The reporter or whoever the guy who tweeted it.
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The reporter or whoever the guy who tweeted it.
I'm sure the Young quote meant he was in the squad but if he got minutes ahead of Martial....... 
I've been a big fan of Jose so far.
I completely disagree with him here though. I don't know what he's doing, Martial is easily our best option on the left wing. Who else even can play there?
Young?!!?
I completely disagree with him here though. I don't know what he's doing, Martial is easily our best option on the left wing. Who else even can play there?
Young?!!?
The whole thing went tits up when he was shafted over his number to make way for Ibrahimović.
I have no doubt that Mourinho isn't 100% to blame for Martial's season, but he does appear to have an agenda against him. Mourinho expects a great level of work ethic from his players, which caused problems with Hazard during his 2nd spell at Chelsea.
Mkhi wasn't even that good against Wigan until he scored.
Martial has been doing more than enough in recent games to warrant a run of games in the side. He destroyed Reading, Middlesbrough and Wigan in the 2nd half. He wasn't even that bad against Liverpool. He was definitely one of our more dangerous outlets.
I have no doubt that Mourinho isn't 100% to blame for Martial's season, but he does appear to have an agenda against him. Mourinho expects a great level of work ethic from his players, which caused problems with Hazard during his 2nd spell at Chelsea.
Mkhi wasn't even that good against Wigan until he scored.
Martial has been doing more than enough in recent games to warrant a run of games in the side. He destroyed Reading, Middlesbrough and Wigan in the 2nd half. He wasn't even that bad against Liverpool. He was definitely one of our more dangerous outlets.
Mourinho doing to the youngsters exactly what we were warned about. Awful man management, been better than Caf sweetheart Mata (who's had far too easy a ride from United fans since he's joined).
Even more embarrassing when he was halfway out the door. I'm beginning to think that if we'd failed to sell someone like Obertan even he'd start over Martial.I'm sure the Young quote meant he was in the squad but if he got minutes ahead of Martial.......
Very poor management here. He might be trying to build character but he is openly making a show of Martial and it's affecting the team. The smile fact is that the results are a lot better when AM plays. He has played better than JG and MR all season, but has been nowhere near his own level. That's disappointing but still enough for him to be playing.
JM seems to put this kind of aggro before the important stuff. The Stoke result was his fault, he picked a bad team and needs to get it right this time.
JM seems to put this kind of aggro before the important stuff. The Stoke result was his fault, he picked a bad team and needs to get it right this time.
I've been a fan of everything Jose has done up to this point, but this situation is bizarre and he's coming across as a bit of dick.
Just doesn't seem necessary.
Just doesn't seem necessary.
I think the phrase Jose is expecting from Martial is "Yes, it's my fault. I need to work harder to start for this great club". C'mon boy, do it and you can play. Worked like a charm for Miki
Have we lost against Hull already?
I don't get why Jose is talking about Mkhitaryan, he plays on the RW most of the time, Martial was better than any of our other options on the left recently.
The Griezmann thing must be true, I starting too believe it. Mourinho knows there is a high chance that the longer this goes on Martial might throw his toys out of the pram and demand to be transferred. Then in the end all eyes will be on Martial for being a disloyal cnut.
As much as i love Mikhi he wasn't MOTM vs. Wigan, BFS was.
If this quote is true than he is really trying to make a villain of Martial and portrait him as a lazy fek so he can justify selling him in the summer.
Just dreadful man management, looking more and more like KDB, Lukaku, Robben etc, by the second.
If this quote is true than he is really trying to make a villain of Martial and portrait him as a lazy fek so he can justify selling him in the summer.
Just dreadful man management, looking more and more like KDB, Lukaku, Robben etc, by the second.
I really hope Mourinho knows what he is doing. Losing Martial would be a travesty, unless we replace him with someone better or equal like Dembele or Mbappe, but how likely is that?
Two assists and one disallowed goal. This is not about Martial anymore. This is all Jose. He better hope we win.
I think the difference is that Miki got repayed for his hard work and delivering while Martial has found himself left out of the squad entirely despite much improved performances.
Since the start of January Martial has has a surge in performances and delivered quite regularly(Boro, Reading,Wigan) and the only game he was a bit average like the rest of the team was the Liverpool one but in the space of those games he's found himself dropped out of the team or benched, that's simply not fair to the kid. He's been our best winger in that time period yet he's been the most dropped winger in our team, it doesn't seem quite right.
Mourinho has to sort out his handling of the guy, this is almost bullying.
Well at least we'll have another great option on the bench, unlike we did for Stoke game.
On the other hand seems that only Martial needs to impress in order to get into starting the line-up.
On the other hand seems that only Martial needs to impress in order to get into starting the line-up.
Agreed. He played pretty well against Wigan.
This is what makes this situation unfair to the guy, and ironically he's actually performed recently yet still benched or dropped regardless.
Well at least it's now clear that Mou doesn't really fancy Martial which is a real shame.
Interesting enough, Martial was MOTM vs. both Stoke and Middlesbrough yet he was dropped for the next match.
A bit hypocritical, guess same standards don't apply for everyone.
Yes, pretty much that.
Looks a bit strange. Martial did take the opportunity with both hands as what Jose wanted and did well in the cup match. Was Jose expecting him to shoot twice into the top corner?
Yes, I was wondering the same. Mkhi should obviously start but on the right. Don't know why Jose wants to play him on the left. This leaves just Mata and Lingard for the RW spot. We need to have atleast one winger to run at the defense to give us more options. Also, what more does Jose expect Martial to do to earn a spot. He certainly was more influential than Mata against Wigan.
The contrast with his treatment of Fellaini is ludicrous in its double standards. Felli can lose us a match and get booed but play the next game. Such double standards and unfair treatment are terrible for overall squad harmony. Starting to see what went wrong at Chelsea now.
Whether we agree with Mourinho or not he did threw down the Gauntlet at Martial and challenged him to be magnificent against Wigan if he wanted to start against Hull.
Overall his performance was promising but still fell quite short of what could be deemed as magnificent even by some one like me who fully support his claim in the first team so Mourinho though harsh is within his right to not start Martial against Hull.
Other thing I like to add because some poster would argue that he is our best option on the left and has been gradually improving so he should regularly start I fully agree with them because I think Rashford, Lingard are mostly underwhelming when they start they simply aren't good enough as first team material and Mkhitaryan according to me best suited to right.
But that was the case even before the Wigan game and still Mourinho stated Martial needed to be magnificent to retain his place going forward which Martial unfortunately fell short of so he needs to grin and bear it and wait for another opportunity which would soon come to stake his claim.
Overall his performance was promising but still fell quite short of what could be deemed as magnificent even by some one like me who fully support his claim in the first team so Mourinho though harsh is within his right to not start Martial against Hull.
Other thing I like to add because some poster would argue that he is our best option on the left and has been gradually improving so he should regularly start I fully agree with them because I think Rashford, Lingard are mostly underwhelming when they start they simply aren't good enough as first team material and Mkhitaryan according to me best suited to right.
But that was the case even before the Wigan game and still Mourinho stated Martial needed to be magnificent to retain his place going forward which Martial unfortunately fell short of so he needs to grin and bear it and wait for another opportunity which would soon come to stake his claim.
Hardly a fair situation to put a 21 year old player in, that if he isn't 'magnificent' he will not start next game. The fact that Martial can still be so dangerous when he is not at his best is the exact reason you would/should play him in every game imo.
Read a stat that he's been involved in 0.96 goals per 90 minutes this season.
So averaging a goal or assist per game.
I can understand that he should be held to a higher standard than some of the other players but it seems unfair to pick him out that much.
So averaging a goal or assist per game.
I can understand that he should be held to a higher standard than some of the other players but it seems unfair to pick him out that much.
I read somewhere on the forum that we have to pay out £10m if/when Martial makes a couple more appearances; any truth in this?
I absolutely agree with you Martial situation is being grossly mismanaged by Mourinho and undue pressure is being exerted which could spectacularly backfire but the point I was trying to make was Mourinho's hypocrisy and double standard when it comes to Martial performace was already established and he is now just sticking to his absurd position.
I can see why Jose didn't rate Martials performance against Wigan. He got two assists without really excelling for me. But i think there were a few big moments where Martial let himself down, one in particular where he just completely stopped tracking back when Shaw was out of the game and Rojo was 2v1. There was ample opportunity for Martial to help but he just stopped still and Rojo ended up bollocking him. It was a really strange moment.
Its bizarre and I fail to believe its the real reason as its so inconsistent. When Zlatan went through his goal scoring drought, which is the main reason we are in 6th place, he didn't drop him from the squad repeatedly, insist on him magnificent, drop him if he only gets two assists. But what the real reason is I have no idea. Its a massive gamble that Martial will put in hat trick magnificent performances for a run of games. Great if he does but seems to be setting him up to fail. And that will see Martial off in the Summer and may well send our season off course. Don't see the need to make sure a big gamble but he did it with Mhki too. If we were in Chelsea's position we might be able to afford such a risk but not where we are.
Think it's quite obvious that Martial will be sold in the summer.
Mourinho's playing Mikhi on the left and Mata on the right basically to prepare the team for Griezmann coming.
He'll continue on the right and Mikhi on the left.
Others perform worse than Martial and don't get this treatment. I'm shocked the club are allowing him to be such a petty cnut towards the kid - especially one this hugely talented. It's like he's punishing him for some personal reason. We looked so bloody toothless against Hull the last game, that we're crying out for pace and unpredictability. Martial and Miki seem to work well, why not just keep things that way?
I am praying someone close to Martial advises him to keep his head down, his mouth shut, and do a BFS if Mourinho is indeed trying to get rid of him.
I am praying someone close to Martial advises him to keep his head down, his mouth shut, and do a BFS if Mourinho is indeed trying to get rid of him.
I hope you're wrong. With the right management, Martial has a higher ceiling than Griezemann - who cannot improve much more - unlike Martial. By all means if they want Griezemann, but it's a big mistake to let go of Martial. We will so regret that.
This automatically excludes Mourinho and his pety antics.
I know. Let's see how we go, but I can't believe the unnecessary pressure on the kid. Shocked the club allow this shit. He's not SAF, he has us in 6th place. Everything about this is fecking weird.
It doesn't pay to become too attached to players. For instance, I was incensed when we sold RVP, but you don't read me going on and on about it; well, not after the first 4000 posts anyway. Buy him back, you bastids. Why oh why did you leave me, Wobin? *blubs* Why? Whhyyyyyyyyyyyy? And so on. Ahem.
TL;DR: Football life goes on long after our favourites have been sold by stoopid managers.
TL;DR: Football life goes on long after our favourites have been sold by stoopid managers.
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That's Mourinho. He brings short term success, but brings his pety antics and appalling attitude as well.
I think I know what Mourinho is doing here. Pushing the kid beyond limit. It's a risky approach but one I'm willing to go along with. If Martial comes out of this successfully, I believe he will definitely be one of the best players in football after a few years.
There is a poor mentality in the squad. Mourinho is challenging ALL his players because he wants to create a winning mentality. I think that's why he always goes for the league cup early in the season. He's essentially saying to the players: Work hard, and you'll get a taste of silverware THIS quickly. What he's trying to do is create that mentality by showing them that if they follow him they can get silverware really quickly, early on in the season. Get them used to winning, which can't be done with a tough mentality.
I don't think it will work with Martial though.
I don't think it will work with Martial though.
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