Andre Gomes

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So Valencia would like us to play £40m, or more for a player who has potential. I think it's about time we started buying players who've already arrived for £40m. We shouldn't pay more than 15m for players with potential, unless our scouts are totally certain of them (as in Martial-type potential). I don't see Martial-type potential here. Look what kind of box-to-box midfielder Juventus got for next to nothing. Let's do more of that and less of the £40m on prospects.
But that's how the market is these days. Clubs are buying more for potential than for finished articles because it's easier and the ceiling on those players is... potentially... much higher. These are educated gambles and they're played out constantly each transfer window.

These finished articles also tend to have their eyes set on specific clubs/managers, which shuts down negotiations at the enquiry stage whereas the other types are more open to moves and balance out their fee with a lower, incentive-based wage.

The selling clubs would be fools to sell their prized assets for anything but the most exorbitant fee they can get, so it's going to be an everpresent fixture in the modern transfer window.

He seems too passive for me... talented for sure, but he doesn't take control of games like the best players. Maybe its just because I think we are crying out for a modric type in the middle, but he is not that at all and would need a more advanced role. Don't think he has it in him to become that type of player either.
Yes, passive is probably the word that comes to mind for me too. He looks tidy and decent enough, but not like a player who is going to do everything in his power to put his mark on a game or affect it when things aren't going well for his team. Maybe that's to do with his age, or maybe it's his personality or mentality, whatever it is, it makes me think we should be scouring the market for alternatives at the touted prices.

He looks like £25m or so player with the potential to be maybe £10m better than that, imo. He needs more thrust and impetus, or better perhaps, an incentive-based contract where if he meets the outlined standards, Valencia get their add-ons. Don't know where that would leave us, mind, because he plays in a key position we don't have the time or supplemental quality to nuture from - we can't carry anyone in a starting position and if he's not currently good enough to claim a start, will he get the playing time needed to develop in a season where Jose and the club will be desperate to make an impression?
 
Anyone think Mourinho might buy him just to stick one up at Chelsea?

On a serious note though, I wouldn't want him for the money being thrown about. Id rather use the money and grab Kante from Leicester, we have Rooney in CM and need someone more defensive minded beside him to allow Rooney to save energy for opening up defences. I think Rooney expended too much energy in most games helping out all over the pitch and needs to focus on his own position more (not fully neglecting defending).
 
I don't United should pay anything more than £20m for him - and even that's being generous. Not keen on him and I hope we aren't in for him as I've never seen him play well. There seems to be much better players out there and probably cheaper.
 
Have to say I'm just not seeing what some people seemingly are, yes neat and tidy, but he hardly looks like the player who will be the driving force in our midfield, which for £40 m + he should be.

We already have some very good players in midfield who if they find consistency (Herrera espcially), and stay injury free (Schweinsteigier), then I'm not sure there's a need for a player like this right now.

I'd be all over Kante, or players that you know are top class already - Kroos, Pogba, etc, but If this fella was to be our only midfield signing, and it cost us any of our current midfielder's except Fellaini then I'd be disappointed.
 
Have to say I'm just not seeing what some people seemingly are, yes neat and tidy, but he hardly looks like the player who will be the driving force in our midfield, which for £40 m + he should be.

We already have some very good players in midfield who if they find consistency (Herrera espcially), and stay injury free (Schweinsteigier), then I'm not sure there's a need for a player like this right now.

I'd be all over Kante, or players that you know are top class already - Kroos, Pogba, etc, but If this fella was to be our only midfield signing, and it cost us any of our current midfielder's except Fellaini then I'd be disappointed.

I'm still open minded on him, probably because he could be easily swayed into the Jose disciple mode and develop well but as of right now, all hypothetical scenarios aside, I find myself understanding this point of view more.
 
I don't think he's too overly different from Herrera(who I don't rate much) and I would be disappointed if he was the only signing we made in midfield.
 
Those players have proven themselves at club level though, time and time again. Gomes is coming off a pretty poor season for Valencia.

See even proven players can struggle in an international cup competition, which is exactly my point. But as I said, I myself haven't seen anything from Gomes so far to get me excited. I am curious and skeptical at the same time owing to the fact that I don't know much about him. Either way, not too fussed.
 
See even proven players can struggle in an international cup competition, which is exactly my point. But as I said, I myself haven't seen anything from Gomes so far to get me excited. I am curious and skeptical at the same time owing to the fact that I don't know much about him. Either way, not too fussed.

Sure, I just feel like some people are starting to use this excuse a bit too frivolously.
 
Why do we need him when we have Herrera? who's arguably better as well.
 
Apparently on here we have a lot of football experts who are better than Mourinho at judging how good a player is.
 
Well he was fecking shite last night. And the game before. Better than Herrera or otherwise.
 
Did you watch the game? He was Portugal's best MF on the pitch.

I did. And he wasn't. He achieved almost nothing. Joao Mario created more when he came on for 20 minutes. Carvalho was doing his best to make Gomes look good though tbf. Can't believe Sanches isn't getting a game over that shower we saw last night.
 
Anyone think Mourinho might buy him just to stick one up at Chelsea?

On a serious note though, I wouldn't want him for the money being thrown about. Id rather use the money and grab Kante from Leicester, we have Rooney in CM and need someone more defensive minded beside him to allow Rooney to save energy for opening up defences. I think Rooney expended too much energy in most games helping out all over the pitch and needs to focus on his own position more (not fully neglecting defending).
Are we even trying to buy him?
 
For 40m or whatever his fee will be, Valencia will be laughing all the way to the bank. Another decent to good midfielder, that is just overrated for his technique and dribbling skills, that just stand out mainly on his youtube clips.

Would be surprised if we bought him.
 
For 40m or whatever his fee will be, Valencia will be laughing all the way to the bank. Another decent to good midfielder, that is just overrated for his technique and dribbling skills, that just stand out mainly on his youtube clips.

Would be surprised if we bought him.
Mourinho knows more than you, though. :nono:
 
Why the Zidane comparisons? How? Not even close.

Physically perhaps, but the rest, no.
 
Why the Zidane comparisons? How? Not even close.

Physically perhaps, but the rest, no.

Physically not even close either. Zidane had great acceleration and strength. Gomes' are only ok.
 
Watched him carefully over the past two games at the Euros. Efficient and good overall skills at CM but nothing to write home about. Agree with most on here that he is nowhere near 40m.
 
Zidane's good looking? Fair enough. :lol:
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About on par I feel. Quite symmetrical.
 
I thought you guys had a 32m bid rejected and they wanted 42m
I heard that as well. It depends where the link came from. The club, who may have been looking to raise the sale price for Juventus; the agent looking to drum up interest in the player; or a news agency on a slow day. I also wouldnt be surprised if clubs cold call other clubs all over europe every transfer window to see which players are and arent available and how much they'd cost before drawing up their final transfer plans. obviously thats not the same as bidding on a player or even genuinely being interested.
 
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he didn't seem any special in euros but didn't seem trash like worldies Martial or Kane either and somebody also forgot to mention that he's played way out of position, he's not a winger ffs..
 
I heard that as well. It depends where the link came from. The club, who may have been looking to raise the sale price for Juventus; the agent looking to drum up interest in the player; or a news agency on a slow day. I also wouldnt be surprised if clubs cold call other clubs all over europe every transfer window to see which players are and arent available and how much they'd cost before drawing up their final transfer plans. obviously thats not the same as bidding on a player or even genuinely being interested.
Yea I think I remember getting a SkySports notification through about it so maybe the story was from their sources?? But I agree so far anything SkySports have came up with has been hit and miss and just drumming up some news. That's sounds plausible that they would phone round and see how much each player costs before deciding on who to bid for.

Gomes looks a very good player but hes not an upgrade on what we have at the minute (Herrera). Perhaps if Chelsea are interested there looking at him as a replacement for Fabregas? With the right coaching who says he couldn't become a lot better.
 
I did. And he wasn't. He achieved almost nothing. Joao Mario created more when he came on for 20 minutes. Carvalho was doing his best to make Gomes look good though tbf. Can't believe Sanches isn't getting a game over that shower we saw last night.
Really how? Gomes had a neat and tidy game, created a couple of chances and drove the ball well while playing out of position.

Sanches and Gomes play completely different positions.
 
Really how? Gomes had a neat and tidy game, created a couple of chances and drove the ball well while playing out of position.

Sanches and Gomes play completely different positions.

Neat and tidy isn't his job, he's there to create. He does nothing. And his passing isn't even very accurate, never mind creative.
 
Really how? Gomes had a neat and tidy game, created a couple of chances and drove the ball well while playing out of position.

Sanches and Gomes play completely different positions.

Neat and tidy isn't his job, he's there to create. He does nothing. And his passing isn't even very accurate, never mind creative.

Stats for you 2 to duke it out with:

Passes - 48/55 (87.3%)
Forward passes - 27/31
Attacking third passes - 15/20
Chances created - 2
Shots - 1 (off target)
Crosses - 1/4
Take ons - 2/3
Ball recoveries - 7
Tackles - 3/4
Fouls given - 0
Fouls taken - 0
 
Nothing special about this guy. We already have a similar type of player like him that is herrera. Passing was very sloppy at times and also had no impact whatsoever. If he can't dictate play like a modric I don't see the point of wasting money on him. Thank God for the euros. We are able to see most of these players for what they really are.
As apples to a 38 game season where they play with the same team every week.

Thank god for the Euro's, really exposed Ronaldo for what he really is:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Stats for you 2 to duke it out with:

Passes - 48/55 (87.3%)
Forward passes - 27/31
Attacking third passes - 15/20
Chances created - 2
Shots - 1 (off target)
Crosses - 1/4
Take ons - 2/3
Ball recoveries - 7
Tackles - 3/4
Fouls given - 0
Fouls taken - 0

Is this good? I genuinely have no idea. 55 doesn't seem a lot of passes for a playmaker in a short passing team but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, I thought he was pish the other night for the most part even if his stats are OK.
 
As apples to a 38 game season where they play with the same team every week.

Thank god for the Euro's, really exposed Ronaldo for what he really is:rolleyes::rolleyes:
I didn't imply he is a bad player but not just the magician we are expecting. He is a solid player like herrera and when you look at our team we have a lot of solid midfielders. He really doesn't offer anything different to most of the midfielders we have or need.
 
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