I just mention "David May", and leave it at that. Amateur
But yeah, it's too simplistic of an argument. He did contribute to every one of those medals, no matter how small the contribution. Whether they were substantial... is the issue.
Anderson on his way out?
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I just mention "David May", and leave it at that. Amateur
But yeah, it's too simplistic of an argument. He did contribute to every one of those medals, no matter how small the contribution. Whether they were substantial... is the issue.
How many more chances do we have to give to Anderson before some of you realise that he just isn't going to cut it at the very highest level?
IF an AC Milan or Inter come offering £15m for him, bite their hand off and get in a midfielder in the Modric mould, who we all know is proven in the Premier League and for his country.
IF an AC Milan or Inter come offering £15m for him, bite their hand off and get in a midfielder in the Modric mould, who we all know is proven in the Premier League and for his country.
To be honest, I wrote off Nani before he became the player he is now, so I try not to be too eager to do the same with Anderson. Thing is though, I really can't see a great deal of commitment with Anderson and I seriously doubt his ambition.
Mission accomplished, Pete rushing out to defend his beloved Fabregas.
If you watch those games carefully again you will see how well he did against Arsenal and Liverpool midfields. He was going to be exposed and it never happened, quite opposite really.
Waste of fecking time is the tubby twat
You can't really compare the 2 though. Nani's problem was never injuries, he was just infuriating to watch and painfully inconsistent, plus it only took him two and a half years to miraculously sort himself out.
Anderson has had 5 years.
Question for all those who still believe in Anderson:
If Anderson going for a 10 mil pounds means us signing Modric for 35 mil pounds, what OR
Anderson staying and us buying some decent enough Strootman-type player for 15 mil,would you chose?
(I know he can stay and we sign Modric )
If Anderson going for a 10 mil pounds means us signing Modric for 35 mil pounds, what OR
Anderson staying and us buying some decent enough Strootman-type player for 15 mil,would you chose?
(I know he can stay and we sign Modric )
Can I have signing Modric and Strootman with Ando leaving?
I still think Ando will become a decent player, but he was brought to the club as potential, 5 years on (yes he came to us in 2007!!) and we're still talking about potential. Ando hasn't developed all that much while Nani has become one of the best wingers in the world. Its a shame for Ando, he's not had that much luck at United, but perhaps he needs another challenge to get the best out of him?
Hmm...i'm indifferent to him staying or leaving, but, I wouldn't write him off. After all, Darren Fletcher was much maligned for many a year and probably then came good when he was 25/26...
Anderson could get like that, maybe he just needs one breakthrough season
Anderson could get like that, maybe he just needs one breakthrough season
Can I keep Anderson and not give a shit about Strootman who I (and most of the caf) will have ever seen play. (well more than 2 or 3 times)
Anderson. We really are not in extreme need of a Modric like player. What we are bereft of is a player who is cover/an alternative to Carrick.
I get your point but you seems to miss what I was trying to put forward. Every true United supporter is aware of his talent and injury record. We are all disappointed and some of us are losing our believe in him, and that's include myself time to time.
But when I trying to be sensible and look at his time with us I see a talented young player who has been extremely unlucky. On the plus side I remember his first 5-7 games last season. How he played in the CL SF against Arsenal and Schalke 04 and some other odd games when he has looking like Scholes successor. Whenever he has being fit and injury free he has for the majority of his games delivers the gods. Off course there are plenty of games when he has being shit and looked shabby and wasteful but he is young, and with age and experience comes the real deal. I want to give him that time to be the player he can be.
But bottom line is that for a 24 year old player with his injury record he is loaded with experience and he have showed several times that he can produce on highest level. Not many player in his age can show such a collection of medals and still be around after being more or less out of the game because of injuries. With that in mind I don't find it strange to compare him with a young Xavi and Schweinsteiger. And btw how many of you can honestly say that you remember a 22-23 year old Xavi and not the player who play's alongside Deco , Ronaldinho and Initesta? It's easy to think they all been that good for all they career.
Finally. Maybe you're all right, he's wasted and we should cash in and sell him. I honestly have no idea if he have the capacity to come back another time. But I know something about our manager and I like his approach of our players and are proud to support a club and a manager who's loyal and not sell them as soon they are damaged gods.
Yeah thats what I meant by a Strootman type signing. Someone who would not cost much and also someone we don't really know much about.
Hang on now, you're the one who blatantly used his medal haul to try and emphasize how good he is, which is not a remotely accurate way to judge a player.
And I'm sorry, but Xavi is one of the greatest midfielders of his kind to ever play the game, if you think Anderson can be compared to that then you are quite frankly, deluded.
As for his injuries, he's contributed to that himself quite blatantly, given his lifestyle and constant fitness/weight issues, things he could easily have worked on himself.
I never said the bolded part though, unless it does infact involve £15m. That'd be mad to refuse.
Still think he'll be one of the worlds best Chief?
I remember young Xavi, but I agree with you that he was the player who played with Ronaldinho and Deco, but no way with Iniesta. Iniesta start playing many years after Xavi break into the first team, and never was better than him.
It's interesting cause although Xavi always seemed a guy with a lot of potential, he didn't aknowledged as one of the best until after EURO 2008. 4 years later and he is the best playmaker of all time, but he always played superb. It's only that Rijkaard liked Deco more.
Hang on now, you're the one who blatantly used his medal haul to try and emphasize how good he is, which is not a remotely accurate way to judge a player.
And I'm sorry, but Xavi is one of the greatest midfielders of his kind to ever play the game, if you think Anderson can be compared to that then you are quite frankly, deluded.
As for his injuries, he's contributed to that himself quite blatantly, given his lifestyle and constant fitness/weight issues, things he could easily have worked on himself.
I never said the bolded part though, unless it does infact involve £15m. That'd be mad to refuse.
Still think he'll be one of the worlds best Chief?
O Jesus Christ.... I did it again. Last chance saloon before I give up.
OK Cina. How many games have you seen Xavi playing when he was between 20-23 years old? Tell us what was your opinion about him. Insight man. First hand information. Give me a proper resumé of a young Xavi? I assume Google and You Tube will be your friend.
And regarding that his lifestyle have caused his injuries I find that comment the proof that you know nothing. Zero. His first injury was a broken leg. Explain that smart ass or leave the conclusions to our clubs medical team or someone who knows what they talking about. Nice try.
The problem is not his talent but his inability to remain fit.
My bad. I was just trying to explain what you wrote in your comment. Xavi at 21-23 years old wasn't the same player we saw from 2008.
I swear some people are stuck in FM mode when it comes to players like Anderson, his is a sicknote and will continue to be. Its not a reflection of his ability when he is on the field its his ability to GET ON the field that most of us have an issue with.
While late developers do exist in football (you can also mention RVN for example), they are rare.
However I fear that Ando's main problem is his inability to remain fit. Such issue makes him unreliable.
I will always think him one of the best talents in the world. The same way I go gaga over Gourcuff's ability. It remains to be seen if he will make good of his talent though.....
Still think he'll be one of the worlds best Chief?
I'm not willing to give up my ''faith'' just yet.
I totally agree! And that's why it's impossible to know if he's going to fulfill his talent or not. I'm skeptical and maybe it's to late. Brazilians have a tendency to blossom early and all that but at the same time it would hurt to see him go as such a young age.
I leave this to our manager and whatever he decides it will be for the best of our club but sometimes when an old man like me see's a special talent you want him to succeed, just like Rooney, Ronaldo and Nani. Nothing is sweeter then following a a little plant become a wonderful flower.
I will always think him one of the best talents in the world. The same way I go gaga over Gourcuff's ability. It remains to be seen if he will make good of his talent though.
I'm not willing to give up my ''faith'' just yet.
And I'm not willing to enter another multi quote debate with you, so we'll end it there
Not a lot, seeing as I would've been 12, and La Liga wasn't on here nearly as much, but he's been in the Spain international squad constantly since he was 20 and in that Barca team, and was always rated really highly. It's not a case where he miraculously transformed into the worlds best midfielder overnight, which seems to be the opinion of a lot of people. Xavi was always rated extremely highly throughout his entire career but he was never the focal point of that team until a few years ago because of players like Ronaldinho and Deco. We'd be lucky if Anderson turned out to be half the player is.
And I could ask you the same thing, how much of Xavi did YOU see at that age that allows you to draw the conclusion that comparing Anderson to him is logical?
You know you can judge a players talent and potential on what he displays on the pitch, despite his age and Anderson has never done anything to the standard Xavi does or shown that he could possibly do so. Also, he's 24, I saw Xavi quite a bit when he was 24/25, he was a feckload better than Anderson is.
Also, the bold part, constantly telling something they know nothing about football isn't really a good way to express your opinions now is it? Lots of players have recovered from broken legs without any problems, he was 18 when it happened, that's 6 years. You're using that as an excuse? None of his other injuries have ever been that serious.
I think injury is his main problem, he has alot of talent. It's not an agenda against him from folk.
I saw Xavi absolutely dominate a game in our treble winning season, 3-3 at the Nou Camp when he was superb. He'd have been maybe 18 then I guess.
To be honest, I'd take Fabregas over Anderson any day. He's twice the player.
I didn't realise he'd been playing for Barca that long.
Made his debut in 98. Was La Liga breakthrough player at the end of the 99 season, and became a first team regular in 99/00 after Guardiola got injured. He was excellent as a young player.
He wasn't consistently excellent as a young player.
We used to be linked with Xavi quite a bit during his mid 20's. I'd have always liked him here, even before he was the best midfielder in the world. I'm moving away from the subject though, but any suggestion that Xavi wasn't a class act in his early 20's is bullshit. He may not have been just as good as he has been over the last 4/5 years, but even as a youngster he was superb.
He's on 570 games or something. In his first 5 seasons he played 197 games, increasing that amount generally season by season. Anderson has played 145 games and is older than Xavi was after those 5 seasons, and this season played less than half the games he managed to play in each of his first 2 seasons. Xavi also had 40 international caps in comparison to the 8 Anderson has at 24.
I really don't get the comparison.
Yeah, he was. He just wasn't as consistently sensationally good as he is now. He was still consistenly excellent when he was younger, he's just moved it up a notch.
Xavi was always consistently good/excellent, he's always been known for it. It's just that he wasn't at the same level back then is all, but consistency was never a problem.
For what it's worth, I like Anderson and hope he stays, but the comparison with a 24/25 year old Xavi is a stupid one.
Xavi suffered a fair bit at the time because he wasn't Pep.
Anderson has shown flashes of what he is about...but injuries have been cruel. But I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as a youbng Xavi. It's a bit mental.
Anderson has shown flashes of what he is about...but injuries have been cruel. But I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as a youbng Xavi. It's a bit mental.
That is a total myth:
''But it hasn’t been an easy ride for the midfielder from Terrassa and the option to stay at Barça for his entire career was not always so clear. After Xavi had presented himself at Camp Nou, fans and media started to talk about him as the new Guardiola. Everyone was so sure that he was going to be like Guardiola that they became disappointed when Xavi proved to be not exactly like Pep. It would take years before people could understand that Xavi was Xavi and not Guardiola. These were years in which Xavi, who never really had strong self-confidence, had a hard time. He felt that he would never be able to win-over the supporters who wanted him to be like Guardiola. He started to feel that everyone was against him and that he never would succeed. The talk continued to develop and eventually blew up after Pep had left the club and gone to Italy. Xavi admits that he was really close to following his role model’s move to Italy with the chance to join AC Milan. Both his dad and brother thought he should go because it would be better for his career and it would be the safe choice. His mother’s advice proved the most influential as she told him to listen to what his heart wanted. So he did and stayed at Barça.''
That is a quote from an article on the evolution of Xavi. Written by a life long Barca fan.
It wasn't until Rijkaard took over at Barca that Xavi started to come into his own and to really become a Barca crowd favorite.
Weren't we also linked with him around that time?
It's his fecking mum's fault. We could have had fecking Xavi.
The bitch!
All that says is that the Barca fans were disappointed that he wasn't just like Pep. That says feck all about his football, or whether he was consistently good or not, only that he felt under pressure because he wasn't Guardiola, and that's what the Barca fans wanted him to be.
I'm not propogating some stupid myth I've heard, I know he was consistently good because I watched him play.
I think you're all missing the point here.
Xavi's mum is the reason our midfield is shit.
Xavi's mum is the reason our midfield is shit.