[ItDoesntEvenMata]

Harsh to judge for any of those goals, not many keepers save those. People shouldn't get used to De Gea's cat like reflexes as the standard because that's an outlier not the norm.

We had an 'outlier' keeper who was outstanding for 10+ years and won the Premier League golden glove last year - we are used to it. That second goal was a shocker and until we get a better team at retaining and recycling the ball across the outfield, I'd rather have a keeper who can actually stop goals

 

[Dorris]

What? Because he gave some nices passes to defenders? Arsenal had 5 shots on target. One was Odegaard's weak shot, one was Saka's save and 3 were goals. How the feck he can be in top 3 players today?

Because for once we managed to control most of the ball away from home to a top side for large portions of the game purely because of this guy. Or is a keeper ‘ just for savings shots!!’. De Gea saves none of those goals anyway.

 

[arnie_ni]

Expected him to claim that cross but I'd need to see it again

 

[Raoul]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

 

[Sylar]

Reckon his long balls might actually be useful going forward with hoijlund up front and challenging instead of rashford and martial standing around

 

[Dorris]

We had an 'outlier' keeper who was outstanding for 10+ years and won the Premier League golden glove last year - we are used to it. That second goal was a shocker and until we get a better team at retaining and recycling the ball across the outfield, I'd rather have a keeper who can actually stop goals

Yeh I can understand why the man’s so in demand as a free transfer.

 

[gaffs]

Tough with the deflections, but I'm not sure if he is technically good enough with his shot stopping.

Take away his distribution, he has been a net negative this season.

 

[Superunknown]

The team were shite for all three goals, not just him. I liked a lot of what he did for most of the game. He's confident on the ball and that will give the rest of the team confidence in time. It wasn't his fault that we lost today. If the rest of the team were as confident and comfortable with the ball at their feet as this guy, we wouldn't have lost 3-1 today.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Don’t see the promised improvements. Every bit as passive as De Gea, a non entity in one on one’s. Better passer for sure. Not sure it gives the net benefit people promised.

Teams aren't dumb. If the keeper is good on the ball, don't press him.

This you're new shiny, £55m keeper you've bought to "transform" your play is now negated.

You're then left with a keeper with slightly under average shot stopping.

Couldn't have done anything about the goals today mind but he's not a keeper that wins you leagues.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Haven't been impressed with his shot stopping since he's come.

Usually with keepers who emphasize ball playing abilities you have them being weaker at shot stopping, like Ederson and Ramsdale, but the stats suggested Onana was also good at shot stopping. Till now though he's looked weak at that and not reliable.

The third goal was a 1-on-1 so likely that the attacker will score, but his positioning for the shot was horrible. Gave way too much room on the far corner for Jesus to slot the ball. The second goal I think he should have stopped. While it was deflected, the shot did not have a lot of speed and I think he could've pushed it away.

 

[Sylar]

Expected him to claim that cross but I'd need to see it again

Just watched it again, arsenal had two or three players free back post and it wasn't floated cross or close to the six yard line. Where rice controls it , Id be surprised if he tried to come out for that

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

Sign him up on a free…

 

[acnumber9]

Teams aren't dumb. If the keeper is good on the ball, don't press him.

This you're new shiny, £55m keeper you've bought to "transform" your play is now negated.

You're then left with a keeper with slightly under average shit stopping.

Then maybe he wasn’t as important a signing as people were suggesting. Not when we have clear deficiencies in midfield and attack. It was a bit of a luxury signing given our financial situation.

 

[King7Eric]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

It's no use having a ball playing keeper if the lads ahead of him don't make the movements to play through teams. It was sadly hilarious watching the 1st half and doing the same thing over and over with the ball from Onana to Lindelof to Casemiro to Martinez and back.

His control and calmness of the ball is very impressive but we aren't maximizing his abilities.

 

[arnie_ni]

Just watched it again, arsenal had two or three players free back post and it wasn't floated cross or close to the six yard line. Where rice controls it , Id be surprised if he tried to come out for that

Maybe. I don't think I'm prepared to watch it again

 

[Idxomer]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

That's your problem, only one goal De Gea might've saved out of the 7 we conceded.

 

[sullydnl]

Thought this was very evident today. There was a clear reluctance on Arsenal's part to be as aggressive in their press, which helped ease the pressure on us a lot.

However, that doesn't negate any criticism people have about any other aspects of his goalkeeping.

 

[Bobski]

We lost but you could see some of the tactical problems he can help create, there were a number of wasted transition chances even before the last few mins of madness.

 

[pratyush_utd]

We bought a ball playing GK and our entire CB lineup is injured

 

[Snow]

Harsh to judge for any of those goals, not many keepers save those. People shouldn't get used to De Gea's cat like reflexes as the standard because that's an outlier not the norm.

That's literally what people were used to? You mean people should stop being used to it.

 

[DWelbz19]

Thought this was very evident today. There was a clear reluctance on Arsenal's part to be as aggressive in their press, which helped ease the pressure on us a lot.

However, that doesn't negate any criticism people have about any other aspects of his goalkeeping.

That’s what the problem is, yes. Onana was the right signing but he’s only one signing. The manager then prioritising signings that fit a different style of football and mishmashing the two is the issue

 

[pocco]

He's confident on the ball but, honestly, keepers that do what he does are ten a penny. I don't think it was necessary to spend so much on him. I'm not sold on his shot stopping ability, not sure there was much he could do today but I suppose when top level keepers do stop some of those then that's when you realise how much better they are.

 

[DWelbz19]

We bought a ball playing GK and our entire CB lineup is injured

We also bought a ball playing GK when our entire first phase of defence and midfield aren’t very good at ball playing themselves. I see maybe one or two players who are genuinely more press resistant than Onana which is absurd

 

[Andersonson]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

Im exactly the same. I see no results of having a playing gk either. Hasnt done us anything

 

[Hostekule]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

De gea wouldn't have saved any of the three today. Thought Onana was great in possession for us. Brought a composure de gea never did.

 

[bosnian_red]

He's confident on the ball but, honestly, keepers that do what he does at ten a penny. I don't think it was necessary to spend so much on him. I'm not sold on his shot stopping ability, not sure there was much he could do today but I suppose when top level keepers do stop some of those then that's when you realise how much better they are.

He did great on the Saka save, Rice's goal was deflected so like... Nah I'm not having any criticism on his shot stopping which is very good and consistent generally.

 

[zaafi]

His shot stopping is very mediocre. Really disappointed with that aspect.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Then maybe he wasn’t as important a signing as people were suggesting. Not when we have clear deficiencies in midfield and attack. It was a bit of a luxury signing given our financial situation.

Prioritizing him and Mount over everyone else felt like someone read the club plans backwards.

 

[SirScholes]

Can’t be faulted for any goal today
Maybe de gea saves the rice one maybe, but arsenal would also of flooded our defenders and maybe we lose the ball higher up

absolute bollocks having a go at him here

 

[SAFMUTD]

He's class at distributing the ball. Really good job today arsenal press was practically nullified by him.

Still he should had done way better in the second goal. The shot went really close to him it wasn't easy but you'd expect a top keeper to save that.

 

[Stadjer]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

Rewatch DDG his last game for Manchester United and you wont be asking yourself that question. Prime DDG might have stopped it but last season DDG his shot stopping wasnt really all that special anymore.

 

[bosnian_red]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

The value is being able to deal with opposition press, and being calm in build up. We haven't struggled under the press against any team so far, because we have a goalkeeper who can actually play a part in the build up. Thought it was painfully obvious today especially and it made a huge difference. Of course we lost in the end but the way the game went, it was an even game and we handled things well. Last season we got battered throughout the match and under pressure because we couldn't play from the back.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Nothing against Onana, but I'm not seeing any value in having swapped keepers, especially with our FFP problems. Each goal we concede, I find myself asking whether Dave would've saved it.

2019-2023 DDG wouldn’t have saved any of them.

 

[Chip]

Clearly a worse shot stopper than DDG.

Obviously in a different galaxy when it comes to passing, but I'm yet to see the big value in playing it out from the back. Our play seems to stagnate after we've passed the ball beyond the first "wave" of pressure, and we just hoof it to either of the flanks without much luck. But maybe this too is just a matter of being patient and trusting the process.

But so far I think the change in GK has been a net loss considering DDG would probably have saved a few of the goals we've conceded so far.

 

[arnie_ni]

Thought this was very evident today. There was a clear reluctance on Arsenal's part to be as aggressive in their press, which helped ease the pressure on us a lot.

However, that doesn't negate any criticism people have about any other aspects of his goalkeeping.

I was a big ddg fan and it is clear to see the upgrade he makes on the ball it's just our midfield isn't good enough to use the advantage.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

The value is being able to deal with opposition press, and being calm in build up. We haven't struggled under the press against any team so far, because we have a goalkeeper who can actually play a part in the build up. Thought it was painfully obvious today especially and it made a huge difference. Of course we lost in the end but the way the game went, it was an even game and we handled things well. Last season we got battered throughout the match and under pressure because we couldn't play from the back.

Yep exactly. We were far more composed today in the first two thirds of the pitch than in the same fixture last season.

The 3-2 at Emirates last season, we couldn’t even get out our own half.

 

[Raoul]

That's your problem, only one goal De Gea might've saved out of the 7 we conceded.

Sounds like a case to not spend 50m on a new keeper. We could've spent what Bayern did on Kane instead of buying an expensive keeper and getting fleeced for an unproven young striker.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I was a big ddg fan and it is clear to see the upgrade he makes on the ball it's just our midfield isn't good enough to use the advantage.

Then maybe sign a midfield first. He isn't that good in the air either, so far..

 

[pocco]

He's class at distributing the ball. Really good job today arsenal press was practically nullified by him.

Still he should had done way better in the second goal. The shot went really close to him it wasn't easy but you'd expect a top keeper to save that.

Arsenal didn't press. That's why we were dominating possession, but it was all in our third of the pitch. We had no idea how to get through them apart from when they got stretched and we could use our counter, which is all we've got these days.

 

[bosnian_red]

That's literally what people were used to? You mean people should stop being used to it.

I think moreso people shouldn't forget what the last 5 years have been and not pretend like it was still 2013-2018 de Gea in goal who was arguably the best shot stopper ever.