Andre Gomes

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If I'd never heard of him then I'd be impressed with his performances. He's a pretty decent player.

The problem is I've seen youtube compilations calling him 'The Modern Day Zidane' and read press saying he's been chased by some of the biggest clubs in the world. I'm constantly expecting him to wow me and instead he just plays fairly well every time.
 
Nothing special about this guy. We already have a similar type of player like him that is herrera. Passing was very sloppy at times and also had no impact whatsoever. If he can't dictate play like a modric I don't see the point of wasting money on him. Thank God for the euros. We are able to see most of these players for what they really are.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Did you watch Leicester, like, at all this season? He isn't the greatest passer but his carrying the ball, distribution and agility are very good and he is definitely far, far more than simply a defensive screen.
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I did, but he doesn't have the offensive capabilities of a box to box player. He's got the engine and he does often swap places with Drinkwater, but I have seen nothing to think he can offer anything offensively. He's being pretty much used in the same way for France at the Euros as well.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Can you suggest to me one midfielder who will cost less than or equal to 42m pounds and can improve the team in a box to box role available in the market? I don't ask this to scorn at you, but I am asking genuinely.
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Saul Niguez..?
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I think he was pretty impressive.

A lot on here feel as if hes got the potential to improve, if so, could be well worth purchasing.
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So Valencia would like us to play £40m, or more for a player who has potential. I think it's about time we started buying players who've already arrived for £40m. We shouldn't pay more than 15m for players with potential, unless our scouts are totally certain of them (as in Martial-type potential). I don't see Martial-type potential here. Look what kind of box-to-box midfielder Juventus got for next to nothing. Let's do more of that and less of the £40m on prospects.
 
Akash said:
I'm not really 'infatuated' with him. Think he's a top talent though and if he gets it together he'll become a world class #8. Wouldn't be too fussed if we don't get him either.
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Could've fooled me. Haven't seen you with this much vigour over a player, well, ever. Praising that is.
 
It's best to not draw any conclusions based on few matches in euros. Plenty of very good players have under performed and plenty average Joes will punch above their weight. So far though, nothing about Gomes have made me too excited.
 
In fairness to him, I didn't realise he was only 22, so he has plenty of time to improve.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Do you think he's attainable ? None of those Atletico players show any intent of leaving right now.
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Possibly not. Although Man Utd could easily offer him more money than Atleti ever could.

Wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Oli Torres either, if we're investing in potential.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Could've fooled me. Haven't seen you with this much vigour over a player, well, ever. Praising that is.
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:lol:

Rough times!

I don't think I've praised him too much really! More from a potential angle think he has everything in his locker. Up to Mourinho if he thinks the gamble is worth it.
 
Decent tonight. Not setting the world on fire but lets face it, the lesser teams are so well drilled defensively they make it hard by closing space so effectively.
 
#07 said:
Possibly not. Although Man Utd could easily offer him more money than Atleti ever could.
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Yeah, but with them doing so well in the La Liga and the UCL and having close bonds with Simeone, it's really hard to see the core group of players making a move.
 
I'm a big fan of his, but he seems to be playing it very safe so far this tournament. He has been tidy, but is capable of much more brilliance.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
So Valencia would like us to play £40m, or more for a player who has potential. I think it's about time we started buying players who've already arrived for £40m. We shouldn't pay more than 15m for players with potential, unless our scouts are totally certain of them (as in Martial-type potential). I don't see Martial-type potential here. Look what kind of box-to-box midfielder Juventus got for next to nothing. Let's do more of that and less of the £40m on prospects.
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I cant really say much as Ive only seen him play a limited number of times. However, if those in the key positions feel hes good enough, then Im not one to question them.
 
I find him a bit Mata type player in the sense that he looks good (although he barely touched the ball in the first half today) when things are going smoothly but tends to disappear as soon as going gets tough. Also I've some concerns regarding his stamina.

However, with proper guidance I think he can be moulded into a good box-to-box midfielder.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Can you suggest to me one midfielder who will cost less than or equal to 42m pounds and can improve the team in a box to box role available in the market? I don't ask this to scorn at you, but I am asking genuinely.
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You get potentially better players for less money. Andre Gomes wouldn't improve our midfield, he could long-term.
 
bucky said:
You get potentially better players for less money. Andre Gomes wouldn't improve our midfield, he could long-term.
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Hence, my question, can you suggest a few who are attainable ?
 
Akash said:
:lol:

Rough times!

I don't think I've praised him too much really! More from a potential angle think he has everything in his locker. Up to Mourinho if he thinks the gamble is worth it.
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Hah, yeah fair enough. I'm probably just subconsciously associating any time I've seen your name on the left side to praise as opposed to the more nuanced view you have.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I cant really say much as Ive only seen him play a limited number of times. However, if those in the key positions feel hes good enough, then Im not one to question them.
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Based on the judgement of the last two years 'they' called 3 signings out out 13 right (based on ability), but even 1 of those 3 wrong based on temperament. Not a fantastic record, which is, honestly, why I guess LvG had to go. Watching Gomes play (aged 22 going on 23), and Pogba play (aged 19) it's clear to me who the outstanding talent is. So how do professional scouts get it so wrong? If Mourinho wants him I hope it's not because he's Portuguese too!! It looks to me like all his 8/10 performances have been against piss-poor opposition, and he hasn't a single MotM performance.
 
He was decent tonight, neat and tidy is never seen as a compliment but that's what he was IMO.

Mark Pawelek said:
Based on the judgement of the last two years 'they' called 3 signings out out 13 right (based on ability), but even 1 of those 3 wrong based on temperament. Not a fantastic record, which is, honestly, why I guess LvG had to go. Watching Gomes play (aged 22 going on 23), and Pogba play (aged 19) it's clear to me who the outstanding talent is. So how do professional scouts get it so wrong? If Mourinho wants him I hope it's not because he's Portuguese too!! It looks to me like all his 8/10 performances have been against piss-poor opposition, and he hasn't a single MotM performance.
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Pogba is 23 as well.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Hence, my question, can you suggest a few who are attainable ?
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Potentially better players than Gomes won't necessarily improve our midfield either though. Tolisso, Rabiot, Dahoud, Goretzka and Kondogbia. Whether Rabiot is actually attainable is debatable. I'd argue that Goretzka and Dahoud aren't ready yet just like Gomes. Kante is definitely your best answer. Krychowiak could also operate as a box-to-box midfielder IMO.
 
bucky said:
Potentially better players than Gomes won't necessarily improve our midfield either though. Tolisso, Rabiot, Dahoud, Goretzka and Kondogbia. Whether Rabiot is actually attainable is debatable. I'd argue that Goretzka and Dahoud aren't ready yet just like Gomes. Kante is definitely your best answer. Krychowiak could also operate as a box-to-box midfielder IMO.
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Goretzka is an interesting one. Is he not slightly more defensive though ? Kondogbia is again more of a defensive mid. Rabiot, not really huge fan of, but I think many might like him here. I think apart from Krychowiak, not sure how many of them would improve the starting XI.
 
DWelbz19 said:
His passing looks very identical to Ander's. Very mediocre passing technique which means neither are really particularly creative. Herrera is very good on either foot too, and whilst Gomes is a lot better dribbling with the ball he isn't 'easily better' at the other side of technical stuff; first touch, close control, agility etc. all look similar.
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For me with the potential Gomes has he can be a level above Herrera. It's a question of whether he switches off and is too casual or is just playing it safe. He is still young for a central midfielder. Have to say watching Portugal play these past 2 games, I think without the dominating presence of Ronaldo they would overall function far better as a team.
 
bucky said:
Potentially better players than Gomes won't necessarily improve our midfield either though. Tolisso, Rabiot, Dahoud, Goretzka and Kondogbia. Whether Rabiot is actually attainable is debatable. I'd argue that Goretzka and Dahoud aren't ready yet just like Gomes. Kante is definitely your best answer. Krychowiak could also operate as a box-to-box midfielder IMO.
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I like Goretzka but given Rooney is likely to be playing as a CM for us I would opt for Krychowiak, he's a powerhouse that would provide Rooney with a safety net. Dahoud has lots of potential but as you say it's too soon.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Goretzka is an interesting one. Is he not slightly more defensive though ? Kondogbia is again more of a defensive mid. Rabiot, not really huge fan of, but I think many might like him here. I think apart from Krychowiak, not sure how many of them would improve the starting XI.
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Kondogbia can definitely operate as a box-to-box midfielder. You are moving the goalposts a bit. Initially you didn't ask for a goalscoring or creative midfielder, you asked for box-to-box midfielders. Goretzka is probably better offensively than defensively. Like I said Gomes wouldn't improve us, but I think there are more talented players than him for less money.

Devil may care said:
I like Goretzka but given Rooney is likely to be playing as a CM for us I would opt for Krychowiak, he's a powerhouse that would provide Rooney with a safety net. Dahoud has lots of potential but as you say it's too soon.
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Ideally we move a few players in central areas on and bring in Krychowiak or Kante and some young central midfielder.
 
bucky said:
Kondogbia can definitely operate as a box-to-box midfielder. You are moving the goalposts a bit. Initially you didn't ask for a goalscoring or creative midfielder, you asked for box-to-box midfielders. Goretzka is probably better offensively than defensively. Like I said Gomes wouldn't improve us, but I think there are more talented players than him for less money.
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My recollection of Goretzka was that he was B2b player as well. But when I checked his numbers, he'd played defensive midfield in quite a few games as well, which was why I wasn't sure anymore. Thought you might be able to shed some light on that. Yeah, I know Kondogbia can play box to box as well and I wanted us to actually take a punt on him when he was at Monaco and even before that, but I think his development has stalled a bit hasn't it ?

I understand your point, and honestly I don't think Gomes wouldn't suit us in a double pivot either (Might work if they got in Kante or Krychowiak as well) but I can only assume that if we are indeed looking at him, then surely we Mourinho must be thinking of using a 4-3-3 formation. If that's the case, I think he would excel in that set-up.
 
Who had a £32m bid rejected other day? Chelsea wasnt it.. reportedly they want £42m. Wouldnt go that high if it was me
 
bucky said:
Ideally we move a few players in central areas on and bring in Krychowiak or Kante and some young central midfielder.
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I agree mate but I think we know for at least one more season we'll be catering to Rooney, so for now I think a partner that will cover his inexperience in the position would make the most sense.
 
Ijazz17 said:
My recollection of Goretzka was that he was B2b player as well. But when I checked his numbers, he'd played defensive midfield in quite a few games as well, which was why I wasn't sure anymore. Thought you might be able to shed some light on that. Yeah, I know Kondogbia can play box to box as well and I wanted us to actually take a punt on him when he was at Monaco and even before that, but I think his development has stalled a bit hasn't it ?

I understand your point, and honestly I don't think Gomes wouldn't suit us in a double pivot either (Might work if they got in Kante or Krychowiak as well) but I can only assume that if we are indeed looking at him, then surely we Mourinho must be thinking of using a 4-3-3 formation. If that's the case, I think he would excel in that set-up.
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Agreed. Goretzka played mostly next to Geis, but also played on the right and in the CAM role. He's definitely the more offensive one of the two. He's good at dribbling and also capable of playing the final pass. Geis tried to control the game for Schalke though. Similar to Kondogbia I think Goretzka suffers from playing in an inconsistent team. Currently Inter are arguably in a worse state than Schalke IMO, so I'm not sure how much of that is down to Kondogbia's stagnation. In any case he should move on from there. Some of Schalke's young players might need to do the same.

Devil may care said:
I agree mate but I think we know for at least one more season we'll be catering to Rooney, so for now I think a partner that will cover his inexperience in the position would make the most sense.
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Do you think that rules out a young midfielder?
 
Moonred said:
It's best to not draw any conclusions based on few matches in euros. Plenty of very good players have under performed and plenty average Joes will punch above their weight. So far though, nothing about Gomes have made me too excited.
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Totally agree. Based on theses Euro's Martial is useless.
 
He seems too passive for me... talented for sure, but he doesn't take control of games like the best players. Maybe its just because I think we are crying out for a modric type in the middle, but he is not that at all and would need a more advanced role. Don't think he has it in him to become that type of player either.
 
bucky said:
Agreed. Goretzka played mostly next to Geis, but also played on the right and in the CAM role. He's definitely the more offensive one of the two. He's good at dribbling and also capable of playing the final pass. Geis tried to control the game for Schalke though. Similar to Kondogbia I think Goretzka suffers from playing in an inconsistent team. Currently Inter are arguably in a worse state than Schalke IMO, so I'm not sure how much of that is down to Kondogbia's stagnation. In any case he should move on from there. Some of Schalke's young players might need to do the same.
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Thanks for that info. Yeah, Kondogbia could do with a move. I dunno where the Schalke players could go though. The likes of Meyer and Goretzka are better off getting regular game time at Schalke until some of the big boys come calling.
 
From what we've seen in this tournament, he wouldn't improve us. In fact, I don't think he'd get in the team.

Size and strength are supposed to be strengths of his game, but I didn't see much evidence of that: not noticeably robust in challenges. His vaunted dribbling skills were nowhere to be seen; he didn't show his pace or take players on. His passing was smart - some nice link-up play - but limited in range. He didn't impose himself, and posed no goal threat. Maybe it's because he's young and new to the team, but he seemed happy to do a job without showing much fire.

Unless there's a much better player hidden away that we haven't seen, we'd be wasting our money.
 
Will Absolute said:
From what we've seen in this tournament, he wouldn't improve us. In fact, I don't think he'd get in the team.

Size and strength are supposed to be strengths of his game, but I didn't see much evidence of that: not noticeably robust in challenges. His vaunted dribbling skills were nowhere to be seen; he didn't show his pace or take players on. His passing was smart - some nice link-up play - but limited in range. He didn't impose himself, and posed no goal threat. Maybe it's because he's young and new to the team, but he seemed happy to do a job without showing much fire.

Unless there's a much better player hidden away that we haven't seen, we'd be wasting our money.
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Neither would Harry Kane
 
I'm not a big fan of Gomes, but let's face it: this team is shit. If we hire him, will be a massive improvement for our team.
 
Rozay said:
I'm a big fan of his, but he seems to be playing it very safe so far this tournament. He has been tidy, but is capable of much more brilliance.
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Indeed. Playing it too safe and lacking a bit of fire like someone mentioned.. its one thing blaming it on the fact the team is too Ronaldo centric but he has been very underwhelming. It's like watching a different player so far.
 
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