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Banning the caftards who trust Sun won't be bad either.
Good bit of info thanks. This is my take on things as well.
Why should the fans know which position is a player's real position compared to a manager who watches them in training several times a week?
The best player of last year did not have the best of beginnings this season.
The highest scorer of last season has been eclipsed by another striker who has matched his goal tally before January.
We were also a Low-scoring team last year with Martial being a starter. What gives the confidence that as Long as Martial starts the floodgates are going to open? It also took Martial a while to get going.
I mean, I love Martial as a player and I have got a shirt with his name on the back. But I don't get all these baseless assumptions about Mourinho and Martial. This elevation of Martial to such a high pedestal is irrational, we are still speaking of a 21 year old player who has a long road ahead of him.
I think it was Graeme Souness?
If a player had a self-entitled petulant attitude like yours and an unwillingness to prove your worth in the face of adversity then I sure hope the manager sends him packing.
Nah our fans are clairvoyant. They know exactly what happens in training. They know that Martial is the perfect consummate professional who is tearing up trees in training. They are also splendid character analysts that know that Jose MUST be being a whimsical dick and that overrides all of his past management experiences and trophies.
We have lost great players before, for a variety of reasons.
Well said
Chill. The season's not over yet.
There's also no way of knowing that he is.
Maybe Martial has been sulking in training like a spoiled 12 year old girl.
Can I ask why it is so important that Martial starts? I mean Rashford was brilliant last season as well, he's come through our system, and he's giving everything. His pace frightens teams, and his ability to get behind a defence is something that Martial (despite his pace) doesn't seem to be able to do. Martial wants the ball to feet. It's not as though we are starting a 29 year old without great quality or potential, we are starting (probably the second best) young talent England have produced in a while. There's a lot of talk about the United way of playing, but one of our hallmarks was that we developed young British players. (Now, I don't want to get into a discussion about "bloody foreigners coming into this country and...", but perception can be almost the same thing as reality whenever it comes to a story in the media.)
With Shaw out of form, we could be looking at a starting 11 made up of 3 Spaniards, 2 Frenchmen, a Swede, an Armenian, a Dutchman, an Argentinian, a Ecuadorian, and an Ivorian....
With Shaw out of form, we could be looking at a starting 11 made up of 3 Spaniards, 2 Frenchmen, a Swede, an Armenian, a Dutchman, an Argentinian, a Ecuadorian, and an Ivorian....
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I wonder if it was this bad in the Fergie years. The main was playing O'Shea up front, Rafael in Midfield and Jones in Defensive midfield. So much tantrum-throwing these days.
Our most threatening player is Ibra, the guy who has actually scored the goals. Followed closely by Mhikitaryan now, probably.
Never knew we had a Venezuelan.
Let's assume that Martial does have an attitude problem or if he is lazy or silly. Do you think it's better for Jose to come out in th press conference to say, I am not playing Martial this week because he's been a lazy sulky boy who refuses to train well. What good will that do? So that fans are appeased?
Hell, with some of the fans attitude, even if this was true these fans are going to say that Mourinho is lying in the media or cooking up alternative facts.
Funny you say that, someone was just posting that he'd be great at Arsenal.
LOL! I meant Ecuadorian! I think Valencia's name played a role in that! I'll fix it, thank you!
Because Rashford is a lot younger, has a lot less experience and has looked poor this season. Not saying Martial hasn't either but constantly playing someone who's still a teenager even when they've had a pretty bad time for a few months is not going to do any wonders for his confidence or development. Martial spent all last season starting every game, Rashford only started games towards the end of the season. And I think you mean Ecuadorian not Venezuelan.
I guess it depends what you consider merit. Pure skill and technique I totally agree. But what if , for Jose, merit includes mentality and hard work too?
But Jose is playing Rashford? An even younger player than Martial.......
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All very excellent points.
Martial clearly had a better first half of the season than the second half last year. He had a terrible, confidence shattering experience in the Summer. This season he has produced in fits and starts. I personally think Rashford and Lindgard both have better movement off the ball atm. On the ball there's no comparison, but again, only in fits and starts. It's not like Rooney's playing left wing in his place every week.
PS. Playing a little devils advocate. If I was to say who I wanted to see on the team sheet for Watford, it would be a front 4 of Ibra, Miki, Mata, & Martial. I just find it strange how little affection some supports seem to have for those who come through our ranks now.
I think it's more to do with people being annoyed that we might lose Martial due to not playing him, Rashford is clearly very involved in the club (since he was a kid) and unless he's forced out he'd probably never leave us of his own accord, Martial with no connection to the club but also not playing may be tempted to leave - at least that's the way I see it. Best thing we can do is trust the manager, Martial's comments today indicate they've talked and maybe he'll be more willing to follow instructions/fight for his place.
This thread is very hilarious. ArsenalFanTV like. What's lacking here is just "bluds" and "fams".
Seriously, is the hashtag out yet? #MouOut maybe? Or #SaveMartial?
The situation is pretty simple. Many here understand it very well but not surprised all moaners failed to grasp it by tried very hard to not look at all the angles but preferred to only concentrate on the pitch (by including statistic from cup ties with Championship sides to have a bigger stick to beat Mourinho no less, or simply just to win an argument).
Really, all of these happened because his agent had threatened Mourinho so he now want to have a clear picture of Martial himself by asking him just one simple question, about what kind of a footballer he wants to be. That's all. Everything is up to Martial really.
For someone who asked why then included him on the bench if Mourinho didn't plan to play him. That too is very easy. To show that he still value his talent and wants him.
That's said, Mourinho will surely start him in FA Cup game. Don't worry.
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There are just as many people are suggesting he's probably been lazy in training with just as little evidence to back it up. Half the people in this thread are inventing reasons as to why he's not in the team, bad attitude, bad trainer etc. Most of it is idle speculation yet it's almost being trotted out as fact.
At least the people asking for him to be in the team are basing their opinion on something they actually get to evaluate, his performances on the pitch.
Not saying they are right, but at least there's some basis behind it.
Hilarious in what way? Are the fans not within their right to criticise a manager when he's freezing out the club's top scorer from last season and a player who's quite convincingly the best in his position?
This thread is very hilarious. ArsenalFanTV like. What's lacking here is just "bluds" and "fams".
Seriously, is the hashtag out yet? #MouOut maybe? Or #SaveMartial?
The situation is pretty simple. Many here understand it very well but not surprised all moaners failed to grasp it by tried very hard to not look at all the angles but preferred to only concentrate on the pitch (by including statistic from cup ties with Championship sides to have a bigger stick to beat Mourinho no less, or simply just to win an argument).
Really, all of these happened because his agent had threatened Mourinho so he now want to have a clear picture of Martial himself by asking him just two simple questions, about what kind of a footballer he wants to be. That's all. Everything is up to Martial really.
For someone who asked why then included him on the bench if Mourinho didn't plan to play him. That too is very easy. To show that he still value his talent and wants him.
That's said, Mourinho will surely start him in FA Cup game. Don't worry.
If this is all about the agent, it doesn't make any sense to penalise the player when he's playing well. I don't think even Mourinho knows what he wants of him, he cites intangibles like 'grabbing the opportunity with both hands' and 'magnificence' as reasons why he's not in the team when he consistently outperforms the players coming into the team at his expense.
I'm sure DT and Troopz didn't think ArsenalTV or their YouTube shows are hilarious either, but goes on then ..
Young is the better option defensively. I have no doubt he would've put in Martial if we needed goals.
Like he did against Hull?
What I cannot accept is the reports that, Mourinho doesn't rate him. That has to be rubbish.
That's a proper newbie post mate. You just can't reason with some Martial lovers (with blinders on) here. No doubt I think everyone wants Martial to do well and prosper at United for a long time. He scored 17 last year and showed great potential. I mean we all have favourite players (and I have also advocated for certain players to have more playing time in the past), but that said, no player no matter how talented, should be bigger than the team or the manager. If the manager doesn't rate him (rightly or wrongly), and putting all gossips and suggestions aside, Martial simply shouldn't play. If Martial doesn't like it then sorry he can ask for a transfer. The manager should always be backed on this issue, no questions asked.
Good post. Common sense at last.
Come off it
We were 0-3 up against a side who still haven't scored in 2017, there's no way that even entered his thinking. If anything, it was the perfect time to introduce a player who he thought needed to prove himself, when the 3 points were already sewn up.You can criticise the manager for not playing someone. You can even, with some justification, say Mou has been harsh with Martial. But for me the equation is very simple. No player should win a power struggle with the manager. No player is bigger than the club. At any level. There is really no need to even argue that for various obvious reasons. The reality is simply this: either Martial convinces or he will be off. If he turns out to be C. Ronaldo the second, then it's our loss and Mou's head. That's the risk Mou and the club are seemingly happy take. Which is right.
But Martial isn't in a power struggle with the manager.
Why is there a power struggle to begin with? The player, by his own admission, is happy at the club and playing well.
How can this discussion continue after the Martial-tweet? Honestly, the scenarios in this thread are 99% all in the posters imagination.
The discussion continued after Martial's interview with SFR in December where he said that he was happy to be at United, that it was obviously frustrating to play less but that it was a challenge to overcome and become better. It didn't prevent people from criticizing Martial, so the tweet won't prevent anything.
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