Anderson on his way out?

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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
 
golden_blunder said:
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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
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No, and nor should anyone. We took that risk last season and it backfired, leaving us to rely on Paul Scholes coming out of retirement. A midfield signing is mandatory at this stage, even if Anderson stays fit throughout the course of the season then it wouldn't hurt for him to have some competition...assuming he stays.

Though if theres any truth to these stories then we really ought to bite their hand off for £15million.
 
golden_blunder said:
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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
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Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
 
golden_blunder said:
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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
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It depends what you mean by "rely".

I don't think we should be relying on Rooney to be injury free. That's why we had the likes of Berbatov to score thirty goals while Rooney was out long stretches or off form a season ago.

If Fergie is expecting Anderson to be in the first team if he is healthy, and therefore is willing to make him one of four or five CM's in the squad, then, yeah, I'm happy with that.

All it will take is a nice run of injury-free matches, and everyone will be happy with Anderson again.

The problem with the injuries is that Anderson hasn't developed the consistency and ball retention that he has lacked for so long. He makes too many stray passes and aimless runs in the past.

He'll leave if the manager thinks the wasted possession and missed passes are never going to leave his game-not because of his injury problems in my opinion.

Personally, I still hope he can rein in his wild tendencies.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
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Bang on Pogue.
 
what im getting at though Pogue is if Fergie is umming and ahhhing, and he decides not to because he thinks Anderson will remain fit for a chunk of the year
 
Theres not a team in Europe that would take Anderson from us if there is a fee included. Im sure there are teams that would take him on loan but he is nearly always injured, has a reputation for being a party boy on his nights off and has never been consistent! He is not living up to his potential so Id say Fergie would love to let go of him but knows that he may be stuck with him for a while. Goal.com have never had a transfer exclusive about any player that ended up being true. Last year they ran a story that we had all but signed Sniejder and that the transfer was just minutes away.
 
The scary thing is that I think Fergie doesn't think the midfield is actually that bad and may not bother signing anyone. He seems more concerned with the attacking aspect of it judging by our signings and potential signings.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
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That's actually a really good point. It'd be nice to see Scholes and Giggs phased out this year, only playing when absolutely necessary. They shouldn't be relied on considering their age and knowing that they'll need to be replaced soon, but then again neither should Anderson considering his injury record. It would be stupid to not buy another center mid.
 
Cina said:
The scary thing is that I think Fergie doesn't think the midfield is actually that bad and may not bother signing anyone. He seems more concerned with the attacking aspect of it judging by our signings and potential signings.
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To be honest our midfield isn't really all that bad, IF all players manage to stay fit. The problem is that the key word is 'if' which in recent seasons has proven to be unlikely. I mean a midfield of Carrick, Kagawa, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and Scholes isn't bad at all, but 3 of those players have injury/health concerns whereas another is 37 years old. Its simply far too much of a risk to assume they'll be all good and dandy throughout most of next season.
 
golden_blunder said:
what im getting at though Pogue is if Fergie is umming and ahhhing, and he decides not to because he thinks Anderson will remain fit for a chunk of the year
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It wouldn't surprise me, and i wouldn't be any happier about it this year than i was last year.

Pogue Mahone said:
Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
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You are right Pogue, but we could have been forgiven for thinking that was the case last summer, yet he still didn't sign anyone. So while i agree with you in general, i don't really see how we are any more desperate for a midfielder this summer than we were at this point last year.

At least we have Scholes and Kagawa added to the squad this year, and we have added confidence in Carrick's capacity to play a full season at a high level. Something we were not quite as sure about last summer.

I am not saying we won't or shouldn't sign anyone this year because you know my thoughts on that by now surely! :D But we are actually better equipped this time around than we were last year. Nothing he does this year will surprise me more than he did, not signing a midfielder or 2 last summer.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
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Both Scholes and Giggs shouldn't be counted on as regular first team players but our "insurance" going into the season (and, with insurance, a more comfortable negotiating position: we CAN walk away).

If SAF expects Anderson and Cleverley to stay relatively injury-free (an impossible call with Ando, not as much with Tom) I wouldn't be surprised if they are his two and Scholes a luxury backup. Giggs would be similar for left wing and hole, with two ahead of him in the pecking order.

It is Carrick we need cover for. That's the one were we would be setting ourselves up for trouble.

Muppet dream that won't happen: Modric + Carrick backup
Realistic and well staffed scenario: a Carrick backup who can also play alongside him.
Worst case: no one. At the very least we should sign someone like Dembele.
 
golden_blunder said:
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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
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We tried that last season and it didnt worked out
 
RedKaos said:
To be honest our midfield isn't really all that bad, IF all players manage to stay fit. The problem is that the key word is 'if' which in recent seasons has proven to be unlikely. I mean a midfield of Carrick, Kagawa, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and Scholes isn't bad at all, but 3 of those players have injury/health concerns whereas another is 37 years old. Its simply far too much of a risk to assume they'll be all good and dandy throughout most of next season.
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Well it is bad, but not through lack of quality, we have good old timers, talented youngsters and a very reliable Carrick, unfortunately Carrick is the ONLY reliable one we have there, like you say, it's full of Ifs when it comes to all other players and that's just not good enough.

We cannot go into next season with such an "if" midfield.
 
golden_blunder said:
what im getting at though Pogue is if Fergie is umming and ahhhing, and he decides not to because he thinks Anderson will remain fit for a chunk of the year
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I hope he doesnt. He did that with 1 player this season and the gamble backfired. With so much at stake, the risk shouldnt be taken.

We need a CM, whether or not Ando remains fit, shouldnt be a concern.
 
apotheosis said:
You are right Pogue, but we could have been forgiven for thinking that was the case last summer, yet he still didn't sign anyone. So while i agree with you in general, i don't really see how we are any more desperate for a midfielder this summer than we were at this point last year.

At least we have Scholes and Kagawa added to the squad this year, and we have added confidence in Carrick's capacity to play a full season at a high level. Something we were not quite as sure about last summer.

I am not saying we won't or shouldn't sign anyone this year because you know my thoughts on that by now surely! :D But we are actually better equipped this time around than we were last year. Nothing he does this year will surprise me more than he did, not signing a midfielder or 2 last summer.
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This, we are indeed better equipped in the creative department this Summer. The only difference is you (most likely) no longer have the prospect of needing to phase in Morrison and Pogba.

Jones last Summer was probably considered a possible Carrick backup if needs be, but has shown he is miles from that and we now know for sure Fletcher is not a goer until January at least. It is that role were we would be comparatively more concerned now than last year.
 
Cina said:
I'd be disgusted if we didn't sign a reliable midfielder.
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I'm not quite sure how we can be certain of reliability. Anderson's performances in CM last season were largely excellent, and we could easily buy a player capable of matching or even exceeding that. But there's no way we can guarantee that that player won't also get a season-ending injury a quarter of the way through the season.

As an aside, people arguing that Cleverley is superior to Anderson are completely insane.
 
Chabon said:
Aye, but Modric isn't even remotely the player we need, even if he was four years younger. If we sign Modric for 30M+ and either Martinez or M'Vila move this window for less then I'd be hugely disappointed.
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Just out of interest, what sort of player do we NEED exactly?

I think a midfielder who is comfortable on the ball, can dictate the tempo of a game and actually retain posession when under pressure is EXACTLY what we need.

I would much rather have modric and scholes against iniesta / xavi / busquets than keane / fletcher types.
 
I'm not sure why Kagawa is being called a midfielder, he's basically a forward, he'll be competing for one of the 2 striker spots or a wing role.

golden_blunder said:
what im getting at though Pogue is if Fergie is umming and ahhhing, and he decides not to because he thinks Anderson will remain fit for a chunk of the year
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I would hope that Fergie looks at the likelihood of that from previous seasons and realizes that it's why we ended up with Park at CM at times last season.
 
No chance anyone will pay 15 million for him. With the kind of fitness record he has plus questionable commitment.

He's undoubtedly a talent but I can see Fergie giving up on him this summer. Too inconsistent.
 
Hoping that Anderson can step up & remain fit & be consistent is a MASSIVE gamble.

He's never proven he can do any of those things.

Looks good in spurts and basically has done for most of his career at United. The only consistent part of his game is getting injuries that disrupt his season and showing just enough potential that people hope he finally delivers.
 
The furore on here to sign another 'box-to-box or defensive midfielder' and yet, here we have one and everybody wants to sell him and buy unknown quantities like V'illa or Martinez .... nuts. Sure lets buy another like the ones mentioned, but why sell a player who is clearly very talented and has just been blighted by injuries which stop him getting a run of games.

We bought Bryan Robson aged 23 and Roy Keane aged 22 .... If Anderson can just move onto the next level that his talent suggests he can (much like Nani), then we have to remain patient.

Would be nuts to sell him right now. Have no idea why so many have jumped on the 'sell' bandwagon ... and for a modern day paltry 15million! You've all gone mad.
 
Devilton said:
Hoping that Anderson can step up & remain fit & be consistent is a MASSIVE gamble.

He's never proven he can do any of those things.

Looks good in spurts and basically has done for most of his career at United. The only consistent part of his game is getting injuries that disrupt his season and showing just enough potential that people hope he finally delivers.
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Like Nani, Fletcher and Ronaldo were also 'massive gambles'?
 
Yeah I got no problem with him staying here. He's a good option to have at the end of the day, especially with our injury record these past few seasons. It's not our job to worry about the wage bill.
 
I would bite their hands off for £15m. The idea of a club even dreaming of paying more than £10m for him at the moment is incredible in itself.
 
golden_blunder said:
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hypothetically, if Fergie was relying on Anderson to remain reasonably injury free this year and take one of the CM spots, and therefore not sign anyone for that role, would you be happy with that?
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Hell no.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seeing as we can be absolutely certain that Scholes' slot will be freed up by next season my personal preference would be to get that signing on board a year early and give Anderson one last season to see if he can sort his shit out.

If that means we're a bit too stocked in midfield and Scholes can't get games as a result, I wouldn't be too bothered.
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100 percent correct.

I'd be gutted if we sold him.
 
EB100 said:
The only reason I don't want Anderson to leave is that I fear we won't replace him properly.
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I am sure that we can find another overweight sicknote to take his place on the treatment room treadmill.
 
Yeah, let's be honest, how often in the past few years has not signing someone because we had just about enough cover worked out for us? The league's going to be tougher next season and it'd be far preferable to have options than having to shoe-horn in the likes of Park when we're low on midfield options. There are enough games to keep most players happy.
 
Brophs said:
Yeah, let's be honest, how often in the past few years has not signing someone because we had just about enough cover worked out for us? The league's going to be tougher next season and it'd be far preferable to have options than having to shoe-horn in the likes of Park when we're low on midfield options. There are enough games to keep most players happy.
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Indeed, and like Pogue said, there should be no problems with not giving Scholes and Giggs games if it means playing the likes of Ando and Cleverley should they be fit.

We really need another stable midfielder in there alongside Carrick, and not a youngster this time, an established player who can make the step up.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I am sure that we can find another overweight sicknote to take his place on the treatment room treadmill.
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One of the stupidest, most bandwagon esque comments I've read here in a while.

He's been unlucky with injuries, and put on a bit of weight whilst he wasn't playing, but I can guarantee you he wont be over weight coming into this season. He's a tremendous player, and I think he's good enough to start for us when fit, if he can have a good pre season, he will be very important for us.
 
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