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Tbf, I think he would have come on if not for jone's injury.

But not starting him was a bit odd. It should have been rashford who should start on the bench instead.
 
This story just sums up Mourinho. Mhki and Martial play on different sides of the pitch so saying one is ahead of the other is completely irrelevant. Anyone that cannot see Mourinho has a clear agenda against Martial is clueless. Now Mhki has become teachers pet after bowing to Mourinho's ego and claiming Mournho was right to drop him earlier in the season. While Martial is now enemy number one and will continue to be so until how also bows to Mourinho's ego.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...rtial-that-henrikh-mkhitaryan-is-ahead-of-him

Mourinhos claim on not being able to leave out Mkhitaryan because he was the man of the match is laughable. Mkhitaryan wouldn't have been awarded that if it wasn't for his link up play with Martial.
 
Last year we were terrified of burning him out due to lack of options, now we're terrified of whatever's up with him and Mou. Starting to feel like it's really not meant to be for him here.

Copying @Invictus so he can monitor my posts.
 
He's playing pretty much every week so I don't see a bigger problem. He'll get loads of chances in 4 competition system, it's lack of goals that worries me sometimes but he's still young and not fully developed despite indisputable talent.
 
Seriously wth s going on with VG's students? Just laugh at Pep benching Aguero for nothing then now Mou too??? Remembering a lot the way their teacher benched Herrera and Schneiderlin times to times right after they just saved his job by a phenomenal match.

De Bruyne didnt show much at Chelsea, Mou's decision could be understandable at that moment De Bruyne left but the same for Martial? Non sense, just damn it, Martial's potential already sparkles many many many times here - a must admit ffs. Still no doubt in my mind Mou will be successful and achieves a lot of things if he stays with us for long term, even if he sells Martial - but it will be a huge lost for both the club and Jose himself, something Mou will regret for forever everytime he looks back at his career, just like SAF used to with Tevez case.

Sadly seeing Tevez and Martial (an if) left at top just because of unbelievably losing their places to undeserved Berbatov and Lingard, feck my life cant stand even once with that, painful witnessing those days
 
He's playing pretty much every week so I don't see a bigger problem. He'll get loads of chances in 4 competition system, it's lack of goals that worries me sometimes but he's still young and not fully developed despite indisputable talent.
That isn't the point though. It's the fact that whenever he performs well, Mourinho drops him for the subsequent game. Against Middlesbrough, he was excellent but was then dropped for the game against West Ham. Excellent against Reading; dropped against Hull. Contrary to what some would have you believe, he wasn't poor against Liverpool. Their RB struggled against him, and Liverpool adapted and swarmed Martial with at least three players. The problem wasn't Martial in that game. A couple of days ago, he assisted two goals and put in a good performance (not as good as the aforementioned games), yet he's still benched for a player who clearly isn't a wide forward (might perform better on the right though). Mourinho has no problem playing Rashford in consecutive games, despite his poor form. That's odd.

Just like Mourinho's insistence on playing Fellaini at the start of the season ahead of Carrick, this is another episode of him wanting to prove a point. Which is stupid because we're bleeding because of it, yet it seems that he'd rather cost us points than do the right thing. Nothing new of course - he's always been like that.
 
I'm hoping Mou reviews these last two games and realises that while both Martial & Rashford still have a lot to learn that Martial's second half performance meant that he should be getting the nod for starting LW from here on in. I agree with the posters suggesting Rashford makes for great sub bringing his pace and energy in a second half when the opposition is flagging. And should perhaps replace Ibra on occasion, or even start some games at CF and then get replaced by Ibra when he's exhausted himself and the CB's.

I would have brought Mata on for Carrick.
Mata was a reasonable enough change but we could have still brought on Martial when Jones got hurt and gone for the win!
 
What do you think Ed Woodward is going to say to Jose about Martial? He can talk about Martial's marketability, Martial's contract, the valuation of Martial when it comes to selling him this summer and that's about it. He knows nothing about football and he has 0 business giving any advice to Jose with regards to anything on the pitch. We don't have a DOF, we don't have a sporting director and we don't have anyone in a footballing operations capacity above Jose.

These kind of posts are somewhat amusing to me.

I'm sure Woodward - being CEO of one of the biggest clubs in the world - and more importantly being an Englishman [living his life in a football mad country] knows about football as much as you and I posting on the forum. It may be different with a foreign executive who got involved simply for a business investment but again I don't want to tar them all with the same brush.
 
That isn't the point though. It's the fact that whenever he performs well, Mourinho drops him for the subsequent game. Against Middlesbrough, he was excellent but was then dropped for the game against West Ham. Excellent against Reading; dropped against Hull. Contrary to what some would have you believe, he wasn't poor against Liverpool. Their RB struggled against him, and Liverpool adapted and swarmed Martial with at least three players. The problem wasn't Martial in that game. A couple of days ago, he assisted two goals and put in a good performance (not as good as the aforementioned games), yet he's still benched for a player who clearly isn't a wide forward (might perform better on the right though). Mourinho has no problem playing Rashford in consecutive games, despite his poor form. That's odd.

Just like Mourinho's insistence on playing Fellaini at the start of the season ahead of Carrick, this is another episode of him wanting to prove a point. Which is stupid because we're bleeding because of it, yet it seems that he'd rather cost us points than do the right thing. Nothing new of course - he's always been like that.
Sounds reasonable enough but we're bleeding mainly because players can't convert sitters from few meters while Jose is trying to keep his words about giving Rashford chances but I agree with everything else - The rotation is too strong at times and sooner or later squad will need more stable choices to start producing chemistry between players.

I assume this will be addressed after next summer or Maureen may be in serious trouble because by all means he's not bigger than the club.
 
I hope Jose knows what he's doing and not just on one of his crusades.

Let's not pretend Martial was particularly brilliant against Wigan but he did get two assists and a goal. To then completely drop him for a player who has shown nothing in that position makes little sense.
 
I think Jose will even know he had a bit of a mare not bringing him on. Martial can surely see bigger picture being inside the dressing room. But let this one go to the keeper.
 
Ever since Middleborough game:

Mata (2 goals 2 assists)
Starter: 4 games
Came as a sub: 4 games (26min, 45min, 25min, 28min)

Martial (2 goals 2 assists)
Starter: 4 games
Came as a sub: 1 game (31 minutes)


Mkhytaryan (1 goal 1 assist)
Starter: 7 games

Rashford (2 goals 1 assist) - Note: 2 goals he scored when he played as a striker against Reading
Starter: 4 games
Came as a sub: 3 games (18min, 32min, 34min)

Lingard (0 goal 0 assist)
Starter: 2 games
Came as a sub: 2 games (19min, 17min)

Rooney (2 goals 1 assist)
Starter: 3 games
Came as a sub: 4 games (45min, 23min, 11min, 45min)

I'm not saying Martial will save us or solve the problems but by looking at all of these stats, is there any reason why Martial is being dropped or cannot start or play ahead of the other players?
 
Why the funk are we not playing our best player and top scorer from last year? He is truly a special talent. It is angering to see Martial not get a sniff when we can't bloody score.
 
But you said the below in response to posters saying he should be starting tonight.



But then 30 mins later go on to say he definitely should have started. Doesn't really add up to me.
Where did I say he should have started? He deserved to be on ahead of Rooney but not start because others has done better than him this season.
 
Hey Mourinho lovers. Here's an excuse for you, "I would have played Martial, but Phil's injury took one sub".
 
This is the same story as with Mikhitaryan. You need to submit and become Jose's bitch if he doesn't like the look of you. It looks like Martial is too proud to do it so he'll be forced out.
 
This is the same story as with Mikhitaryan. You need to submit and become Jose's bitch if he doesn't like the look of you. It looks like Martial is too proud to do it so he'll be forced out.
Martial does look a proud lad, and good for him. He has no need to kiss ass if he doesn't want to. His inclusion in the starting line up should be judged on what he brings to the team - not dependant on stroking someone's ego.
 
Martial does look a proud lad, and good for him. He has no need to kiss ass if he doesn't want to. His inclusion in the starting line up should be judged on what he brings to the team - not dependant on stroking someone's ego.

Fair enough, but sometimes it's best to just play along, especially if his goal is to ultimately make it back onto the pitch.

The thing that irked me most about Martial vs Wigan is that even when he got his 2 assists, he didn't celebrate. He just hung his head to the floor and forcefully dragged himself across to the rest of the players that were celebrating, as if to make a point.

I know that he's in a tough spot given the circumstances, but I feel as though most of what he's going through could be avoided if he chooses to just cut out all the drama from Mourinho and focus on his football.
 
I would have started him last night but not reading much into him not coming on. If you take Carrick off, Rooney is a decent choice to go to 4-2-3-1 (I'd maybe have gone with Martial left, Mkhi centre and Rashford right); Smalling for Jones is straight forward (although Young to LB and Blind to CB was an alternative): Mkhi was having a mare and Mata was again logical swap to do what Mkhi should have been doing.

It was more that Mkhi was so dreadful last night and a centre back got injured that was fated against him.
 
Martial is our only player who can dribble past players and make things happen so it's absolutely bewildering that he's being treated this way. The whole his goals and assists stats are similar to Mata argument is absolutely ridiculous because Martial will force teams to double team on him and create space for others to exploit. The possibilities are limitless with someone like Martial but it is up to the manager to utilize him properly.
 
He didn't bother doing the pre-match warm up, he's a typical french player, selfish and not interested if things are not going his way. I don't care how good a player is if their attitude stinks then they need to be whipped into shape or leave, its harsh and although it may hurt the team in the short term, it will benefit us in the long run.
 
He would quite obviously have come on had Jones not come off, it cost us a sub.

There's no way anyone else should be ahead of him in the pecking order on the left hand side.
 
He didn't bother doing the pre-match warm up, he's a typical french player, selfish and not interested if things are not going his way. I don't care how good a player is if their attitude stinks then they need to be whipped into shape or leave, its harsh and although it may hurt the team in the short term, it will benefit us in the long run.

Agreed, there's no way Fergie would've allowed a player to act like that and Jose is exactly the same.
As great a player Martial may become he's not there yet, and a bit of hard graft and keeping his head down will help him massively in the long run.
 
Whatever happens, let's not let go of Martial. When Ibrahimovic fades, Martial would actually be a pretty decent option as the lone-striker I think. And Mou likes them physical - Griezmann alone on top is probably not gonna happen.

Martial's problem right now is that teams have figured him out, and that he doesn't get the balls in between defender and midfielder. If he dribbles past one, then there's just another one waiting. That's where Van Gaal utilized him great. Mou's been trying the same, and publicly said the same thing.
 
I think the way Jose has managed this is shocking I mean every time Martial gets a chance now he is under massive pressure. How he does not get on last night I don't get it you bring on Rooney, Mata and already have Zlatan on there is no pace needed a player to get in behind defence or run at the defence Martial does that. Martial and Shaw should be the future for this club and looks at the moment both could be leaving in summer which would be very disappointing
 
I think the way Jose has managed this is shocking I mean every time Martial gets a chance now he is under massive pressure. How he does not get on last night I don't get it you bring on Rooney, Mata and already have Zlatan on there is no pace needed a player to get in behind defence or run at the defence Martial does that. Martial and Shaw should be the future for this club and looks at the moment both could be leaving in summer which would be very disappointing
Exactly! I really don't see the logic in dropping players who are putting sub-par performances by their standards just to replace them with players whose standards are basically less than the sub-performances put in by the players being dropped.
 
The time is now, surely.

Unless there's something serious we don't know about it's just got to be Martial playing... starting, every week. We're in dire need of some spark.

Just play him Jose!
 
He didn't bother doing the pre-match warm up, he's a typical french player, selfish and not interested if things are not going his way. I don't care how good a player is if their attitude stinks then they need to be whipped into shape or leave, its harsh and although it may hurt the team in the short term, it will benefit us in the long run.
Maybe there was a legitimate reason for not doing the pre-match warm up. Carry on though.
 
He didn't bother doing the pre-match warm up, he's a typical french player, selfish and not interested if things are not going his way. I don't care how good a player is if their attitude stinks then they need to be whipped into shape or leave, its harsh and although it may hurt the team in the short term, it will benefit us in the long run.


Thats true but he should never have been in a position to sulk like that. If i was him id have done it but I would be fecking livid inside. I would understand it if there was any sense to it but there is not. Mourinho playing a dangerous game here with Martial.
 
This guy is gone in the summer, which is outrageous. Jose just doesnt fancy him, simple as that. What makes me believe that is because Jose keeps playing the same players who are not performing anyway, Rashford, Rooney, Mata. This guy plays what once every few weeks then is dropped again

Easily one of our most talented players.
 
So are we still saying Mourinho's treatment to him and Shaw is right and justified because we're still in honeymoon faze with Mourinho or now we can ask Jose what the hell is he doing with him?

if I were him I'd left in the summer. I wish he would have left in January window. There's no belief in him and he can't make it here. It is jus another six months of his career wasting here. In the summer we will bring Griezmann and everybody will forget Martial. It will take a few years for us to realize what we lost.
 
That isn't the point though. It's the fact that whenever he performs well, Mourinho drops him for the subsequent game. Against Middlesbrough, he was excellent but was then dropped for the game against West Ham. Excellent against Reading; dropped against Hull. Contrary to what some would have you believe, he wasn't poor against Liverpool. Their RB struggled against him, and Liverpool adapted and swarmed Martial with at least three players. The problem wasn't Martial in that game. A couple of days ago, he assisted two goals and put in a good performance (not as good as the aforementioned games), yet he's still benched for a player who clearly isn't a wide forward (might perform better on the right though). Mourinho has no problem playing Rashford in consecutive games, despite his poor form. That's odd.

Just like Mourinho's insistence on playing Fellaini at the start of the season ahead of Carrick, this is another episode of him wanting to prove a point. Which is stupid because we're bleeding because of it, yet it seems that he'd rather cost us points than do the right thing. Nothing new of course - he's always been like that.

Martial has not been consistent like last year. Don't dispute that he maybe should be given more of a run of games but Mou is the one he's gotta convince. Mou is obviously pissed at Martial for something behind the scenes. How do you know if Martial hasn't overstepped and challenged Mou? The fact is we don't know and my belief is that the manager should always win these power struggles. The fact is at Chelsea the players downed tools and slit Mou's throat last year and he won't allow that to happen again (at least it seems to me).
 
So are we still saying Mourinho's treatment to him and Shaw is right and justified because we're still in honeymoon faze with Mourinho or now we can ask Jose what the hell is he doing with him?

if I were him I'd left in the summer. I wish he would have left in January window. There's no belief in him and he can't make it here. It is jus another six months of his career wasting here. In the summer we will bring Griezmann and everybody will forget Martial. It will take a few years for us to realize what we lost.

Maybe we will buy him back for 200m
 
This is fun. The less Martial play the better he will be on the caf. But I feel the same so I should also take the blame. But reality is, Martial has been shit this season.
No he hasn't.

He started the season in shit form, and was rightfully dropped. Anybody complaining about him not playing earlier in the season, or going on about how we'd be higher in the table if we'd just been playing him all season, are talking shit. However, he's generally been playing quite well for the last two months or so. I'd say comfortably better than any of our other attackers with the possible exception of Mkhitaryan. He hasn't been at his absolute best, but it's still been good enough to deserve to be first choice. First choice doesn't mean he'd be starting every game, but it should be along the same lines of how Mkhitaryan is getting most of the important games these days.
 
Maybe we will buy him back for 200m

Sounds like a good plan. And then when we buy him we will say how much he wanted to be a top player and that was the reason he left. There will be no talking about his so called bad attitude. Apparently now we love superstars and we have no interest in making one. And I'm talking about the fans.
 
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