[gaffs]

My concern about Onana, is those playing in front of him.

Beyond Martinez and maybe Shaw, are the other defenders comfortable enough to receive his passes?

I can see our defence being caught on the ball when receiving short from Onana.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

My concern about Onana, is those playing in front of him.

Beyond Martinez and maybe Shaw, are the other defenders comfortable enough to receive his passes?

I can see our defence being caught on the ball when receiving short from Onana.

Varane’s capable as well. Not the best but will be comfortable enough in receiving a short pass, the ones you need to worry about are Dalot and AWB.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

My concern about Onana, is those playing in front of him.

Beyond Martinez and maybe Shaw, are the other defenders comfortable enough to receive his passes?

I can see our defence being caught on the ball when receiving short from Onana.

He passes to midfielders under pressure more than defenders under pressure tbf.

 

[gaffs]

Not blaming him for the goal, Dalot's casual passing put him in that mess , but players will be alerted to try a chip or two.

Varane’s capable as well. Not the best but will be comfortable enough in receiving a short pass, the ones you need to worry about are Dalot and AWB.

Agree, but i dont think he has the mobility to want to be put into any kind of tight spots.

I worry for both Dalot and AWB. Onana had Dumfries at right wing back, that would hold the wide flank as an option of Onana.
He also had three ball playing, comfortable center backs. Wonder if with a thee at the back would be a better formation, now we have Onana?

I think Onana will bypass defence a lot though and look for our midfield or forwards.

 

[gaffs]

He passes to midfielders under pressure more than defenders under pressure tbf.

He does. But then with the center mid facing his own goal, the next ball of often back to a defender. They all have to be ready and open for a pass.

 

[RuudTom83]

My concern about Onana, is those playing in front of him.

Beyond Martinez and maybe Shaw, are the other defenders comfortable enough to receive his passes?

I can see our defence being caught on the ball when receiving short from Onana.

I see your point.

I would hope Onana just learns from his teammates and realises quickly who might make a mistake...adapting his position slightly or favouring the left side with more adventurous passes etc.

It will take a little time, but give the new players 10 games and I recon we will see a steady improvement on last seasons performances.

 

[NLunited]

I see your point.

I would hope Onana just learns from his teammates and realises quickly who might make a mistake...adapting his position slightly or favouring the left side with more adventurous passes etc.

It will take a little time, but give the new players 10 games and I recon we will see a steady improvement on last seasons performances.

It will be better but hopefully much better. I have my doubts about some of our players especially Dalot and AWB.

Honestly I think we should sell Dalot and get a RB more comfortable on the ball.

 

[Sea-Cow]

How is he at saving pens?

 

[Terranova]

How is he at saving pens?

André Onana - Penalty statistics | Transfermarkt

7 of 33 saved so far

 

[Sea-Cow]

André Onana - Penalty statistics | Transfermarkt

7 of 33 saved so far

Thank you. And I apologize for my lazyness but do you know how that rate compares to other keepers? Or, more importantly, how does it compare to DDG?

Thank you!

 

[jadaba]

Thank you. And I apologize for my lazyness but do you know how that rate compares to other keepers? Or, more importantly, how does it compare to DDG?

Thank you!

Jumping in because I'd previously looked at this and DDG saved 8/50 for us (16%), or 14/74 as a career total (19%). Onana's save percentage is just over 21% if you're also too lazy to do that maths Should add that none of these count penalty shootouts.

Some random comparison records include Ramsdale with 27% saving record, Kasper Schmeichel with 25%, Alisson with 42%!

Onana could be a slight improvement on DDG in that department but some of that may depend on our goalkeeping coaches because De Gea's record before joining us was pretty strong, 5/18 (28%).

 

[Sea-Cow]

Jumping in because I'd previously looked at this and DDG saved 8/50 for us (16%), or 14/74 as a career total (19%). Onana's save percentage is just over 21% if you're also too lazy to do that maths Should add that none of these count penalty shootouts.

Some random comparison records include Ramsdale with 27% saving record, Kasper Schmeichel with 25%, Alisson with 42%!

Onana could be a slight improvement on DDG in that department but some of that may depend on our goalkeeping coaches because De Gea's record before joining us was pretty strong, 5/18 (28%).

Excellent. Thank you.

 

[lex talionis]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

We really really did need a top drawer ball playing sweeper keeper, and if you haven’t noticed that I swear you’ve been watching a different game altogether.

 

[Remember the geese]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

His basics are better than De Gea's.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

Jumping in because I'd previously looked at this and DDG saved 8/50 for us (16%), or 14/74 as a career total (19%). Onana's save percentage is just over 21% if you're also too lazy to do that maths Should add that none of these count penalty shootouts.

Some random comparison records include Ramsdale with 27% saving record, Kasper Schmeichel with 25%, Alisson with 42%!

Onana could be a slight improvement on DDG in that department but some of that may depend on our goalkeeping coaches because De Gea's record before joining us was pretty strong, 5/18 (28%).

25-27% is mightily impressive... 42% is off the fecking charts. Wow...

Quite surprised that DDG save 1 in 6 for us. I remember 2-3 saves max.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

My concern about Onana, is those playing in front of him.

Beyond Martinez and maybe Shaw, are the other defenders comfortable enough to receive his passes?

I can see our defence being caught on the ball when receiving short from Onana.

RB is our weak link.

Opposition managers know this and target.

 

[Brightonian]

The defenders already find themselves required to play out. They put each other in these positions plenty last season. The only difference is they can now expect the keeper to do it too. But unlike De Gea, he's more likely to have more control over the passes he's making and a wider range of passes to choose from. I don't expect them to find playing out more demanding than last season - it should be less so.

Anyway, Martinez is as good as they come, and Varane very respectable. Shaw is as comfortable on the ball as anyone in the team. AWB isn't on their level but has dramatically improved and has a reliable toolkit when under pressure. I can't remember many instances of him losing the ball in dangerous areas last season, although I haven't checked so could be wrong.

We've just sold our only real liability in this area.

 

[calodo2003]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

We have seen a shift in the ‘basics’ of goal keeping over the past decade. We absolutely should be seeing our goalkeeper be a proactive part of our side with his feet.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

We don’t need a keeper who does fictional stuff you made up in your head?

 

[The holy trinity 68]

We don’t need a keeper who does fictional stuff you made up in your head?

Onana is known to also do back flips when faced with a one on one situation, to try and put the striker off.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Onana is known to also do back flips when faced with a one on one situation, to try and put the striker off.

I did my first ever back flip today. Life goal achieved. Completely irrelevant but had to share.

 

[lex talionis]

We don’t need a keeper who does fictional stuff you made up in your head?

I have eyes. Two of them, in fact.

 

[lex talionis]

We really really did need a top drawer ball playing sweeper keeper, and if you haven’t noticed that I swear you’ve been watching a different game altogether.

We didn’t need a sweeper keeper as much as we needed a keeper who keeps bad mistakes to a minimum, zero if possible. De Gea’s problem wasn’t that he failed to a gnat’s eyebrow with a 60 yard ball. His problem was that allowed shots to go through his gloves that any keeper at this level to make. Mistakes will always happen, but shots like the Benrahma shot and others went in for match winners too often.

 

[Remember the geese]

We didn’t need a sweeper keeper as much as we needed a keeper who keeps bad mistakes to a minimum, zero if possible. De Gea’s problem wasn’t that he failed to a gnat’s eyebrow with a 60 yard ball. His problem was that allowed shots to go through his gloves that any keeper at this level to make. Mistakes will always happen, but shots like the Benrahma shot and others went in for match winners too often.

No, it wasn't just shot stopping errors. That's far too simplistic. De Gea gave us absolutely no platform from which to play. He did nothing to help us control games. That on top of his lack of authority within his own 6 yard box.

 

[Red Shorts]

He will improve us from the back... but eventually.

Those thinking they will see a near perfect improvement this season will be surprised. I still don't feel feel our outfield are capable of making space for someone who could make an impact as a ball-playing GK.

I won't criticise Onana for what he attempts and fails at this season when he comes to ballplaying moves, but I know what will be letting him down

 

[NLunited]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

But it is fun…. Seriously, over the past few years Onana has gotten more reliable than in his younger years.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We didn’t need a sweeper keeper as much as we needed a keeper who keeps bad mistakes to a minimum, zero if possible. De Gea’s problem wasn’t that he failed to a gnat’s eyebrow with a 60 yard ball. His problem was that allowed shots to go through his gloves that any keeper at this level to make. Mistakes will always happen, but shots like the Benrahma shot and others went in for match winners too often.

No, De Gea’s biggest problem by far was that when we played the best sides, Liverpool, City etc, that have a brilliant sweeper keeper, we were basically playing with 10 vs 11.

Pep’s entire philosophy has been based around just that, it’s why he instantly fecked off the crowd favourite Hart as soon as he arrived.

 

[Kostov]

No, it wasn't just shot stopping errors. That's far too simplistic. De Gea gave us absolutely no platform from which to play. He did nothing to help us control games. That on top of his lack of authority within his own 6 yard box.

Let's see how we control and build up play with Onana this season. Let's not pretend we had the personnel to control games. Casemiro, Mount and Bruno this season is hardly a controlling midfield trio too.

 

[Kostov]

No, De Gea’s biggest problem by far was that when we played the best sides, Liverpool, City etc, that have a brilliant sweeper keeper, we were basically playing with 10 vs 11.

Pep’s entire philosophy has been based around just that, it’s why he instantly fecked off the crowd favourite Hart as soon as he arrived.

Ederson and Allison, especially the later is a brilliant all round GK, not just sweeper keeper. If Onana can get to Ederson level we are set, if not we will have the new Barthez for 50m+.

 

[Eric_the_Red99]

We really don't need a daredevil keeper who makes Cruyff turns in his six yard box and strays into the center circle. Onana of course should rely on his strengths, but it's more important to get the basics down cold than it is to attempt the improbable.

That’s what I think. It seems that for a lot of people there are only two options: a cowardly keeper like DDG who is pinned to his line and can’t pass to save his life, or a total lunatic who tries to dribble the ball to the halfway line. It’s possible to have a keeper who is good at distribution but who doesn’t take unnecessary risks. At the moment we really aren’t a team that can afford to give away stupid goals.

 

[Zed is not dead]

No, it wasn't just shot stopping errors. That's far too simplistic. De Gea gave us absolutely no platform from which to play. He did nothing to help us control games. That on top of his lack of authority within his own 6 yard box.

To be fair, playing from the back is as much on the keeper as it is on the players in front of him.
You can build from the keeper all you want, if you don’t have outfield players capable of keeping possession under pressure it’s quite useless.

Very often De Gea played good passes that his teammates simply miscontrolled. It happened with Onana in several instances as well. And just as with De Gea, it resulted in a chance for the opposition.

I’m glad we got Onana, but just like De Gea wasn’t the only problem, Onana won’t be the only solution

 

[The holy trinity 68]

I did my first ever back flip today. Life goal achieved. Completely irrelevant but had to share.

That is a great feat, well done!

 

[Shakesy]

I did my first ever back flip today. Life goal achieved. Completely irrelevant but had to share.

I thought you're ancient!?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I thought you're ancient!?

I am! But I’ve always wanted to do a backflip and reckoned if I put it off any longer I’d break a hip the first time I tried. So job done. Delighted.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I have eyes. Two of them, in fact.

Well if you used them you wouldn’t be trying to claim that the only problem De Gea was causing the team is occasionally making errors with stopping shots. I mean, come on…

 

[Shakesy]

I am! But I’ve always wanted to do a backflip and reckoned if I put it off any longer I’d break a hip the first time I tried. So job done. Delighted.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

To be fair, playing from the back is as much on the keeper as it is on the players in front of him.
You can build from the keeper all you want, if you don’t have outfield players capable of keeping possession under pressure it’s quite useless.

Very often De Gea played good passes that his teammates simply miscontrolled. It happened with Onana in several instances as well. And just as with De Gea, it resulted in a chance for the opposition.

I’m glad we got Onana, but just like De Gea wasn’t the only problem, Onana won’t be the only solution

Whether that happened or not is irrelevant to the need to get rid of him. Which was because of the bad passes that either made it very difficult for his team mate to control, or missed them entirely. And we saw these passes a hell of a lot with De Gea. Onana has barely played and the reduction in the number of poor passes from our keeper couldn’t be more obvious.

The biggest upside of all will be a bit more intangible and will take longer to bed in. That’s when our defensive unit get used to his talent on the ball and trust him and use him more effectively. And that’s what could have the most direct effect on results. Especially against our nemesis, high pressing opposition.

 

[NLunited]

I am! But I’ve always wanted to do a backflip and reckoned if I put it off any longer I’d break a hip the first time I tried. So job done. Delighted.

 

[lex talionis]

Well if you used them you wouldn’t be trying to claim that the only problem De Gea was causing the team is occasionally making errors with stopping shots. I mean, come on…

It was more than “occasional”. Even Scholes committed occasional errors. The frequency of De Gea’s errors on saveable shots had become too great for ETH to bear. We all know about the Benrahma shot, but there were others that one had to ask if he could make a seemingly impossible save one minute but let a schoolboy save go through his gloves the next minute, could he actually be relied on over the next season or two as United push on for PL and CL trophies as he turns 33 and 34, when his reflexes are expected to naturally decline?