Agreed. I think Mourinho is making too much of an example, for some obscure reason, with Martial, and he did the same with Miki. That would be fine if we were flying, but we're struggling.
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Agreed. I think Mourinho is making too much of an example, for some obscure reason, with Martial, and he did the same with Miki. That would be fine if we were flying, but we're struggling.
Alternative facts I see.
Id argue Martial is playing a dangerous game, very few players go on to bigger & better things after leaving United.
It isn't Martial who picks the team. Mourinho's treatment of him has been a complete joke.
I'm not sure what's going on mate but you seem to constantly changing your mind on Martial.
How do you know that? Source?
I wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes that we don't know, it feels like Mourinho can't be stupid enough to just throw away Martial's talent just like that.
Not like he's done it before…
Mourinho can do no wrong. If a player is dropped and then plays well its down to Mourinho's brilliant handling of the player. If the player plays badly it is their own fault and Mourinho was right to drop them. If a player plays well then is randomly dropped by Mourinho, Mourinho is still right.
We are still saying stuff like this? never mind the fact that the majority of players that left United weren't as talented as Martial, and the ones that were had great careers, hell we just broke the transfer record to bring one back, but yeah, what dangerous game is Martial playing and what are these assumptions based on? Supposed leaks by his agent?
No its the treatment id expect for someone not displaying the right attitude, and neither you nor I know what attitude he displays at training but I'm going to trust Jose's judgement.
Also, lets not kid ourselves like some delusional posts Ive seen in this thread, he has been bang average this season.
So you don't know what attitude he displays during training yet you already said you'd argue he's playing a dangerous game and you're willing to blindly trust the manager's judgement?
Mourinho isn't infallible. He has messed up with De Bruyne, Lukaku etc
Martial's attitude during matches does not corroborate the idea of him having a bad attitude during training, or are you willing to ignore that? And despite him supposedly being bang average this season he's still producing more than those playing ahead of him therefore he should be playing
His attitude has been bad, and not doing the warm up pre match is a joke
Mourinho is a bit of a dick, isn't he?
Utterly bizarre and seemingly unjustified for benching your most creative, talented young player.
Twat.
Utterly bizarre and seemingly unjustified for benching your most creative, talented young player.
Twat.
That I want him to play does not mean I want him to start though does it? Sub app he should get though. He should have played the last 45 yesterday.
My thoughts exactly. He has started creating rifts in the team. Martial is 21 and is being kicked in and out of the team for losing form and he has not performed that badly to deserve this kind of a treatment.
Undoubtedly. Martial had a tough start to the season...no running away from that. That was his own doing (letting off the field issues get to him). But, Mourinho seems to lack tact - you can't treat every player the same way. Not all of them get 'tough love'. Not to mention - his last outing, he was pretty damn good ffs.
6 goals and 5 assists in 22 matches. Not exactly setting the world on fire, but he's contributing something every other game. Off the display on the weekend, he should have started yesterday. Instead, he gets dropped. Not to worry, we'll sell him for 30mil in the summer and buy a 28 year old for 50mil
I will not be surprised to see the likes of PSG trying to test the waters
Ok, a kid has been bang average but how many senior pros have been better than him this season?
Did he not join in the warm up yesterday? Things are really looking bad..
Should've brought him on yesterday, no doubt.
Still laughing Rooney was put on ahead of him 
Yeah I think the Golden Boy winner who was wanted by every club that could get their hands on him can do better than barely sixth placed United.
There's probably nothing in that to be honest
Seen that referenced twice now, what's this all about? Surely he's not that stupid.
Also I'm still waiting for a logical argument from those posters that are arguing that Jose has just inexplicably decided to treat him like shit. What's the theory behind this?
I don't get how any living humans can choose Rooney over Martial to put on as a sub, especially when both our winger did not play good at all
For all the talk how Van Gaal does not have balls to bench Rooney, Mourinho being too stubborn is equally annoying
For all the talk how Van Gaal does not have balls to bench Rooney, Mourinho being too stubborn is equally annoying
I don't think this, however. Subbing on Rooney ahead of him yesterday was madness.
Ever seen Space Jam? There are aliens amongst us.
Don't get the big deal being made about him not being in the warm up. I'm sure there was a reason for it. It's not something he'd really be allowed decide for himself. Why is everyone just assuming it's because he refused to do it? That's just idle speculation.
Now that explains a lot, or did Jose just lost his mojo after an alien steal his managerial abilities??
Yes I agree. However, he doesn't seem to have the right agent or whomever around him to educate him in playing the 'political' game. That's where he would benefit if he had Raiola (or whatever his name is). He needs someone canny around him to point that out.
All I know is that at 21 I definitely hadn't learned how to do that. Took me several years after that to mature enough to understand how to deal with certain types of people.
Yeah normally it does. When you said it was wrong for Martial to be dropped and you want him to play why would anybody think you want him to be a sub? Tied yourself in knots here. Don't know why. I'm really surprised that even with hindsight you don't think Martial should have started. How's that possible.
Heard he did warm up with Mata
I think whereever he gets he will have a great career though. Id rather that be here at OT than anywhere else.
Joses approach may work with some players but with others it is just going to alienate them. That is a possibility with Martial. The club shouldnt bow to anyone but its not just the player here that is culpable. Different players need handled diffrently. If its true he didnt do the warm up then its clearly we have a problem here that need resolved and consistently punishing the player for no reason isn't the way to about it.
He's 21.
I think we are being way over reliant on him to save our season when there are other more established players not pulling their weight/scoring goals.
Even if you are a sub and get 30 minutes, you play. And I thought it was clear when I also wrote that he deserved to play before Rooney. My English might not be the best but for me playing is being one of the 14 who can be used. And by dropped I meant from the squad.
I'm really surprised that even with hindsight you don't think Martial should have started. How's that possible.
So now we should change our opinion based on hindsight? I don't think that's fair. I would also have started Rashford and Mkhi over him yesterday. It's always easy to want a change when you know the result.
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Sometimes I wonder if people support Man United or individual players. I don't get this attitude at all. Martial is to blame for his own shit form. I'm as big a fan of the player as most but he needs to strap on a pair and actually perform when given the chance. He isn't working hard enough when he's on the pitch. If he was he'd be playing. If he wants to play he knows what he has to do.
And for others its either Manchester United or the manager. The player hasn't been as he was last season but let's pretend that the manager isn't culpable either with his management.
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