Anderson on his way out?

I wouldn't want to see us get rid of Anderson just yet, I still reckon he has what it takes to make it here. I'd rather we persevere than see him go elsewhere and fulfil his undoubted potential.
 
Sort his fitness out, stay injury free and I'm convinced he brings drive to our midfield that we really need.
 
Yeah but what type of midfielder is he? Seriously, I still don't know what he'll eventually be. He doesn't seem defensively good enough to play a deeper role and he's not creative enough to play an attacking role. Is he just going to run around the middle being good but not great at everything?

Actually his dribbling and attacking the space(!!) are really good.
 
He's nowhere near worth that much now and there's no point selling him on the cheap either.
 
He didnt say Clev will never be better.. just that he is better than Clev at the moment.. and is young enough and not past his peak.
 
Cina said:
How can you make that assessment when Cleverley is younger and only started 5 games for us last season?
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That's exactly how I can make that assessment. When the two were playing well at the start of the season, Anderson was the main reason. He was better than Cleverley. At their best, he's better than Cleverley.
 
Cina said:
Yeah but what type of midfielder is he? Seriously, I still don't know what he'll eventually be. He doesn't seem defensively good enough to play a deeper role and he's not creative enough to play an attacking role. Is he just going to run around the middle being good but not great at everything?

Actually his dribbling and attacking the space(!!) are really good.
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He's never been a midfielder, it's just that Fergie's trying to turn him into one through brute force.
Whatever attacking ability/instincts he's had when he was 18/19, we sure as hell knocked them out of him by now.
 
The Neviller said:
That's exactly how I can make that assessment. When the two were playing well at the start of the season, Anderson was the main reason. He was better than Cleverley. At their best, he's better than Cleverley.
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He was better (debatable) for 5 games, he's also older, and has been playing in our team for 5 seasons. That was Cleverley's first season, not a bad start is it?

They both need a full season (25+ games at least) before we can go and flat out say one is better than the other.
 
Cina said:
He was better (debatable) for 5 games, he's also older, and has been playing in our team for 5 seasons. That was Cleverley's first season, not a bad start is it?

They both need a full season (25+ games at least) before we can go and flat out say one is better than the other.
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Currently, Anderson is better, so I'd keep him. It's a simple concept really.
 
Currently, Anderson is fat and always injured.

Playing better in a few games doesn't automatically make you a better player than someone else, you know. There are far more factors to take into account, so it's not that simple a concept.
 
Decotron said:
Usually rate your posts Chabon but thats simply not true. Its nice to see fans sticking up for one of our players (in comparison to treatment of say Fletcher/JOS over the years) but in Andersons case im afraid the above is wrong. Sometimes talented players just dont make it here. Not for lack of ability either its simply the nature of football.
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My anger was due to the way he's been regarded by supposed fans, much like your examples, but honestly, look at this list of games he started in 2011:

West Brom A 2-1
Birmingham H 5-0
Southampton A 2-1
Man City H 2-1
Crawley H 1-0
Fulham H 2-0
Newcastle A 0-0
Everton H 1-0
Arsenal A 0-1
Schalke H 4-1
Blackpool H 4-2

City N 3-2
West Brom A 2-1
Spurs H 3-0
Arsenal H 8-2
Bolton A 5-0
Chelsea H 3-1
Stoke A 1-1
Basel H 3-3
Norwich H 2-0
Galati A 2-0
Man City H 1-6
Galati H 2-0

Just try and remember those performances, he was great, apart from a lull in the last few games, and for the first few weeks of last season he was one of the top 3 midfielders in the league. He was also fantastic in pre-season. So yeah, I'd say the last time he was fit for a lengthy period of time he was great, as good as he's ever been for us. Why on Earth would selling him now be cause for celebration? It's fecking ridiculous. Seriously, there's barely disguised glee all over this thread.
 
Cina said:
Currently, Anderson is fat and always injured.

Playing better in a few games doesn't automatically make you a better player than someone else, you know. There are far more factors to take into account, so it's not that simple a concept.
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It is a very simple concept when it's personal opinion. You might not agree with me, that's your choice, but in my opinion Anderson is better, and i'd keep him.

This isn't to say I don't rate Cleverley, I think he'll do well for us. I just wouldn't sell Anderson, and I think he played more of a part in our good early season attacking play than he gets credit for.
 
I only said we should sell if we were actually offered 15m, other than that he's obviously worth keeping, just not at the expense of not investing in our poor midfield.

Like I said, I don't think either of them were particularly special early on. Good, but not great. Defensively they left us exposed as fewk.
 
I like Anderson, but I don't think he's going to reach the level some of us expected him to when we bought him for the price we did (£18m~). Maybe this is purely down to his injury record rather than actual ability, but in his time here I can only think of a few games where he really stood out. At £15million with his injury problems, I would be very tempted to let him go. We've brought in two midfield players and I can see us getting another if Fletcher doesn't come back and we sell Anderson.

To be honest, I was expecting to get less than £10million for him if we sold him.
 
The boy has talent but he's incredibly injury prone. If we get 15m for him then we should consider selling him.
 
IF we got an offer in that region I'd seriously consider it

Anderson needs an injury free run of games, I'm not convinced he is going to get that at United

Though we could gamble and say "1 more year" but my problem with that is that it will probably stop us buying another player for that position, instead being reliant on players to suddenly stop picking up injuries
 
I still wouldn't sell if we were offered £15million. If someone is prepared to offer £15mil for a player then they must see something in them to make them worth it. If he's worth that outlay to another club then surely to feck he's worth his current club holding onto him to see if he can fulfil that potential that makes him worth a £15mil bid, no?
 
Not sure I want us to sell a 24 year old CM when Scholes and Giggs have only 1 year to go and Fletchers future is uncertain.

However for a good price, if it opened up a place for a top drawer (or at least more reliable) CM then perhaps.
 
Question.

How would everyone feel if we let Anderson go for £15million and then signed Modric before our pre-season tour for £30million?
 
Would be astounded if anyone offered us that. If they did, and it was ear-marked for a quality replacement, I'd take it. To have been here as long as he with so many unresolved questions gives me little hope that he'll turn into a mainstay. Was hugely excited after that first season but that has dissipated injury by injury. Could he explain exactly what type of player he is now? Could Fergie? Whether this is the fault of the player or the manager or acts of God is largely irrelevant. Give me a quality defensive midfielder for Ando plus 10 million and I'd take it in a heartbeat.
 
Havak said:
Question.

How would everyone feel if we let Anderson go for £15million and then signed Modric before our pre-season tour for £30million?
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Kicking out a player we signed when he was 19 for the ready-made product who's 27 wouldn't sit terribly well with me, and would be rather out of character for the club.
 
Chabon said:
Kicking out a player we signed when he was 19 for the ready-made product who's 27 wouldn't sit terribly well with me, and would be rather out of character for the club.
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I wouldn't really look at it that way. I'd see it as replacing Scholes to some degree on more of a short-term basis (but still five+ years) and getting rid of a player who has had almost as bad an injury record as any of our players, for only £3million less than what we bought him for years ago.

This is all hypothetical by the way, as in IF we get £15million. If it wasn't close to that sum then I'd be less inclined to right off Anderson so soon.
 
I cant see anyone giving us 15m for Ando to be honest.
 
Look he definitely has the talent to make it here. But he is not fit long enough to train at the requisite level to play at top form on a consistent basis.

On that basis you look back over 5 years and you say is that enough for CM for Manchester United?

Can I build a team from that basis?

Is the past 5 years an indication as to what we'll get over the next 5 years?

Do I think Anderson himself is doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE and more to get himself into shape?

Unfortunately I think if there is a doubt to those questions I think if someone offers £10m then you sell and reinvest the money into someone who will be fit. You can't make emotional decisions based on some performances. You have to make business decisions based on what the club is, what other clubs are doing.

I am the biggest fan of Anderson - but I think the time has come to sell him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That "shits on Fabregarse" line always made me cringe, because it was so patently untrue.

Worth noting, though, that his performances from 4.5 years ago weren't actually as good as what we've seen from him more recently. At the time, everyone was getting giddy about this exciting young prospect but in terms of overall quality of performances he's definitely played his best games for United in the last two seasons.

Very inconsistent and injury prone but does seem to be moving vaguely in the right direction. I'm just not sure he has the right mental attitude to be the best that he can be (based mainly on the implications of his chronic lack of stamina)
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IIRC Ando nutmegged Fabregas thus the chant....stupid really.
 
Still ill said:
Overly sentimental.
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Sentimental, certainly, but in what way 'overly' so? I like the way the club does things, it's a source of pride, and tbh, how often has breaking that habit actually worked for us? I adore Berba, but he was a waste of money. Hargreaves was even worse, and the less said about Seba the better.
 
Im on the fence with this one. When he is fit he is a real dominator in midifeld, but he is hardly ever fit and spends much more time in the treatment room than he does on the pitch.

So i can see both sides of the argument. Personally, i would be interested to know in more detail what the actual problem is with Anderson and his injuries.

Is he suffering from recurring injuries, or are they all unconnected different types? Has he the type of physiology that means he naturally picks up injuries easier than other players, or does a lack of preperation and fitness cause him to pick up more injuries than he otherwise would?

From what i can recall there has never been a single specific reason why he is out so often, or any underlying problem highlighted to which his persistent run of injuries can be directly attributed. A bit more clarification as to why he is injured so often would give us at least a better idea on whether it is a situation we can have some optimism that it may improve at some point, or not!

I think it is the uncertainty over his fitness problems that has caused so much division between those who continue to want to give him every chance, and those who are simply fed up with not having him available often enough to regularly contribute.
 
Chabon said:
Sentimental, certainly, but in what way 'overly' so? I like the way the club does things, it's a source of pride, and tbh, how often has breaking that habit actually worked for us? I adore Berba, but he was a waste of money. Hargreaves was even worse, and the less said about Seba the better.
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Breaking what habit? Are you putting Anderson forward as a homegrown talent? He was a big money signing from one of Europes major teams, was a regular first-team performer in his first season. Are you suggesting we avoid signing established players entirely?
 
Sunny Jim said:
IIRC Ando nutmegged Fabregas thus the chant....stupid really.
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Its harsh to say it was stupid. Anderson came in as a 19 year old to a championship winning team and played very well from around September to March. Not many players can do that when they are 19.
 
McGrathsipan said:
id share the driving with you.

Can say ill be too bothered if he leaves.
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I'll loan you two my car!

Anderson has not lived up to standards. Injuries and just not adapting to Fergie's ideas for him has cost him. He came here as an attacking midfielder, very similar to Kagawa, known for his runs. He came here and Fergie wanted him sitting back more. Never worked out. Too man Hollywood passes and sausages.

I'd trade him back to Porto for Rodriguez too.
 
I personally don't think he will be sold, mainly because he is still young and there is still time for him to fulfill his potential before he starts to lose sell on value at around the age of 26+

The negatives and doubts about him have been well documented in the thread and I think most of them are accurate, I just think though given his age we might aswell keep him around for numbers in midfield if nothing else so we don't have to resort to playing makeshift midfielders like we had to last season due to injuries.

Thought he started last season very well, he scored in that great move against spurs and he looked full of confidence, doing his little distraction dance in front of the opposition's keeper's when we had free kicks.
 
Still ill said:
Breaking what habit? Are you putting Anderson forward as a homegrown talent? He was a big money signing from one of Europes major teams, was a regular first-team performer in his first season. Are you suggesting we avoid signing established players entirely?
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The habit of almost exclusively signing outfield players 25 or under, usually at an average age of about 21. In recent years this has become even more pronounced, and no, I'm obviously not saying Anderson is 'homegrown', because that would be ridiculous, and wasn't even remotely hinted at. However he has been a Manchester United player since shortly after his 19th birthday, and this does make any success he has more special.
 
Chabon said:
The habit of almost exclusively signing outfield players 25 or under, usually at an average age of about 21. In recent years this has become even more pronounced, and no, I'm obviously not saying Anderson is 'homegrown', because that would be ridiculous, and wasn't even remotely hinted at. However he has been a Manchester United player since shortly after his 19th birthday, and this does make any success he has more special.
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Surely you can see how weak our midfield is though? Usually when Fergie feels we need an area improved instantly he will go for an established player (not necessarily an already great one). Carrick, VDS, Valencia, Berb.
 
Cina said:
Surely you can see how weak our midfield is though? Usually when Fergie feels we need an area improved instantly he will go for an established player (not necessarily an already great one). Carrick, VDS, Valencia, Berb.
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Aye, but Modric isn't even remotely the player we need, even if he was four years younger. If we sign Modric for 30M+ and either Martinez or M'Vila move this window for less then I'd be hugely disappointed.
 
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