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So Carrick gets injured in the first minute? Then what? What's the point in having an unfit player on the bench when we already have cover for central midfield on the bench and Rooney who can cover that position when needed?
Our bench on Saturday was Mata, Januza, Young, Herrera, Fletcher and Wilson, Herrera is 100% fit IMO.
It's not 100% unfit or 100% fit. If really needed he could play, but we just didn't want to take the risk, since there's still an elevated injury risk. IMO there was no need for us to risk him against Arsenal. Especially not in the 89th minute, when it was all about being physical and defending and Fletcher came on.
It's possible he's not match fit. Carrick wasn't match fit even when he was on the bench until we had no choice but to bring him on.
I don't believe for a second LvG doesn't rate Herrera.
As soon as we have a more balanced and settled back 4, with more experience, we will see Herrera. LvG has to protect the back 4 as best he can at the moment and Carrick and Fellaini are the best of the match fit candidates to do that.
Like most people, I'd love to see him start against Hull City. Carrick looked knackered at the end of the Arsenal game.
Like most people, I'd love to see him start against Hull City. Carrick looked knackered at the end of the Arsenal game.
Surely with all the injuries we have at the moment LvG is not going to risk anyone he doesn't feel is 100%, yes he was on the bench, but he didn't really have a choice. Herrera will play when LvG feels it's right, we can't risk things becoming worse because the fans need pleasing. He is a great manager who knows what he is doing, anyone else in his position might not do the same. I respect the fact that he doesn't play anyone who is less than capable of putting in their best performance. Herrera will be back for Hull and I can see Falcao back for Stoke.
He's been on the bench since we played Chelsea on the 26th October. If he was so unfit he wouldn't be on the bench for so long. If he was so unfit we would have had Pereira on the bench instead of him yesterday. I think it's a simple case of LVG not wanting to start or play him.
Has anyone on here broken ribs before?
There is your answer. On the bench or not, he's not fit to be playing a professional football match.
There is your answer. On the bench or not, he's not fit to be playing a professional football match.
Exactly, I know people who have broken ribs and it can be painful just breathing...never mind running around a football pitch for 90 mins, would be agony
1. As a general rule, player swap rumours are almost never true.
2. Manchester United and Louis van Gaal won't kick out a player, who's been at the club for less than six months.
3. Pep Guardiola at Bayern already stated that there will be no further additions to the squad in the winter break.
4. Herrera is not Bayern quality and Shaqiri can be sold to a number of clubs without having to put money on the table for a player we don't need.
The rumour is most certainly BS.
2. Manchester United and Louis van Gaal won't kick out a player, who's been at the club for less than six months.
3. Pep Guardiola at Bayern already stated that there will be no further additions to the squad in the winter break.
4. Herrera is not Bayern quality and Shaqiri can be sold to a number of clubs without having to put money on the table for a player we don't need.
The rumour is most certainly BS.
If this is the case then why would he be on the bench? I'd question LVG and why he's wasting a spot on the bench.
5. Daily Express
Carrick was out for over 3 months and couldn't train, Herrera was 3 weeks and could, I don't think his match fitness would play to big a part? Obviously can't be sure though.
Has a journalist still not queried LvG about it yet?
I think the Leicester game made LVG realise we can't play the diamond formation with our defence, which Herrera did so well in, this also coincided with Herrera's injury and Fellaini's excellent form. Fellaini, Carrick, Di Maria and Rooney won't be dropped any time soon so Ander will be seeing a lot of the bench.
I think Herrera might still have some pain. He was good before his injury but poor with that protecting corset. Maybe LvG think's he better returns fully fit.
Herrera has a future at our club, he's quality. Would be totally stupid to let him go!
Herrera has a future at our club, he's quality. Would be totally stupid to let him go!
Yep. I'm surprised that he's even on the bench to be honest. He had a very good start to the season and then got injured. I can't believe for one second that LVG now doesn't rate him. It makes no sense.
Then people ask why we keep playing slow zombie football. It's nowhere surprising with these two in there, no disrespect to Fellaini's recent performances. We are in a dire need of a spark in midfield in order to have us play the way we are supposed to play, a.k.a. attacking the opposition by dropping the hammer on them with quick and accurate passes.
Having said that, playing Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera as out 3-man midfield would be more than fine by me in the current situation.
I really, really, really, REALLY hope we see Herrera start in the next match. If we dont I might be reduced to such an extreme state of mental fragility I might start believing what is written in The Express.
And were would you play Rooney then. Especially when Falcao come back. Rooney showed against Arsenal how good he is in that midfield/number 10 role. For me this is the best position for our, at least ATM, best player.
When LVG described his system in one of the interviews he said that he like to play with real number 9 and not a false 9 like Barcelona. If you put Rooney uptop he is best described as false 9. And i think this is why LVG said that he was not happy with Rooney playing as a striker.
As i said before i think, when we established regular back four, Herrera will come in the first team. I think he will replace Fellaini. But i think his recovery is a priority ATM. People should be happy that we have options for midfield.
That's the hilarious part, we have been moaning for years about the midfield, now we are still moaning when we have all these choices.
It speaks bad about LVG the fact that he can't get this guy playing, Herrera is what we have been missing for years and once we have it we are going to lose it to Bayern to get another wide player? Why?
Im sure there will be reasons but no way he's match fit. Breathing is difficult post broken ribs. I believe he will have him on the bench in the event of an injury to Fellaini but he is most likely playing with a corset which will restrict him.
He'll be back soon enough.
You really believe that?
It's about having options for a squad. If all goes to plan, next year we will be in Europe and have a lot more games to play. Herrera isn't really a #6, he's in competition at the moment with Fellaini for the #8 role. Fellaini has been in good form, and offers a physical presence against the better teams that Herrera doesn't. Also, he's had a broken rib.
He'll be back. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get some game time against Hull, then start the fixture after.
He'll be back. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get some game time against Hull, then start the fixture after.
I just want to see him being played.
Me too. But it's probably a combinaton of injury, Fellaini being decent and possibly our defensive misfortunes.
Honestly think Playing Rooney as a striker and putting Herrera as the 10 would be better. He showed he has an eye for a pass in pre season. Also has the work ethic to help us dominate too.
You could very be correct.
Van Gaal probably just feels a little bit of pressure because of his poor start. The last time he started Herrera he was clearly unfit and performed poorly. Does he really want to risk a half fit player (whether half fit because of injury or lack of game time), at a time when we need points on the board? Probably not.
We have an easier run of fixtures now so I think we'll see him feature against Hull (60 mins) and if he does decent then start against Stoke.
We have an easier run of fixtures now so I think we'll see him feature against Hull (60 mins) and if he does decent then start against Stoke.
I really hope he is part of our future plans. Swapping him for Shaqiri sounds like a very bad idea and I hope this is just the usual bs.
Does anyone else remember the interview where Herrera said that LvG had instructed to play deeper than he was used to? It wouldn't surprise me if he's been doing extra sessions to get him accustomed to playing the Scholesy role.
Who is he going to put on the bench? Pearson? Rothwell? The guy selling prawn sandwiches?
I was thinking of Pereira but those two as well. I'm not sure why it's so difficult to comprehend.
Tom Thorpe too as we had no defender on the bench.
I can not believe that Ander would be on the bench for the last 4 matches if he wasn't fit. Maybe the first match or two but its been a month of him sitting on the bench, no way we are wasting on a bench spot on him if he is injured and hurts when he breathes.
I can not believe that Ander would be on the bench for the last 4 matches if he wasn't fit. Maybe the first match or two but its been a month of him sitting on the bench, no way we are wasting on a bench spot on him if he is injured and hurts when he breathes.
Pearson and Rothwell are not good enough yet, no matter what all the ones who watch the kids think, probably McNair and Blackett aren't either, but needs must. He isn't going to risk even more kids on the bench if he can help it. I hate all this a kid has a good game against somebodies U-12's and they are ready for the first team rubbish, because that's what United do. No they only bring kids in if we are desperate i.e. the defence or they are exceptional, Class of '92.
Sorry, but the guy selling prawn sandwiches is not an option any more. He has been chosen for Liverpool's starting line-up on Wednesday. It'll be another Brentanesque piece of genius.
I think he isn't match fit and none of these games we have been in such a strong position to bring him on to get that fitness. Saturday LvG would have been desperate to get that first away win. I am a bit surprised he hasn't tried him in the U-21's. There again, the U-21's don't exactly play regularly, it is a crap league.
By the way is Tom Thorpe L or R footed? I am actually surprised he wasn't picked over both McNair or especially Blackett.
Also I think the boss is in a Catch 22 situation, that he would like to put him on, but due to the players he is picking and the loss of goal threat from RvP we are not getting in a strong enough position. Yet if he picked Ander we would probably score more goals, but the defence would not as yet get the protection. Earlier in the season, nobody was worried about that, but now we seen happy to not concede but be a bit boring going forward. I want to win, but would rather it was a bit more exciting to watch.
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