Who do you think is better on the left, Martial, Rashford or Mata?
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Who do you think is better on the left, Martial, Rashford or Mata?
Maybe because of his poor record with talented youth in his previous clubs.
The fact he's singling out Martial and Shaw for public criticism, yet he's ignoring poor performances from other players.
Because it seems that same standards don't apply for everyone. Martial need to be "magnificent" in order to start, whilst some other players are allowed to be very poor.
Everytime Martial starts playing good, he gets dropped for the next game.
By Mourinho's own words he said he must play Mikhi after his performance vs. Wigan (agreed, Mikhi is class) but when Martial was MOTM vs. Stoke, Middlesbrough, West Ham, he got dropped the next game.
I don't buy that "motivating, challenging him" crap that's being served because even to the most die-hard Mourinho supporters, his behaviour is quite baffling.
Martial is the better player, but you have to take things like form etc into consideration when picking an 11.
Also Rashford has played well on the left last couple games hes made an appearance.
Also I said Mata on the right.
In any case I think he will start, but point still stands, if he wants to start every game then he has to play well as there are good players looking to take his spot.
Mata really haven't had a good game on the right since away game vs. West Ham.
Indeed which is why he doesn't start every game! I don't get why Martial should start every game regardless of form/performance. Hes being told play well and keep your place, which is fair.
Yet he's somehow always in the top of the picking order so that Mikhi can play on the left even tho his best games always came from the right.
I only included Mata as an option on the left because you mentioned him. Though I'm not sure why you did given they don't compete for the same spot.
I agree with your point about form but they've all been hit and miss. So you go with the most talented. Which we both agree is Martial. Dropping him negatively affects the team because any replacement is a lesser player and equally inconsistent.
It's incredible the way people have so little understanding of the way press conferences work. The hype around Martial from last season means Mourinho is constantly fending off questions about his performances and why he's not starting every game. He's not "singling out" players like Blind, Lingard, Fosuh-Mensa or Fellaini to explain what they need to do in order to start every game because he's not being asked.
The "magnificent" comment was a very simple way of explaining that he picks the team on merit. If any player excel in one game, then he will select them for the next one. This is basic stuff. There's no need to get hung on the precise adjective he chose to use.
Wait so now you reply to me but you ignored them previous questions i asked you?
No you rotate until someone finds consistent form. They are all talented players Mata Mhiki Martial Rashford.
Not to mention that when it comes to the big games at home. Arsenal Spurs Liverpool Martial always got the nod.
Nothing wrong with the manager rotating that position when no one has really made it their own this season and all of the players mentioned bar maybe Lingard (who can still do a good job) are all highly talented.
That reads like you're having an argument with your boyfriend!
The fact remains, from his performances on the pitch, Martial should be a regular first team player and he isn't. Not only that he is being publicly criticised by the manager, as was Shaw. In neither case does it seem fair considering the mediocre performances of the players playing in their stead.
If Jose had a strong track record in pushing young players forward with this approach it might all be defensible, but he hasn't so it isn't.
If Jose had a strong track record in pushing young players forward with this approach it might all be defensible, but he hasn't so it isn't.
But how do you explain Martial being dropped after he had great performances vs. West Ham, Reading, Middlesbrough?
Where's the logic in dropping a player that is raising his form? Isn't it more logical to give him the run of games?
Oh, are we in a couple now, dear?
How exactly is Mata on top of the picking order?
By your standard maybe they were great performance.
I think Mourinho is much more deliberate than that. He's not accidentally applying pressure to Martial. All part of the plan to toughen him up.
Read again, i said in not on the top.
Hm, are you saying that Martial's performances vs. Reading, West Ham and Middlesbrough we're short of great?
How in the top then? He hasnt been playing that much recently.
He started more games in January than Martial did. Also came in as a sub more times.
Possibly. Although I definitely think it's interest from the press that keeps him at the top of the agenda.
There is mate. When you play a less talented player over Martial who is just as inconsistent that can't be good for the team. There's no way round that.
Yeah agree.
Rashford? Mata? Really no
Hm, are you saying that Martial's performances vs. Reading, West Ham and Middlesbrough we're short of great?
I think they were good performances. Not great performances by his standards. Not even sure whats funny about that, you're selling him short.
I don't get why you keep bringing Mata up. The choice is never between those two. I think you're just padding out your argument.
You've already agreed that Martial is better than Rashford on the left. So given they're both inconsistent why pick the less talented? There's just no way that can be good for the team.
Oh wait, so now we're judging his performance by his potential and not his actual game impact?
According to the manager it is.
He doesn't pick Rashford over Martial every game, neither does he pick Martial over Rashford every game. The point is neither of them has played well enough to cement the place. Also just because I said I thought Martial is more talented than Rashford doesn't mean I think its by so much that I would advocate continuously playing Martial (despite patchy form) and leave Rashford on the bench to rot. Its not like Rashford is Ashley Young.
Have you ever actually seen Mata playing on the left for us?
Tedious. When Mata plays on the right Mhiki is an option on the left. Its not rocket science. Jose has said plenty times who Martial is in competition with, if you chose to ignore that, thats your issue
It's simple, out of all our wingers since the Boro game, Martial has performed best yet he's been the most dropped and left out entirely of the squad, so how is that fair?
This isn't about Martial having to simply perform and play because that's not true(benched after MoTM performances against Boro, then dropped after good games later on). Mou should just drop with this treatment and simply be fair to the kid. All these talks of tough love etc are excuses and people know it.
This isn't about Martial having to simply perform and play because that's not true(benched after MoTM performances against Boro, then dropped after good games later on). Mou should just drop with this treatment and simply be fair to the kid. All these talks of tough love etc are excuses and people know it.
Oh wait, so now we're judging his performance by his potential and not his actual game impact?
No I said I have higher standards for a "great" performance as opposed to a "good" performance.
Ever considered that the way to get the best out of every player is to hold them to the standard you expect them to achieve? If Martial doesn't have enough drive and Mourinho holds him to the same standards as Lingard, he's not going to fulfil his potential.
If he demands more from him and motivates him to perform to the standard we know he can, we should see him perform to the standard we believe he can reach. Lingard is a squad member with far less expectation than Martial. He works his ass off and is doing as much as you can expect from him so Mourinho will play him in the minutes that he believes a player like Lingard can contribute in.
Martial on the other hand, he knows has a rare talent and he's trying his damned hardest to light a fire underneath him and get him to raise his game to where it should be.
You see there lies the problem. Mikhi is never nearly as good on the left as he is on the right, so just by shoehorning Mikhi there to accommodate Mata is hurting us.
Isn't it much more easier to play his players in positions from which the team can benefit the most?
He started vs Spurs Arsenal and Liverpool at home. Jose obviously rates him else he wouldn't be trusted in said games. In those games he wasn't great and was subsequently left out. Its obvious Jose wants him to up his level.
Mhiki can play well on the left, center and on the right.
Mata has been a very good performer on the right.
Don't see much of a problem.
Ideally I would like Martial left and Mhiki right, but we won't get that every game, especially if Martials form is patchy. The bolded part being the most important part, hes being pushed to perform to a higher standard than he currently is.
Come on that's just a tenuous way to support your argument of dropping Martial, which is exactly what Mourinho does. That's why he also mentions Rooney and Young as options.
If you agree all our wingers lack consistency and Martial is the most talented I don't see any reason not to play Martial. Rashford doesn't have to "rot". He can continue his sub role. The role he's looked his best in.
I just wanted to moan about Wobin being gone, chiefo.
It's quite how you're trying to weasel out from this situation.
He was our best player vs. Middlesbrough, got a goal and created quite a few chances, completely annihilating Chambers in the process.
Vs. West Ham he scored twice, marauding the left flank.
Vs. Reading he scored, had an assist i think and was our best player.
How da fek those aren't great performances?
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