Amorim's Rebuild

[SER19]

Yup, I think we could easily reach the 100m mark even without any proceeds from any Greenwood sale to PSG.

Rashford - 40m
Antony - 20m
Sancho - 25m

That's already 85. I'm also pretty sure we will sell one of Zirkzee or Hoijlund this summer so that could give us another 15m to 20m. We should also try to move Case on. Eriksen and Lindelof will also leave (albeit without any money coming in for them) so all these frees up our wage bill. Despite all the doom and gloom of this season, I think the summer is going to be pretty exciting. We just need to get the right players in.

Yeah if we get rashford, antony, sancho, casemiro, eriksen, lindelof, and a couple of others out maybe malacia, I think it leaves a starting squad thats very thin, but finally a building base almost free of deadwood and failed transfers. (i think shaw will follow a natural path to leaving and mount will be given one more chance as nobody will take him, but I do think he'd be sellable next summer if he doesnt come good).

 

[romufc]

Everyone is talking about transfers and what not... are we going into another one of those transfer windows?

Seems very similar to last season, I suspect with more losses incoming, the pressure on the manager will get amplified even further.

Once we get knocked out the FA cup and Europa league, which is a when rather than If, his future will be looked at.

Are INEOS going to back him like they did Ten Hag for it to all blow back in their faces again?

I dont know what the answer is, but there are major doubts that Amorim will be manager this time next year.

I say he is sacked by Christmas.

 

[MCDC]

I watched the Monaco game last night.

Maghnes Akliouche looks a truly top player, always made the right decision, drove through midfield with pace, would be a great long term Bruno replacement.

Shame he has got PSG written all over him, probably wouldn't come anyway but for me this is the sort of player we should be targeting.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Adama Traore is out of contract in the summer so available for a free.

Can't think of that many players who fit the profile for right wing back more than him. Earns 60k a week at Fulham so we could effectively replace the wages we're paying Johnny Evans with him.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

Adama Traore is out of contract in the summer so available for a free.

Can't think of that many players who fit the profile for right wing back more than him. Earns 60k a week at Fulham so we could effectively replace the wages we're paying Johnny Evans with him.

God I hope not, especially with how much I’ve slated him over the years.
We need to avoid players like him who look dangerous but offer nothing.

 

[Tarrou]

Adama Traore is out of contract in the summer so available for a free.

Can't think of that many players who fit the profile for right wing back more than him. Earns 60k a week at Fulham so we could effectively replace the wages we're paying Johnny Evans with him.

Yeah right. He couldn't last 90 minutes in the wing-back role to save his life.

 

[B20]

Ten Hag will go down as your historically most noteworthy manager post-ferguson as his tenure was a time where you overstretched yourselves financially to make a genuine revolutionary overhaul of the squad and he absolutely botched it. Although Solskjaer must carry some of the blame too. Of his seven biggest investments (Maguire, AWB, Fernandes, Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho, Van de Beek) only one has left an enduring positive imprint on the squad.

Honestly, given how AVBesque Amorim is so far, I wouldn't be in a hurry to open the pursestrings for him. And not sure I would be even if he were looking promising.

I think you'd be in a better place a year from now if you focused on making cheap shrewd signings that can consolidate a top half finish and could have a squad role in a top four challenging team. Reduce and flatten the wage bill, offload those who don't actually want to be here and focus on next season being the kind of team Villa, Forest and Bournemouth are - A team that can become more than the sum of its parts where team dynamics accentuate player strengths, rather than a team reliant on playing to the strengths/compensating for the weaknesses of its best players.

In other words, getting in system players rather the "Great" players.

That's something that can actually be built on and evolved as opposed to what you are now and have been for a long time.

Honestly think someone like Traore could be a shrewd signing. Not as a starter, but he's cheap and could be someone who excels in a needed tactical function (ball carry out wide) and forces the opposition to consider him, regardless of how tame his end product is.

The only place I'd consider deviating from that is up front if the right player is available - Osimhen, Gyokeres. Right now, Højlund is just too awful to persist with and that's one position where marginals can really translate to points on the board.

 

[Fox outside the box]

Yup, I think we could easily reach the 100m mark even without any proceeds from any Greenwood sale to PSG.

Rashford - 40m
Antony - 20m
Sancho - 25m

That's already 85. I'm also pretty sure we will sell one of Zirkzee or Hoijlund this summer so that could give us another 15m to 20m. We should also try to move Case on. Eriksen and Lindelof will also leave (albeit without any money coming in for them) so all these frees up our wage bill. Despite all the doom and gloom of this season, I think the summer is going to be pretty exciting. We just need to get the right players in.

The problem with selling a player like Hoijlund is that we don't just get the money we sell him for. We bought him for around 60 and will be paying chunks of that over his contract. So if we owe 30 million on him (simple numbers just to make the point) then selling him for 30 wouldn't actually net us any money. We'd lose the player and not have the money to replace them.

This is probably why clubs don't sell players that fans insist simply should be sold. I often see requests to ditch players within a year or two but they never seem to consider that Ed haven't just bought the players outright, what we sell them for will likely have some or all of the amount depleted with the transfer owed. If we pay 15 mill per year for Hoijlund then selling him for 30 now doesn't give us 30 to spend. It gives us 15 at best but then we have to consider the 15 still due the next year, a year in which we wouldn't get a transfer fee at all. So we'd be at an instant negative.

Football manager and fifa have over simplified this process for obvious reasons, so people treat it as a very simple "in vs out" but it isn't.

There's literally a post on this page that does this.

"sell x for 200 million, buy y for 300 million, overlap spend = 100 and the squad is revamped"

None of us know the accounts, we're dealing with scraps of 'reports' about it really and I think we cause a lot of our own frustrations by assuming the real life market, filled with actual people, agendas, emotions etc etc all jsjt works the same as fifa. Want to sell Dalot? Just put him on the 'list' for 35 mill! Someone will certainly buy him because clubs are programmed to check the transfer list and look to buy whoever is on it.

Players aren't a packet of polos. You can't just sell them because you want to. Equally, you can't just buy players because you want them and have the finances. You don't jsjt pick the right options in the conversation and unlock a high morale rating that makes them want to come to the club.

Antony, for example, will surely be a huge loss. If we sell him for 20 then that's not even what he has left, we'd effectively then be paying to actually sell him because the 20 we receive would be swallowed up in his outstanding payments but there would still be 40 (or however much it is) left. You don't just bank that 20 mill and get to use it the same day on a new player.

I imagine players like Antony will be a huge headache to get rid of in a manner that means we get to use all or most of the money we actually receive for them.

This is why moving on academy payers is pure profit. You actually do bank the money you get for them. I'd expect it to be similar with players who have passed their initial contract length - the likes of Dalot, for example. Probably wouldn't have anything outstanding because we bought him more than 5 years ago.

Long story short, I think we frustrate ourselves by over simplifying this process and then getting mad that those at the club aren't following this clearly very common sense, easy approach. Most fans of most clubs complain that their owners/managers are awful/incompetent/non football people/greedy.

Maybe football club owners are just typically this way. Seems strange though that so many different people can be smart enough to make millions or billions but then are incompetent children when it comes to the basics of a football club. Or maybe it's just harder than we give it credit for?

I'd love to understand what position we're actually in, I'd love to know enough to be able to make a single post that shows how the football club can just turn it all around, lots of other fans are clearly so well informed that they do this daily.

I'd love for a few of our super football club running fans to stop wasting their amazing knowledge and skills and get to work at the club. Then they could fix us instead of telling all of us underlings on the Caf how it can be done.

Get in touch with the club lads, show them your post history, they'll see that you're obviously well clued up and have such a clear vision of how to fix things that they'll surely get you working there in some capacity? Not a chance they'd pee themselves laughing at how ill informed and delusional the average post is, is there?

If you buy a house for 100k on a 10 year mortgage, you pay 20k of it off over 2 years and then sell it for 50k, how much money do you think you carry over to spend on the next one? Do you get to just take that 50k you sold it for and put it all into a new house? No. You owe 80k still, so by selling your house you're now homeless and owe 30k before you even think about money to buy a new one - Sancho, Antony, Casemiro etc

If you'd paid that house off however or simply built it yourself, you'd have all of that money - Dalot, Mainoo, Garnacho.

But we'll keep over simplifying it all into in vs out with 3 or 4 squad lists set out in a formation which shows what players we then have for each position and getting mad because the idiots running clubs don't follow this blatantly fool proof method of changing the entire squad. It really is that easy.

 

[B20]

The problem with selling a player like Hoijlund is that we don't just get the money we sell him for. We bought him for around 60 and will be paying chunks of that over his contract. So if we owe 30 million on him (simple numbers just to make the point) then selling him for 30 wouldn't actually net us any money. We'd lose the player and not have the money to replace them.

This is probably why clubs don't sell players that fans insist simply should be sold. I often see requests to ditch players within a year or two but they never seem to consider that Ed haven't just bought the players outright, what we sell them for will likely have some or all of the amount depleted with the transfer owed. If we pay 15 mill per year for Hoijlund then selling him for 30 now doesn't give us 30 to spend. It gives us 15 at best but then we have to consider the 15 still due the next year, a year in which we wouldn't get a transfer fee at all. So we'd be at an instant negative.

Football manager and fifa have over simplified this process for obvious reasons, so people treat it as a very simple "in vs out" but it isn't.

There's literally a post on this page that does this.

"sell x for 200 million, buy y for 300 million, overlap spend = 100 and the squad is revamped"

None of us know the accounts, we're dealing with scraps of 'reports' about it really and I think we cause a lot of our own frustrations by assuming the real life market, filled with actual people, agendas, emotions etc etc all jsjt works the same as fifa. Want to sell Dalot? Just put him on the 'list' for 35 mill! Someone will certainly buy him because clubs are programmed to check the transfer list and look to buy whoever is on it.

Players aren't a packet of polos. You can't just sell them because you want to. Equally, you can't just buy players because you want them and have the finances. You don't jsjt pick the right options in the conversation and unlock a high morale rating that makes them want to come to the club.

Antony, for example, will surely be a huge loss. If we sell him for 20 then that's not even what he has left, we'd effectively then be paying to actually sell him because the 20 we receive would be swallowed up in his outstanding payments but there would still be 40 (or however much it is) left. You don't just bank that 20 mill and get to use it the same day on a new player.

I imagine players like Antony will be a huge headache to get rid of in a manner that means we get to use all or most of the money we actually receive for them.

This is why moving on academy payers is pure profit. You actually do bank the money you get for them. I'd expect it to be similar with players who have passed their initial contract length - the likes of Dalot, for example. Probably wouldn't have anything outstanding because we bought him more than 5 years ago.

Long story short, I think we frustrate ourselves by over simplifying this process and then getting mad that those at the club aren't following this clearly very common sense, easy approach. Most fans of most clubs complain that their owners/managers are awful/incompetent/non football people/greedy.

Maybe football club owners are just typically this way. Seems strange though that so many different people can be smart enough to make millions or billions but then are incompetent children when it comes to the basics of a football club. Or maybe it's just harder than we give it credit for?

I'd love to understand what position we're actually in, I'd love to know enough to be able to make a single post that shows how the football club can just turn it all around, lots of other fans are clearly so well informed that they do this daily.

I'd love for a few of our super football club running fans to stop wasting their amazing knowledge and skills and get to work at the club. Then they could fix us instead of telling all of us underlings on the Caf how it can be done.

Get in touch with the club lads, show them your post history, they'll see that you're obviously well clued up and have such a clear vision of how to fix things that they'll surely get you working there in some capacity? Not a chance they'd pee themselves laughing at how ill informed and delusional the average post is, is there?

If you buy a house for 100k on a 10 year mortgage, you pay 20k of it off over 2 years and then sell it for 50k, how much money do you think you carry over to spend on the next one? Do you get to just take that 50k you sold it for and put it all into a new house? No. You owe 80k still, so by selling your house you're now homeless and owe 30k before you even think about money to buy a new one - Sancho, Antony, Casemiro etc

If you'd paid that house off however or simply built it yourself, you'd have all of that money - Dalot, Mainoo, Garnacho.

But we'll keep over simplifying it all into in vs out with 3 or 4 squad lists set out in a formation which shows what players we then have for each position and getting mad because the idiots running clubs don't follow this blatantly fool proof method of changing the entire squad. It really is that easy.

This is all about book value, ie PSR.

I'd imagine cash flow is actually a more pressing concern for you atm.