I don't have the feeling Martial is this type of guy. Only 21 years of age as well. Looks more like the guy that needs an arm around the shoulder. I could be talking bollox of course but that's my impression. I'm not sure this is the right way to treat him tbh. I really think he deserves to start against Hull today. Was very good against Wigan.
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I don't have the feeling Martial is this type of guy. Only 21 years of age as well. Looks more like the guy that needs an arm around the shoulder. I could be talking bollox of course but that's my impression. I'm not sure this is the right way to treat him tbh. I really think he deserves to start against Hull today. Was very good against Wigan.
Honestly Stevie, it's not an attachment to Martial as such for me. The way I look at it is whether or not it's in the best interests' of the club. I don't believe it is.
Look, the kid needs pushing and a bollocking where needed - however, I take issue with Mourinho's approach. I don't believe making a public spectacle of this is the right way to deal with this sort of personality.
It's a shame SAF isn't the one in charge - he would so get Martial firing without the need for all the mind games.
Perhaps that's because he's treating him differently to the other players?
Yeah look what Mourinho did for the mentality of the Chelsea players last year when he dug them out in public.
People who think Mourinho could get better player out of Martial by benching him and criticising him are very silly. This isn't really how life works, this is not a movie ffs. Benching player after good performances, not playing him even though he is your best option in that left wing position is just stupid and has nothing to do with Mourinho making him better players, these are just Mourinho's principles and something similar that he did at previous clubs before he sold that player and made him better somewhere else. Ultimately, we have no idea what this is really about, but based purely on what we fans see, and that's just their performances on the pitch, Martial definitely deserves to start more and anyone who disagrees with that is quite obviously far up Mourinho's arse.
Can all the treatment of martial by mourinho to do with his agent? Mourinho did say something along the lines of he needs to listen to me more not his agent, and apparently zlatan had a word about that too. Maybe mourinho wants martial to ditch his agent and take on mourinho's pal jorge mendes
I've been behind jose's treatment so far but I don't get why he is getting benched tonight. Who can play instead is irrelevant to the point but Martial had two bits of real quality in the last game, three if you include the disallowed goal. He may not have been involved throughout the game but couple of bits of top quality is how zlatan goes about his game and he won't get dropped when he can play.
Haha when he posts that, it means he's involved.
I'm sure Mikhi played with Martial the other day. Infact I'm sure they combined for a great counter attacking goal. Why is it one or the other?
Mikhis best games come from the right or centre this season. Martial is clearly a left sided player.
So who else? Lingard? Mata? Young?
Mikhis best games come from the right or centre this season. Martial is clearly a left sided player.
So who else? Lingard? Mata? Young?
It's one of the club's posts IMO. Either they have some control over their accounts or they are told what to post. There's a particular format all the players follow.
And Mou gives him public backing while Martial has to go through public trials. Stuff like these get me a bit iffy when it comes to players treatment by their managers.
I agree with you. Think it's more likely to do the opposite and push him away, Especially considering how bad his agent appears to be getting in his ear. It's very frustrating to see him treat like this though, Especially while Lingard can do no wrong for example when he is mediocre to poor every game and Rashford starting out wide generally doesn't work either.
Lingard will start tonight, which obviously he has deserved after months of great form and running around alot.
I think it's him or his team, he only posts that when he's in the squad to feature.
He once posted it, got a knock on the day and then removed it because he knew he wasn't going to be involved
I think he's simply trying to toughen him up, but it might backfire. Players are different and you can't use the same tactic, hoping one size fits all.
Being involved as a starter or just as a bench warmer?
Can't tell if this is a compliment or a backhanded one
In fairness to Lingard his work ethic dovetails well with someone like Martial's more natural talents.Martial was good against Wigan for me, my man of the match I think actually. I'm surprised his second half performance doesn't warrant a start in the next game.
Anyone else think Jose is making a bigger issue than there needs to be? I mean, why does he keep singling out Martial when he talks with the press? Very odd. Lets hope Martial does a Mkhitaryan and comes back stronger and proves his worth.
Anyone else think Jose is making a bigger issue than there needs to be? I mean, why does he keep singling out Martial when he talks with the press? Very odd. Lets hope Martial does a Mkhitaryan and comes back stronger and proves his worth.
Maybe he was asked about him?
Just within the squad, either way.
Maybe they did, I don't know. Doesn't have to answer though.
He will probably play anyway, it's just mind games.
He didn't say "he will be on the bench" like how the press have twisted it, he said his performance was "good enough for the bench", as in good enough to be part of the squad at least. He's neither confirming it was an amazing performance (it was probably 8/10) and neither saying he wasn't good enough either. Martial knows he needs to keep on his toes.
He didn't say "he will be on the bench" like how the press have twisted it, he said his performance was "good enough for the bench", as in good enough to be part of the squad at least. He's neither confirming it was an amazing performance (it was probably 8/10) and neither saying he wasn't good enough either. Martial knows he needs to keep on his toes.
3-4 pages now and 15 more if he doesn't start tonight. It's ridiculous how fixated people are with this issue.
@Lawman, see why I didn't mention Martial as being here next season? Just don't think he'd be happy hardly getting games next season when Griezmann comes in and Mourinho will be fine with letting him go.
That's correct. He's only behind Ibrahimovic and Rooney in terms of contributions this season.
And over our last 10 games he's second only to Ibra in terms of contributions
Yeah, I know it sucks for those who like Martial but Mourinho did say he'd need to be magnificent against Wigan to get in starting lineup. He ended up having to have a position swap and didn't score, so though he set up two goals I don't think it could be called magnificent by Mourinho's standards.
Hopefully he'll get picked to come off the bench tonight, and with more than ten minutes remaining of the game to try and make an impact.
That doesn't sound like he'll be starting. I reckon it'll be Rashford on the left side and Mkhitaryan on the right.
Who is more depressed Martial or Mourinho? Where are the experts?
Fecking arm chair psychologists on here assessing what Martial needs , you've never had a conversation with the lad in your life perhaps his fecking manager might have more of an idea what drives him.
If Jose thinks some short term management of the player to fix his attitude will see long term rewards so be it.
, you've never had a conversation with the lad in your life perhaps his fecking manager might have more of an idea what drives him. If Jose thinks some short term management of the player to fix his attitude will see long term rewards so be it.
According to Andy mitten:
So it seems that Mourinho's concerns are not solely related to performance on the pitch and maybe he needs to be put in his place and fight for his spot.
How anyone can criticise a manager for giving a player who has been below his best most of the season some tough love and real motivation is beyond me.
The team and the results are getting better, so people got to have something to complain about.
It's looking more and more likely that we will wave goodbye to Martial's career at OT. Mourinho only seems to have one method of man management - tough love. While it may work well on some players like Mikhi, others aren't suited for it like De Bruyne and Martial.
I remember reading that Fergie was very wise and adapatable in this regard. He would be much tougher on some players than others because some could handle it and would see it as a source of motivation, whereas others would get annoyed/sad and lose that motivation to improve and fight for their place. It's all very well and good telling players to effectively "man up", but we're all wired and respond differently.
I remember reading that Fergie was very wise and adapatable in this regard. He would be much tougher on some players than others because some could handle it and would see it as a source of motivation, whereas others would get annoyed/sad and lose that motivation to improve and fight for their place. It's all very well and good telling players to effectively "man up", but we're all wired and respond differently.
IMO he's sending a message to Martial, play well every game and you'll be picked. I guess we will only see tonight.
Because replacing him with a less talented, equally under performing player isn't good for the team or results.
Surely you don't have to read all this chat. Nobody's holding you at the gunpoint and forcing you to do it.
Rashford is a good replacement, we also have Mata who can play right and Mhiki left. So... Martial up your game. I think thats fair from Mourinho. TBH I have a feeling Martial starts tonight anyway
Well we dont know how Martial will react to all this and will he man up.
I've decided to stop being angry with Jose over Martial's treatment, he's made some bad decisions in the past with youngsters but Martial looks like he's happy here (basically said as much) he'll get plenty of opportunities, I think Mourinho's being hard on him because he's such an enormous talent who hasn't been applying himself this season, not entirely his fault with the number change fiasco and his wife etc but the point still stands. Jose was justified benching him up until Christmas when he started showing some form again.
What this season will have taught Tony is that he should never take his place for granted, especially when you have players like Mata and Mkhitaryan fighting for your position. He'll be here for years to come I think and we'll all look back on this and think it was a good learning curve for him.
What this season will have taught Tony is that he should never take his place for granted, especially when you have players like Mata and Mkhitaryan fighting for your position. He'll be here for years to come I think and we'll all look back on this and think it was a good learning curve for him.
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