we win away 0-3 is disturbing, quite frankly.
Why not? The games over and it's all about just marking time, and I'm sure Jose wants to give Young a few minutes here and there after he more than likely turned a few clubs down in January and stayed with us, Martial would likely have come on if we needed a goal, as for me he would have done on Wednesday if Jones hadn't taken up one of the sub choices.
He'll be back soon enough, and this will all be forgotten as the non-story it most likely is.
The problem for me is, he plays well one game and doesn't play again for a few matches. From the outside looking in, he doesn't seem to be getting the chances to improve with any sort of consistency.
This is compounded with the fact that there is no one else on the left that is having a great season either.
Someone did some analysis of martial in one of our games, pointing out how lazy he is with making runs. Might have been neville. He got slated on here for it but he was right. Martial hasn't seemed up for it all season. If you watch him off thr ball he doesn't move much.
I'm not saying rashford is a better player, but hes far more proactive in terms of making runs and he plays for the team more. I would imagine that is the reason martial is not getting played.
I'm not saying rashford is a better player, but hes far more proactive in terms of making runs and he plays for the team more. I would imagine that is the reason martial is not getting played.
Of that's true to an extent but it's a very wide umbrella you're casting over there. Managers get themselves involved to different degrees when it comes to academy players and short term related issues at a club. You see some who take a more active role with the club whereas others tend to focus on the first team more exclusively. By all accounts, Mourinho has been more towards the latter than the former. The idea that a manager is either concerned with the 5 year plan or the next game and that there is nothing in between is an extreme over simplification.
Pulled this from an article from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...cting-his-players-and-the-Premier-League.html
Quoting Mourinho:
One of the things you must remember as a leader is your people are more important than you
For any new player arriving, the integration is about getting him to understand we are organised in every aspect and he has to follow us – times, tactics, routines
He has to do it, he has to adapt. We will not change to him – he has to change
So it is about making him feel and understand that he is a special talent, yes – but before him we were a special team, and this team wants to improve and needs him in order to improve.
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The more you understand them the more you can lead them. I never liked the kind of leadership where the boys say: ‘He’s my leader, I have to respect him.’ I prefer them to say: ‘I respect him and he’s my leader.’
It is a completely different thing. They can say: ‘I do that because he tells me to do that and I have to.’ I prefer them to say: ‘I believe in him so much, and trust him so much that everything he says I want to do!’
I prefer much more this kind of empathy.
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http://www.creativeboom.com/tips/10-ways-to-lead-your-team-like-jose-mourinho-leads-chelsea/
"I am a winner because I am good at what I do and because I am surrounded by top people. Alone, you do absolutely nothing."
“But can you work the talent properly so that he understands the team’s needs? Is he an intelligent, open guy waiting for you to help him be better? Is he the kind of maverick guy, the selfish guy, where it is much more difficult to persuade him the team is more important than he is?”
“I want everybody with a very strong motivation. When you have a big box of oranges and one of them is bad, one month later, 10 oranges have to be sent to the garbage."
Of course, many people say we cannot be friends with the players. I say exactly the opposite.
If you are not friends with the players you do not reach the maximum potential of that group.
You have to be friends with them, but they have to understand that between friends the answer is never the answer they are expecting, or the answer they want to hear. They have to understand that.''
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Maybe Martial hasn't fully embraced Mou's modus operandi. Point is, there are many reasons why Martial is in his current predicament. IMO it is up to Martial to step up and fight for his place. I don't believe that Mourinho is making his team selections based on anything other than
a)the player's ability and willingness to embrace the team ethic
and
b) the ability to adapt to and follow the tactical plans.
I don't buy that Mou is trying to force him out, rather I think he is challenging him to do better. It's unfortunate that Martial seems to take criticism personally instead of using it to push himself. He's 21, young but not a baby, it's up to him to prove he's up to the challenge. Nothing wrong with that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...cting-his-players-and-the-Premier-League.html
Quoting Mourinho:
One of the things you must remember as a leader is your people are more important than you
For any new player arriving, the integration is about getting him to understand we are organised in every aspect and he has to follow us – times, tactics, routines
He has to do it, he has to adapt. We will not change to him – he has to change
So it is about making him feel and understand that he is a special talent, yes – but before him we were a special team, and this team wants to improve and needs him in order to improve.
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The more you understand them the more you can lead them. I never liked the kind of leadership where the boys say: ‘He’s my leader, I have to respect him.’ I prefer them to say: ‘I respect him and he’s my leader.’
It is a completely different thing. They can say: ‘I do that because he tells me to do that and I have to.’ I prefer them to say: ‘I believe in him so much, and trust him so much that everything he says I want to do!’
I prefer much more this kind of empathy.
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http://www.creativeboom.com/tips/10-ways-to-lead-your-team-like-jose-mourinho-leads-chelsea/
"I am a winner because I am good at what I do and because I am surrounded by top people. Alone, you do absolutely nothing."
“But can you work the talent properly so that he understands the team’s needs? Is he an intelligent, open guy waiting for you to help him be better? Is he the kind of maverick guy, the selfish guy, where it is much more difficult to persuade him the team is more important than he is?”
“I want everybody with a very strong motivation. When you have a big box of oranges and one of them is bad, one month later, 10 oranges have to be sent to the garbage."
Of course, many people say we cannot be friends with the players. I say exactly the opposite.
If you are not friends with the players you do not reach the maximum potential of that group.
You have to be friends with them, but they have to understand that between friends the answer is never the answer they are expecting, or the answer they want to hear. They have to understand that.''
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Maybe Martial hasn't fully embraced Mou's modus operandi. Point is, there are many reasons why Martial is in his current predicament. IMO it is up to Martial to step up and fight for his place. I don't believe that Mourinho is making his team selections based on anything other than
a)the player's ability and willingness to embrace the team ethic
and
b) the ability to adapt to and follow the tactical plans.
I don't buy that Mou is trying to force him out, rather I think he is challenging him to do better. It's unfortunate that Martial seems to take criticism personally instead of using it to push himself. He's 21, young but not a baby, it's up to him to prove he's up to the challenge. Nothing wrong with that.
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He's on a 4 year deal signed last year with option to extend one more year. No team is going to offer crazy amount we paid to get him with 3 + years remaining in his contract. He's not that proven on a global scale. His only option is to make peace with Jose and get onto the pitch.
Renato Sanches moved to Bayern for around £30m, and City offered £35m for a 17-year-old (Mbappé). There'll be takers for Martial. A few teams tried to sign him before we got him. We just moved in quick after they got knocked out of the CL.
I fully agree with this. Martial and Shaw need to listen to the manager and follow his instructions. Otherwise they are out. Maybe its a Millennial thing, but then Rashford has no such issues.
Has Drunken ' The egg head' Castles and Mark ' Insider' Ogden go no info on the situation ? Must have something by now.
Agree totally.
It's ironic when people criticise Pogba for his haircuts and dabbing, because such blind fanboyism is probably why the dabs are marketing gold.
I hope the fans don't do that.
If Mourinho is as petty as fans like to claim, then doing this might make him more spiteful.
It may also give Martial an impression that he is so hard done by, and makes him even more frustrated.
It may give Martial's agent more ammunition to mouth off, which will make Mourinho go harder on him.
It will give the media opportunity to spout rubbish and cause a rift in the club.
I was confused by his treatment but with us in 4 comps. I have to believe he will get games if you look at our next 7. So, let's all calm down for now. I want him to start also but now we have a period where he will have to rotate and use the squad, I'm sure Martial will get mins soon.
The Sun should be banned.
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