Martial hardly plays as a striker and I doubt we would start the season with only Rashford and Morata as our strikers unless Rooney is still here which in all likelihood is very much possible.
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Thats exactly how I see us lining up against park the bus teams. I think Morata can play as an SS #10 in the way that Griezmann does. Only this way can I see us scoring enough goals. I do think we will see Perisic or similar (Costa/Moura) come in too.
I think Jose won't want to rely on either Martial or Rashford for goals next season. They will still get chances to shine in rotation.
Exactly.
People forgetting the small little detail that the guy who scored 28 goals for us has left. Morata is basically covering his goals. We need to add to that now.
If we go in next season with Morata and Rashford as our main strikers than we learnt nothing from the past two seasons.
If we're playing a formation with one striker (4231 or 433) then having three strikers (Morata, Martial, Rashford) is more than enough and thats usually how Mourinho plays i.e with one real striker. If Mourinho will switch to two strikers (442 or 352) he could still play two of the three guys, its less cover but still possible. I just cant see him going for two strikers in one window.
Martial fancies himself as a striker but maybe Mourinho sees him as a winger or doesnt see him at United at all. As for Rooney, him staying or leaving makes zero difference we need to move on past him.
Because our attack is in desperate need of strengthening, significantly.
Martial isn't a good striker and Jose clearly doesn't rate him highly. It's well and good saying we have X amount of players, but that's just arguing quantity over quality.
Reading a few posts it seems some posters are still too far up Rashford's arse to recognise the need for an established goalscorer in the team outside of Morata. I'm not sure if Belotti is the man but it's difficult to argue against 23 yr old with 26 goals for a mid-table club in Italy. It's also quite laughable for anyone to claim he'd be behind Rashford if he joined.
People saying that Morata will be playing support striker like Griezmann would have if he signed, have probably never seen either play.
Never made the argument about quality of course we need more quality. It just seems to me that we are not after another striker and that Belotti was a backup plan. I think that Mourinho will go for a winger/#10 and it seems like Perisic is that guy.
Perisic has a conversion rate of around 10% which is absolutely garbage, no way Mourinho will be happy going into next season with the prospect of having less goals in the squad than we had last season. Another striker makes perfect sense.
Quite sure you can force a few striker names in most teams. That doesn't mean none of them are lacking enough of the right quality.
Perisic is a winger, and yeah we need a quality winger (Martial has been shite and Rashford can't carry that position).. But we still need to share the goal burden and plug our weakness in that regard. Perisic is not a goalscorer.
I think Mourinho has been very open about the need for someone who knows where the goal is. Morata is one player like that but I'd be surprised if we still didn't go for Belotti because he just scores for fun and has Mourinho's style of play written all over him.
Agreed, they are both #9's and not suited to the role off the striker, I think the Belotti stuff is just a back up option in case the Morata deal falls through, we do need another goal source without doubt but it needs to be one that compliments Morata.
4-3-3 Belotti & Morata & Mikhi /Rashford/Perisic/Mata/Martial/Lingard should be good enough. With the latter 6 rotate based on form.
Lets say that Martial is shite as a striker (totally disagree with this) that leaves Rashfrod and Morata (hopefully) as your two choices. They can either start together or Rashford will be benched depending on the formation we'll play and the actual positions Mourinho wants them to play.
Now, how do you see Belotti fitting in? Surely he and Morata would both have to start they're not coming to be bench warmers right? What would you do with Rashford/Martial in that case?
I cant see Mourinho getting two strikers in one window, I cant remember him doing that in his other clubs (please do remind me if he did) and I dont necessarily think he should. It would make more sense to make up for the lack of goals with a new striker (Morata) and a winger/playmaker (scoring and assisting.). Regarding Persic, i'm not saying thats who Mourinho should go for but it seems like thats the case.
We need goals, i am afraid. Replacing Ibra with Morata is fine, and adding Perisic on the wing is nice, but that isnt enough. If we want to challenge, we need more. Either goals from the wing or behind the striker or with another striker if we play both up front. Cant rely on Martial/Rashford/Lingard and i bet Mourinho wont. Since we dont seem interested in James and we dont get linked to other wingers/scoring midfielders, i assume we could well be in for Belotti
Times reckon he is a target even after we sign Morata along with Perisic and Barkley.
Martial was pretty shite last season and he's played a small handful of games as a striker for us since he joined. I don't want to rule him off completely but he's certainly a long way away from being a number 9 for a club like ours. Rashford has reacted brilliantly to Mourinho's attitude expectations, but again he's far off becoming a regular striker for us (as promising as he looks).
It's a good question, but I think Belotti is more adaptable positionally than Morata is and might well suit a false 9 role (that Griezmann operated last year with Torres/Gameiro up top). Put it this way, we weren't looking to get Greizmann in and play him up top alone, so its clear Mourinho wants multiple recruitment in a centrally focused attacking area on top of Perisic. Belotti may have played as the main man up top for Torino but his tenacious playing style and industrious method of play makes him quite adaptable anywhere across the pitch. That, and he scores for fun. Rashford may grow to be a better striker, but the boy is 19 and probably 3-4 years too soon for our first XI.
I also can't see this happening if Morata joins. No way Morata has come here to play as a wide player or a number 10. Also, he didn't come here to fight for his place as a striker. IMO if he comes he will certainly lead the line next season... Maybe if we change the system but then again I feel Mourinho prefers 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.
Maybe we are putting in simultaneous bids in and seeing what is accepted, rather putting our eggs all in one basket, as i cant see both coming. Would rather see the 65m or 70m spent on winger/forward
He looks a tap in king.
I get the impression that Torino would be really difficult to deal with. Similar to Spurs with Daniel Levy. They insist on not taking any less than 100m Euros by the looks of it.
We bought Darmian from Torino without any trouble. Our relationship with them seems to be very good.
They're hardly going to say "yeah feck it we'll take €25m" like telling the press it's €100m or nothing is a negotiation tactic.
For anything over £50m, surely we should be splashing that on Alexis Sanchez instead?
If this guy is going to cost anywhere near his buyout clause, i'd rather we go in for Sanchez or Aubameyang instead. Belotti does seem to purely be a poacher, and the others offer more, and probably end up costing less too. I wouldn't be upset if we did get Belotti, as a poacher could work very well for us as we've clearly struggled to score and if he can be clinical then he'll be welcome. But, i'd prefer the others in the first instance.
Because we've lost Zlatan and hopefully Rooney.
With the players we have been linked to could we be gearing up to play 5-3-2?
GK - Dave
RWB - Valencia
LWB - Perisic (?)
CB - Lindelof
CB - Bailly
CB - Rojo
MC - Fabinho
MC - Pogba
MC - Herrera
ST - Morata
ST - Bellotti
I like the system. Gives you 8 players in central areas and crucially two centre forwards without compromising on the three CMs which Jose will always want. Not saying we would do this every week but would be a great option
GK - Dave
RWB - Valencia
LWB - Perisic (?)
CB - Lindelof
CB - Bailly
CB - Rojo
MC - Fabinho
MC - Pogba
MC - Herrera
ST - Morata
ST - Bellotti
I like the system. Gives you 8 players in central areas and crucially two centre forwards without compromising on the three CMs which Jose will always want. Not saying we would do this every week but would be a great option
At least when we sign both Morata and Belotti people will have a harder time blindly believing 4-3-3 is the way we're going.
We have a great track record of buying strikers from Torino! Thinking about it, he is very much in the "kings" mould...
I don't see the point in getting two strikers. Plus our attacking balance needs to be right first before we try to accommodate two number 9's.
I dont think you know how the caf works
It doesnt matter what personnel we have at the club there will always be fans that think they have the secret code to playing football and try to force it onto the team.
We could play 4-4-2, letting Rashford flourish. Plus our attacking balance was alright last season, we just couldn't finish the amount of chances we had.
I guess everyone decided that we need this guy now, I just cant see it. Think we need a different type of attacking player not a striker. Unless Mourinho sees Morata as a second striker which i doubt very much.
You can't see why we need a poacher, an opportunistic striker who has some kind of a clue where the ball will fall?
Whats the difference between a poachers goal and another strikers goal? Surely a goal is a goal. We need goals so any type will do at this rate.
why wouldn't we need a prolific goal scorer?
Why is this thread still running when Morata is pretty much done? Can't see Jose going for two new strikers, unless one of them was named Antoine.
Wild guess, we're still being linked with him.
Morata is that guy for me.
Can't see us signing both, think it's just keeping a back up option alive in case Morata falls through
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