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Fallen Muppet. Lest we never forget
I thought he was very impressive. Did pretty much what I was hoping he would do. I love his aggressive positioning
Bit sad that he is going to be compared to 10 years of DDG wondersaves while forgetting the mistakes DDG made in that comparison. DDG was at a certain point a fantastic goalkeeper but Onana seems like a big upgrade over last season DDG.
This is all retrospective though, Bellingham was running across the field so it required perfect first touch and then a perfect chip from him, what he did. I think it's a bit harsh to criticize him for that, although Martinez closed down Bellingham quickly so probably the right decision was to stay in goal.I think he had a good game bar the first goal. He swept well, kept the ball moving nicely, came for a cross and made a couple of great saves from Vinicius and Joselu.
He couldn’t do anything about the second goal but he made life a lot easier for Bellingham by coming off his line. According to goalkeeperxg, the data shows short range 1v1s are best dealt with by coming out to smother, but long range 1v1s are better dealt with by staying on the edge of the 6 yard box and making the attacker make a decision. Coming off your line that far opens up options for the attacker, like a chip, that wouldn’t exist otherwise.
Ederson is similarly over-proactive on 1v1s and does well as a result on the short stuff and below average on the longer stuff. De Gea was the opposite. Alisson picks his moments better and is great at both.
As a genuine question, what do you think the keeper should have done in that situation? DDG would have done the same thing, come out and then been helpless against a well executed chip.Kind of ironic that the first goal he conceded is a 1vs.1... the only one thing you could say DDG was still top class at.
He did get it a bit wrong, but it wasn't a howler or anything... He'll be fine. Passing was very nice
Just everything we need in that video to play out from the back, speed of pass, makes himself available, good positioning.
Overall a fine debut.
On the flip side, whenever he does some relatively basic things (like catch corners, say) he'll benefit from the comparison to De Gea who was (rightly) perceived to be weak in that area, even if it turns out Onana isn't much better than the average PL goalkeeper in that regard.
Yeah, I'm suspecting the same. Rather than really focusing on midfield to be the ones dominating the ball and controlling us around, he'll use them in more of a transitionary sense and it'll be the defence that is the more dominant ball-players from deeper areas. Martinez is obviously the main one in that regard, with Shaw also being well suited to it. But it's pretty much impossible to do that properly without the keeper behind them all also being a good passer (in both ability and decision making).I made a point in another thread but will repeat here. I believe Martinez will take the "playmaker" role in the team this season. This is why Onana is key - his job will be to bypass the first pressing wave so that Licha gets the ball in space and can progress it forward. The way Onana positions himself in front of the box also pushes the back line higher, what means Martinez can effectively take central position like deep lying playmaker does. This is a mitigation strategy as we are not getting De Jong type of a player in midfield (also, Mount doesn't seem involved in the build up at all so far, early days but not unexpected I guess).
But even the most petty DDG hater wouldnt do that right....? Every catch that Onana makes ''DDG wouldnt have picked that ball out of the air'' or every pass Onana completes ''DDG would have lost the ball with a hoof ball there'' Well actually... some might be capable of doing that
Saves are more flashy, more important to the direct result and therefor easier to comment on. And i do like DDG but wasnt he near or below the average in almost all statistics from all EPL goalkeepers last season? Even at making big saves? As long as Onana is going to be above average he will be an upgrade over last season DDG.
This is all retrospective though, Bellingham was running across the field so it required perfect first touch and then a perfect chip from him, what he did. I think it's a bit harsh to criticize him for that, although Martinez closed down Bellingham quickly so probably the right decision was to stay in goal.
I'm not sure if I was just imagining it, but it did feel like at the beginning of the game the defenders were often taking up positions that they would with De Gea in goal, and there was at least once that Onana seemed to be frustrated that Martinez and Varane were too deep and narrow in what he felt was 'his' position. Like you said, over the course of the game it seemed to stop happening so it's only going to improve from here.Yes it was obvious how the defenders all had an extra man and second to pick a pass. They could also play higher up the pitch with more confidence.
I saw the defenders adjusting to this over the course of the game and I thought they looked increasingly liberated. Martinez also played some cracking passes.
As a genuine question, what do you think the keeper should have done in that situation? DDG would have done the same thing, come out and then been helpless against a well executed chip.
I thought he was excellent, probably the single most influential signing we could have made - whether it will work out we will see but the shape of the team and where the defensive line was looked much more positive to me.
He's not come out that fast though. Watch the replay, he is waiting just outside the 6 yard box and only advances when he sees where Bellingham's touch goes. I guess DDG might simply have sat in the six yard box and not have moved at all but then Bellingham might not have taken the touch he did, which was a bit wide and let our defence recover. I think we have to be a bit more objective, Onana will make some howlers given how he plays but this was an offside goal with a very accurate finish.De Gea would never come out that far too early. He stays back and then moves forward at the exact right time. It's literally the one last thing he was still good at!
Like I said, now a howler by any stretch... Just came out a tad too quickly in my opinion.
Already starting
Imagine conceding a lobbed goal in 6th minute with your new clubKind of ironic that the first goal he conceded is a 1vs.1... the only one thing you could say DDG was still top class at.
He did get it a bit wrong, but it wasn't a howler or anything... He'll be fine. Passing was very nice
Clearly his fault. No need to come out, if he stayed deeper Bellingham would have had no opportunity to score as Martinez had already caught up with him.How was he at fault for the first goal? What do people think he should have done stuck on his line? (Genuine question). I think he was right to come out and try and close down the angle and put the attacker under pressure. Bellinghams touch and finish thought was sublime. Don’t think he was really at any fault there.
Imagine conceding a goal down to 10 men against Madrid , ETH out I'd say. So nothing about the great save against Vin Jnr cutting inside or the ball playing when after one press from Madrid they stopped. Man, I think some of you swallowed that "Madrid Fan boy" ESPN commentator nonsense in your sleep last night. The reporting on ESPN was the most one sided I have heard since the Reading game. It was also offside.Imagine conceding a lobbed goal in 6th minute with your new club
To be honest, he did recover quite well after that like it was nothing. I would imagine we could've conceded more goals if he didn't and was nervous, so that is probably good news.
100% we will see the opposition" keeper press" disappear against our side with him in goal.DDG isn't here anymore but this guy is and he was a breath of fresh air. Brilliant on the ball just loved to see him on the ball.
Yeah there was an interview someone posted in his transfer thread a couple weeks ago iirc, where he was still at Ajax and basically told the interviewer he doesn't give a F. I think it might have been when Ajax fans weren't pleased with him as he wasn't renewing, having just returned from a suspension. But i could be wrong!Doesn't seem the sort of character that will be too fussed by this though.
Maybe could have done better on the first goal, nothing he could have done about the second. But overall he was good.
It would have been in VAR was around. He was offside by the looks of things.Thought the first goal could have been avoided. I suppose we’ll see a few of them throughout the season. It’s all about his judgement. He’ll win some and he’ll lose some.
I don't understand what you're saying to me. I also believe you completely missed the point so I will make it simple for you: it was a fantastic goal from Bellingham and Onana is hardly to blame for it. I also like that he didn't seem fussed about that at all.Imagine conceding a goal down to 10 men against Madrid , ETH out I'd say. So nothing about the great save against Vin Jnr cutting inside or the ball playing when after one press from Madrid they stopped. Man, I think some of you swallowed that "Madrid Fan boy" ESPN commentator nonsense in your sleep last night. The reporting on ESPN was the most one sided I have heard since the Reading game. It was also offside.
Exactly. He took a chance but there is no way he prevents a goal if Bellingham shoots with that accuracy.I can't believe anyone can criticise him for the second goal, and I see some are mentioning it as weak goal for some reason.
First goal he could have stayed maybe on the line, but then Bellingham would let the ball straight instead of wide and we could blame him for staying on the line.
Absolutely it's a start100% we will see the opposition" keeper press" disappear against our side with him in goal.
I thought the pitch Invader was Onana for sec XD
Going to be like this all season, similar to De Gea' first two seasons
So good. See how even in tight areas or difficult passes, he plays the ball with the right weight and the right placement to give our player a good chance to play the next pass out of danger with his first touch. Weight of pass and exact placement is so important and he just has it.
Have to say that moment 10 seconds in where we are all calm in building up but Bruno gives it away with a stupid backheel is very annoying. We had a lot of those and always have lots of those, players lose composure in the build up and try to do a silly flick. Need less of that. Sometimes it works. Usually loses possession.It's a trip watching that compilation and then trying to imagine De Gea doing something even slightly similar.
No, you weren't imaging it at all. There was also an instance in the first half where they put a ball across the six yard box, and Martinez put it out for a corner even though Onana had dived to cut the ball out. They've got to get used to a very very different goalkeeper behind them, as you say it'll take time but it'll also improve us massively in the long run.I'm not sure if I was just imagining it, but it did feel like at the beginning of the game the defenders were often taking up positions that they would with De Gea in goal, and there was at least once that Onana seemed to be frustrated that Martinez and Varane were too deep and narrow in what he felt was 'his' position. Like you said, over the course of the game it seemed to stop happening so it's only going to improve from here.
So good. See how even in tight areas or difficult passes, he plays the ball with the right weight and the right placement to give our player a good chance to play the next pass out of danger with his first touch. Weight of pass and exact placement is so important and he just has it.