And Ugarte, appears to have been a very good window.
Amorim's Rebuild
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You don't destroy a team if you at the same time admit that you could have been 0-3 down after 30 min. Let's hope that you are correct, I don't know what to think about Amorim atm. He might be a good coach, but he might also be out of his depth. I see only chaos in our pressing game and no progress.
That's a big if when you look at our recruitment over the last decade.
Sadly, I think we're about to sell one of the best we've seen for quite some time. Ineos are no better than the Glazers
Unbelievable really that we need another "rebuild". I still simply can't believe how bad we were on transfer market during our last two managers. I mean, we were not good under Lvg and Jose but under Ole and Erik it was absolute and complete disaster.
With being now biggest captain hindsight ever, in same year and with similiar money we could have do this;
AWB 》Cancelo/Porro/Trippier
Maguire 》Saliba/Militao
James 》Bowen/Martinelli
Donny 》Caicedo/Barella
Cristiano 》Cunha/Alvarez
Sancho 》Kvaradona/Olise
Antony 》Rafinha/Isak
Casemiro 》Onana/Lavia/Vitinha
Martinez 》Romero/Gvardiol
Malacia 》Estupinan/Mendes
Hojlund 》Cunha (second chance)/Thuram
Mount 》Rice/Mac Allister/Tonali/Palmer
Onana 》 Raya
What if.....?
With being now biggest captain hindsight ever, in same year and with similiar money we could have do this;
AWB 》Cancelo/Porro/Trippier
Maguire 》Saliba/Militao
James 》Bowen/Martinelli
Donny 》Caicedo/Barella
Cristiano 》Cunha/Alvarez
Sancho 》Kvaradona/Olise
Antony 》Rafinha/Isak
Casemiro 》Onana/Lavia/Vitinha
Martinez 》Romero/Gvardiol
Malacia 》Estupinan/Mendes
Hojlund 》Cunha (second chance)/Thuram
Mount 》Rice/Mac Allister/Tonali/Palmer
Onana 》 Raya
What if.....?
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Incorrect.
Seems like we’re more Outeos than Ineos.
Grab a coat?
Opinions can't be incorrect
Mount, Shaw, Casemiro and Rashford are currently huge drains on the club.
They all leave holes in the starting team which need filling, but how can you replace them, when they are unsellable and cash is tight.
Out of the four players, 2 are never going to pass a medical, nobody wants the other as his legs are gone...leaving only Rashford with a slim chance of departing.
Grim times.
They all leave holes in the starting team which need filling, but how can you replace them, when they are unsellable and cash is tight.
Out of the four players, 2 are never going to pass a medical, nobody wants the other as his legs are gone...leaving only Rashford with a slim chance of departing.
Grim times.
Mount and Shaw are great players when fit. Not a chance to sell them. Only hope is that they can get fit.
Casemiro will at least depart in the summer.
Rashford will get his move now or in the summer.
So it’s not all grim. It’s just that we would like to see it happen now.
That is wildly optimistic at this point.
Deja vu to last summer and this January...3rd window is a charm (I hope)
The only point I can see happening.
These ones really killed us off
Neither are guaranteed
This is a Tier I like to hear.
Though I rate him, I'd prefer Frimpong, as we already have too many teenagers.
I prefer Quenda, don’t get me wrong Frimpong is quality, I just feel like he offers the same threat as Amad has at RWB.
I get he’s 17 but we’re not competing for 2/3 years, so if Amorim thinks he’s as good as we all think he is bring in the next generational star.
Wouldn’t be against either just think Quenda is the next world star.
Love to hear it. Wonder what the fee will be though..
~€60m probably
But that's the thing, do we need a similar player type to Amad so urgently or can that wait for another year?
Besides, I don't know how expensive he'd be since Sporting will definitely want to keep him and what it would mean for the chances of a potential Gyokeres signing.
Comparing both players these are their pros:
Quenda:
- knows Amorim's system
- is younger, but a bigger gamble
- is left-footed, likes to cut inside
- Portugal connection (coaching staff, Bruno, Dalot)
- will need time to adapt to the English football tempo and physicality
- will likely be expensive (and what would it mean for a potential Gyokeres signing? Would Sporting allow us to get two players after we took their manager already?)
Frimpong:
- is a home grown player (massive plus!)
- more experienced, still "only" 24, yet he has only had one serious injury (Syndesmotic ligament tear, out for 53 days) in his entire career
- right-footed and has a good cross, which would benefit the new CF
- most likely cheaper, since he apparently has a release clause of £33m
- slightly better at defending (he's played as RB before and wasn't that bad, it's just not his main position)
- Dutch connection (De Ligt, Mazraoui, Zirkzee,
- likely to come in and become a starter right away
Both:
- have bursting pace, something we really lack in our squad
- compensate their lack of height with technique and balance, but have clear weaknesses in set piece defending
- are perfectly used to a 3 back system
For me many arguments are in favor of Frimpong, even though I clearly rate Quenda, too.
Just don't think it's the player that we need right now.
Both wouldn’t be the end of the world. Obviously assuming we can sell the players we all fear are unsalable.
Getting both would give us proper depth at wingback and Dorgu and Quenda can cover other positions meaning we wouldn’t be reliant on Amad for every single game.
Quenda is very exciting so worth the potential gamble and if Frimpong still has the low release clause it’s worth going for him - only thing that worries me on him is how small he is given we are trying to get more power in the side.
Good Points.
The problem is Frimpong has never played PL either, he went to Celtic from Citys academy and then Bundesliga, he might translate better but always a worry with the physicality and the lack of time you get on the ball compared to these leagues.
I think it comes down to cost, who is more expensive and who aligns most with Amorims vision, as he has played both inverted wingbacks and traditional during his time at Sporting.
The Gyokeres question is Sporting are a selling club, if we are willing to pay the fee they want we will get both, but with PSR lingering in the background, we may have to cut our cloth accordingly and pick the most important position, or higher rated player.
I was quite excited when Ignacio was linked, thought that would be an excellent signing at probably a low cost, can play across the back and in midfield, is probably better on the ball than most of our current mids, but that has all gone quiet, not sure if it is the priority position now or in the summer
He at least has done well in the Bundesliga where some very tall fullbacks play, as well as in the NT and CL. Besides that, apparently both players are 1.72.
For me, it depends on squad balance. If we sell Garnacho, we could replace him with another exciting talent like Quenda, despute different positions. But we should be aware that we need players in theur midtwenties too to be competitive.
Guys, why in the world did we not go for Calafiori (or however he is spelled) in the summer? Having watched him for a fair bit, guy is an absolute tank and has Gvariol-esque going forward. We were in desperate need for a left back yet let him go to Arsenal who are loaded with left backs..
I don't think he suits the LWB role and he's quite injury prone. Would have been a good signing to compete with Licha but I think we had other priorities. He was quite popular after the Euros and we couldn't compete with Arsenal anyway.
Agreed with the age profiling, we need a tad more experience in there. Really do like the look of Quenda though from what I have seen.
Personally hope Garnacho stays and adapts to suit the new system.
Cunha although expensive would be an ideal signing system wise.
The PTSD is real and after 12 years we're all feeling it. But Rangnick and Amorim have almost nothing in common. Rangnick was never hailed as the kind of visionary that Amorim was. The only equivalent to Amorim is ETH, and yes that went poorly but we were also still being run by the Glazers back then. Assuming they're a silent majority investor now, hopefully there's a key change that allows us the glimmer of hope of expecting better results.
Don't get me excited - is that source any decent do we know?
So no striker..... FFS!
At least we need to sign RWB, Striker, and midfielder in the summer. Quenda, Gyokeres, and May be Ederson. Quenda will improve our attacking area for width, Gyokeres will upgrade our striker and we’re desperate to have striker who can score, and May be Ederson will improve our physicality in midfield. If we still have more cash, then I’ll go get a centre back.
We have enough options for the R10 and L10 with Amad, Mainoo, Bruno, and Garnacho. And we still have Mount who we probably won’t find it easy to sell in the summer. So I don’t think we’re desperate to splash some cash for no 10 role.
We have enough options for the R10 and L10 with Amad, Mainoo, Bruno, and Garnacho. And we still have Mount who we probably won’t find it easy to sell in the summer. So I don’t think we’re desperate to splash some cash for no 10 role.
Doesn't matter who is striker. Wing backs are important but without a central midfield signing this team isn't going anywhere. Teams continue to just play through the middle without breaking a sweat.
That’s probably the most important position we have to cover. A good midfielder will instantly improve our attack. We just have to look at what Eriksen does in his limited minutes, he’s way past it, yet our best passer.
Ruben be careful there won't be a rebuild if we can't get things going in the league at home
Rashford leaving it late to go has messed up our January transfer window.
Ineos have been an absolute disaster. They make the previous “football operation” look competent. I feel for Amorim but a huge part of building a career is picking the right jobs. The chances of Ineos building him a decent team in the current climate are almost zero.
We need absolute rockstar signings at CM, Striker, left 10, and probably two CBs. Proper knock it out of the park level signings at those positions.
Eriksen and Lindelof gone on frees. Hopefully them gone as well as the sales of Casemiro and a handful of others can really set us up to do some smart and major business.
Eriksen and Lindelof gone on frees. Hopefully them gone as well as the sales of Casemiro and a handful of others can really set us up to do some smart and major business.
Those so called competent people are why we are such a state on and off the pitch. It’s not a quick fix and rock bottom may not even be this season.