Amorim's Rebuild

Roboc7 said:
Those so called competent people are why we are such a state on and off the pitch. It’s not a quick fix and rock bottom may not even be this season.
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It was tongue in cheek. What the Glazers have done to this club we may never recover from. What I am serious about is that Ineos are totally clueless. That is what the evidence suggests. Both at this football club and every other football club they’ve owned.
 
United Irishman said:
It was tongue in cheek. What the Glazers have done to this club we may never recover from. What I am serious about is that Ineos are totally clueless. That is what the evidence suggests. Both at this football club and every other football club they’ve owned.
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I hope you're not questioning Brailsford's knighthood-winning method of having twice as much funding as your rivals.
 
I dont see anything getting better. We claim to not have the finances, our recruitment is the worst in the league. We need forwards and we let our longest service striker/forward move to another club in the league without replacing him. We need a reset in the summer and a big one as many older players are not wanted here and we need quality footballers. Sadly i can see United be here for the next 2-4 years before we start progressing towards champions league again.
 
I'd love a big solid striker who holds the ball up well and is in the six yard box for crosses and pull backs. Garnacho got some lovely balls across today and nobody there. I know Hojlund was on the bench but even if he was on the pitch he'd not be there anyway.
 
Devil81 said:
I'd love a big solid striker who holds the ball up well and is in the six yard box for crosses and pull backs. Garnacho got some lovely balls across today and nobody there. I know Hojlund was on the bench but even if he was on the pitch he'd not be there anyway.
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DCL is probably gettable for us.
 
So two forwards out (Antony and Rashford) and none in so far. Gonna be a tough second half of the season.
 
There were stories Amorim would only sanction outgoing if the club would bring in replacements. Doesn't look like there will be any.

Dorgu looks like a replacement for Malacia who we're trying to loan out.
 
If the only incomings in the summer were Quenda and Gyökeres where would you say United could finish?

That would be after finishing 8th and 12th in the previous 2 seasons.
 
RuudTom83 said:
If the only incomings in the summer were Quenda and Gyökeres where would you say United could finish?

That would be after finishing 8th and 12th in the previous 2 seasons.
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Somewhere between 8th and 12th probably
 
RuudTom83 said:
If the only incomings in the summer were Quenda and Gyökeres where would you say United could finish?

That would be after finishing 8th and 12th in the previous 2 seasons.
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About the same signings hardly ever work out 100% so I doubt both would be a home run

Also back in for former coaches players from a weaker league what could go wrong
 
Gavinb33 said:
About the same signings hardly ever work out 100% so I doubt both would be a home run

Also back in for former coaches players from a weaker league what could go wrong
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"This time it's different"™
 
This summer is so important for us. We need a RWB (Quenda) and we dramatically need to strengthen the left side of the field. If I was looking to rebuild the team with young, high potential players that fit the system, while also providing us with squad depth to compete across all the major competitions, I would try and do something like the foloowing:

Out (145m):

Eriksen (free)
Casemiro (10M)
Sancho (25m)
Antony (25m)
Rashford (40m)
Lindelof (Free)
Dalot (35m)
Evans (Free)
Malacia (10m)

This would get some much needed funds in, and reduce the wage bill enormously. Of course all the fees would be reinvested, but the overall wage budget would be much lower as some of the biggest earners would be shifted and replaced with younger players on much lower bases and heavy incentivisation.

In (250m):

Lukeba (LCB) - 60m
Bynoe-Gittens (LWB/LF) - 65m
Ederson (CM) - 45m
Dibbling (LF/RF) - 30m (+20M)
Quenda (RWB) - 50m

Ratcliffe is going to have to drop another 90m into the club (max annual amount I believe allowable), but with the incoming fees, of which at least half are pure profit, will allow us to pass PSR without any problems once amortisation is considered. The wage basis for the club will also be considerably better. It doesn't bring us in a striker, but it improves every other area of the pitch, which I think in turn will have a profound effect on our ability to score goals. The oldest player on the list is Ederson at 25. A player who I think would be a natural replacement and/or partner for Ugarte, allow us to rotate Mainoo and not rely so heavily on him at just 19. Ederson has an incredible engine, but is also technically gifted, defensively solid, and can carry the ball phenomenally well.

Lukeba - A fast, mobile, technically proficient, powerful left footed center back, who can play in a back three, a back four, or at left back. Adds a lot of pace to the back line.
Bynoe-Gittens - Fits the bill as a right footed left wing back, and has experience playing there for Dortmund. Has a great engine to get up and down and provides a creative outlet and goal threat from the wide left position. Can also play as the left 10.
Ederson - An industrious and technical central midfielder. Adept at a high tempo, high press system, and superb at carrying the ball from deep. A very Amorim type player. Would fill the role Nunes had at Sporting, alongside Ugarte, under Amorim, but with greater physicality and defensive solidity.
Dibbling - We need more versatile options in the forward department and should be adding high potential young players to the stable. Can play in either of the 10 positions and provides superb technical ability with pace and direct running. Wouldn't be a starter but would be a great development project. Fits with our history of buying the best young British talent. Would get plenty of minutes as a sub and in rotation.
Quenda - Our single most important signing this summer I believe. Gives us the Amad effect at RWB but allows us to keep Amad as a 10. The potential for combination on that right hand side with Amad (and Mainoo and Yoro) is potentially mouthwatering for years to come.

People will be upset that there's no striker on the list, but I believe our biggest issue is systemic rather than individual. I believe that if Hojlund is part of a functional team unit that can threaten from both sides, then he will score plenty of goals, especially after two seasons of development in the PL. He may not be the answer, but I think the data and eye tests show that he is a player of substantial potential. At just 22, and with the right service, I think he could be on the verge of really blowing up. Just a gut feeling, but I think he has all the tools to be a great striker for us.

Potential first and second XI line ups:

Onana

Yoro ---------- De Ligt ---------- Lukeba

Quenda ---------- Ederson ---------- Ugarte ---------- Bynoe-G

Amad ---------- Bruno

Hojlund



Bayindir

Mazroui ---------- Maguire ---------- Martinez

Dorgu ---------- Mainoo ---------- Mount ---------- Shaw

Dibbling ---------- Garnacho

Zirkzee


Additionals: Collyer, Heaven, Amass, Gore, Wheatley, Kone, Chido-Obi

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* I think looking at those options, it suddenly starts to look a LOT better. We also have a series of young players who are hard to quantify at this point. How much will they contribute or be a part of the team? For example, Maguire could be moved on and his spot in the rotation could be taken by Heaven. Is he ready for that? Would mean a huge savings in wages and potentially a reasonable fee of around 10m. But we also have to consider that Martinez will be out until potentially September or October (until he is match fit).

* We also have Collyer in CM, who likely fits better than Mount, meaning Mount is part of the rotation of our 10s. But given his fitness issues, you'd probably have him fifth choice after Amad, Bruno, Dibbling, and Garnacho. And we cannot be paying a fifth choice 250k+ a week, it just doesn't make sense financially. That said, Mount is a player who could be an enormous asset - especially with his experience in a young side - if he could remain fully fit, and is good enough to make himself first choice. Problem is, there are a lot of ifs. Of course, if Bruno keeps playing deeper, especially as he gets older, maybe that does open a slot for Mount..... I think, whichever way you look at it, Mount is on the sort of money that is reserved for a leading player of the team. A critical point of reference and impact. I would say that he has the rest of this season to prove his worth (and by that I mean ability to stay fit and rediscover his form) or he simply has to go in the summer for financial reasons. This would further reduce our wage bill and rbing in some funds.

* I think the wide areas are still not the greatest. Quenda and Bynoe-Gittens would be an incredible wingback pairing. Two perfect players for those roles. And Dorgu offers something different, more physical, and can play on both sides, given us fantastic options. But the fourth option is Shaw. At Shaw's age, fitness record, and wages, does it make sense to have him as a fourth choice LWB? He doesn't even fit the inverted model that Amorim favours, although he would offer something different and be versatile enough to play LCB too. WIth this analysis in mind, he would be a player I would have up for sale, along with Mount. Not a comment on their quality, more on their fitness and subsequent place in our squad vs their ongoing cost.

* Ederson, Ugarte, Mainoo and Collyer is a very good selection of CMs, especially when you have Bruno who can play as a CM too and offers the expansive passing that the others lack. Ederson and Ugarte would be my starting two. Both have enough experience and are either entering or in their prime, which I think would be key to dominating games. This gives Mainoo the chance to develop as he should, through rotation and controlled exposure, rather than over dependence and ridiculous hype. I have little to no doubt that Mainoo will make the role his own in due time, and become an elite central midfielder; but he needs time to develop properly as part of a squad. This gives him that, and it gives us an engine room that would run anyone off the park. Collyer may not be good enough to be the 4th choice, but he is certainly competent. We should be on the lookout for another young CM who we can develop and has a high ceiling. That player may, of course, be Kone. He is the wildcard in midfield for next season, and it is impossible to predict how much of a role, if any, he will play.

* Forward players are expensive, end of story. To buy a ready made elite level talent, like Wirtz, is going to cost 100m+. This is outside the realms of possibility due to the horrific financial mismanagement of the Glazer/Woodward era. So if we can't buy stars, we have to do what United have always done, and make them. We already have Amad, who seems destined for big things. We of course have Bruno, who will always be a threat in the final third but is also getting older and lacks mobility and whose future may lay deeper. We have Garnacho, who remains a raw but exciting talent, and offers the sort of direct running that terrifies defences. He is a player who is still a season or two away from really maturing properly, but he is clearly an important part of our present and future, and must be developed and protected with upmost diligence. We have Mount who can come in - although I have already said we should sell him - and it is clear that we need another option to give us more of what he provides...direct running. Dibbling is the name I've proposed, for obvious reasons. A high potential player, with PL experience, from a team that is going down. Seems like a no brainer to snap him up and inject some pace, energy and vitality to our forward options. He wouldn't be first choice, clearly, but he'd be an important part of the squad with an open ended future. My first choice to add to the squad is Matheus Cunha. I think he is a player rightly lauded across these forums, and would have a huge impact on the team. I just don't see how we could make that financially work, as he would likely cost 70m or so. All things being equal, he would be one of my first signings of the summer.

* Strikers, I have explained why I would stick with Hojlund, but it seems to me that Zirkzee - for all his unique qualities - has to go. Zirkee just doesn't fit the type of player Amorim wants up front, or we need, and I don't think he would be amongst our best options in the 10 role. I actually like him as a player. I think he is technically gifted and has a certain class about how he plays. I am also not sure how he will develop. He could easily be one of those players that just blows up as he adds maturity to his decision making; but right now I don't think he fits and we are in a tricky place of not being able to carry any passengers because resources have to be scavenged and reallocated. So with a slightly heavy heart I would sell him and use the funds to buy a rotational option up front. Perhaps a striker with greater experience. I do not have an obvious option at hand, I would need to do more research, but I think options like Gyokeres and Osimhen would be beyond our reach financially. If they weren't then either of those two would work. 58m for Gyorkores would give us two excellent options up front.
 
simonhch said:
This summer is so important for us. We need a RWB (Quenda) and we dramatically need to strengthen the left side of the field. If I was looking to rebuild the team with young, high potential players that fit the system, while also providing us with squad depth to compete across all the major competitions, I would try and do something like the foloowing:

Out (145m):

Eriksen (free)
Casemiro (10M)
Sancho (25m)
Antony (25m)
Rashford (40m)
Lindelof (Free)
Dalot (35m)
Evans (Free)
Malacia (10m)

This would get some much needed funds in, and reduce the wage bill enormously. Of course all the fees would be reinvested, but the overall wage budget would be much lower as some of the biggest earners would be shifted and replaced with younger players on much lower bases and heavy incentivisation.

In (250m):

Lukeba (LCB) - 60m
Bynoe-Gittens (LWB/LF) - 65m
Ederson (CM) - 45m
Dibbling (LF/RF) - 30m (+20M)
Quenda (RWB) - 50m

Ratcliffe is going to have to drop another 90m into the club (max annual amount I believe allowable), but with the incoming fees, of which at least half are pure profit, will allow us to pass PSR without any problems once amortisation is considered. The wage basis for the club will also be considerably better. It doesn't bring us in a striker, but it improves every other area of the pitch, which I think in turn will have a profound effect on our ability to score goals. The oldest player on the list is Ederson at 25. A player who I think would be a natural replacement and/or partner for Ugarte, allow us to rotate Mainoo and not rely so heavily on him at just 19. Ederson has an incredible engine, but is also technically gifted, defensively solid, and can carry the ball phenomenally well.

Lukeba - A fast, mobile, technically proficient, powerful left footed center back, who can play in a back three, a back four, or at left back. Adds a lot of pace to the back line.
Bynoe-Gittens - Fits the bill as a right footed left wing back, and has experience playing there for Dortmund. Has a great engine to get up and down and provides a creative outlet and goal threat from the wide left position. Can also play as the left 10.
Ederson - An industrious and technical central midfielder. Adept at a high tempo, high press system, and superb at carrying the ball from deep. A very Amorim type player. Would fill the role Nunes had at Sporting, alongside Ugarte, under Amorim, but with greater physicality and defensive solidity.
Dibbling - We need more versatile options in the forward department and should be adding high potential young players to the stable. Can play in either of the 10 positions and provides superb technical ability with pace and direct running. Wouldn't be a starter but would be a great development project. Fits with our history of buying the best young British talent. Would get plenty of minutes as a sub and in rotation.
Quenda - Our single most important signing this summer I believe. Gives us the Amad effect at RWB but allows us to keep Amad as a 10. The potential for combination on that right hand side with Amad (and Mainoo and Yoro) is potentially mouthwatering for years to come.

People will be upset that there's no striker on the list, but I believe our biggest issue is systemic rather than individual. I believe that if Hojlund is part of a functional team unit that can threaten from both sides, then he will score plenty of goals, especially after two seasons of development in the PL. He may not be the answer, but I think the data and eye tests show that he is a player of substantial potential. At just 22, and with the right service, I think he could be on the verge of really blowing up. Just a gut feeling, but I think he has all the tools to be a great striker for us.

Potential first and second XI line ups:

Onana

Yoro ---------- De Ligt ---------- Lukeba

Quenda ---------- Ederson ---------- Ugarte ---------- Bynoe-G

Amad ---------- Bruno

Hojlund



Bayindir

Mazroui ---------- Maguire ---------- Martinez

Dorgu ---------- Mainoo ---------- Mount ---------- Shaw

Dibbling ---------- Garnacho

Zirkzee


Additionals: Collyer, Heaven, Amass, Gore, Wheatley, Kone, Chido-Obi

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* I think looking at those options, it suddenly starts to look a LOT better. We also have a series of young players who are hard to quantify at this point. How much will they contribute or be a part of the team? For example, Maguire could be moved on and his spot in the rotation could be taken by Heaven. Is he ready for that? Would mean a huge savings in wages and potentially a reasonable fee of around 10m. But we also have to consider that Martinez will be out until potentially September or October (until he is match fit).

* We also have Collyer in CM, who likely fits better than Mount, meaning Mount is part of the rotation of our 10s. But given his fitness issues, you'd probably have him fifth choice after Amad, Bruno, Dibbling, and Garnacho. And we cannot be paying a fifth choice 250k+ a week, it just doesn't make sense financially. That said, Mount is a player who could be an enormous asset - especially with his experience in a young side - if he could remain fully fit, and is good enough to make himself first choice. Problem is, there are a lot of ifs. Of course, if Bruno keeps playing deeper, especially as he gets older, maybe that does open a slot for Mount..... I think, whichever way you look at it, Mount is on the sort of money that is reserved for a leading player of the team. A critical point of reference and impact. I would say that he has the rest of this season to prove his worth (and by that I mean ability to stay fit and rediscover his form) or he simply has to go in the summer for financial reasons. This would further reduce our wage bill and rbing in some funds.

* I think the wide areas are still not the greatest. Quenda and Bynoe-Gittens would be an incredible wingback pairing. Two perfect players for those roles. And Dorgu offers something different, more physical, and can play on both sides, given us fantastic options. But the fourth option is Shaw. At Shaw's age, fitness record, and wages, does it make sense to have him as a fourth choice LWB? He doesn't even fit the inverted model that Amorim favours, although he would offer something different and be versatile enough to play LCB too. WIth this analysis in mind, he would be a player I would have up for sale, along with Mount. Not a comment on their quality, more on their fitness and subsequent place in our squad vs their ongoing cost.

* Ederson, Ugarte, Mainoo and Collyer is a very good selection of CMs, especially when you have Bruno who can play as a CM too and offers the expansive passing that the others lack. Ederson and Ugarte would be my starting two. Both have enough experience and are either entering or in their prime, which I think would be key to dominating games. This gives Mainoo the chance to develop as he should, through rotation and controlled exposure, rather than over dependence and ridiculous hype. I have little to no doubt that Mainoo will make the role his own in due time, and become an elite central midfielder; but he needs time to develop properly as part of a squad. This gives him that, and it gives us an engine room that would run anyone off the park. Collyer may not be good enough to be the 4th choice, but he is certainly competent. We should be on the lookout for another young CM who we can develop and has a high ceiling. That player may, of course, be Kone. He is the wildcard in midfield for next season, and it is impossible to predict how much of a role, if any, he will play.

* Forward players are expensive, end of story. To buy a ready made elite level talent, like Wirtz, is going to cost 100m+. This is outside the realms of possibility due to the horrific financial mismanagement of the Glazer/Woodward era. So if we can't buy stars, we have to do what United have always done, and make them. We already have Amad, who seems destined for big things. We of course have Bruno, who will always be a threat in the final third but is also getting older and lacks mobility and whose future may lay deeper. We have Garnacho, who remains a raw but exciting talent, and offers the sort of direct running that terrifies defences. He is a player who is still a season or two away from really maturing properly, but he is clearly an important part of our present and future, and must be developed and protected with upmost diligence. We have Mount who can come in - although I have already said we should sell him - and it is clear that we need another option to give us more of what he provides...direct running. Dibbling is the name I've proposed, for obvious reasons. A high potential player, with PL experience, from a team that is going down. Seems like a no brainer to snap him up and inject some pace, energy and vitality to our forward options. He wouldn't be first choice, clearly, but he'd be an important part of the squad with an open ended future. My first choice to add to the squad is Matheus Cunha. I think he is a player rightly lauded across these forums, and would have a huge impact on the team. I just don't see how we could make that financially work, as he would likely cost 70m or so. All things being equal, he would be one of my first signings of the summer.

* Strikers, I have explained why I would stick with Hojlund, but it seems to me that Zirkzee - for all his unique qualities - has to go. Zirkee just doesn't fit the type of player Amorim wants up front, or we need, and I don't think he would be amongst our best options in the 10 role. I actually like him as a player. I think he is technically gifted and has a certain class about how he plays. I am also not sure how he will develop. He could easily be one of those players that just blows up as he adds maturity to his decision making; but right now I don't think he fits and we are in a tricky place of not being able to carry any passengers because resources have to be scavenged and reallocated. So with a slightly heavy heart I would sell him and use the funds to buy a rotational option up front. Perhaps a striker with greater experience. I do not have an obvious option at hand, I would need to do more research, but I think options like Gyokeres and Osimhen would be beyond our reach financially. If they weren't then either of those two would work. 58m for Gyorkores would give us two excellent options up front.
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No CF is insane, even with your explanations. It shoukd be priority no.1. You say Gyokeres or Osimhen would be beyond our reach financially, but have such expensive players like Lukeba (who costs more, as he's got a release clause of €90m) or Bynoe Gittens (also likely to cost more given BVB's past transfer history; never deal with them again). Without CL it's also hard to get those players. Overall, we simply won't be able to spend that much money this window, unfortunately.
 
My squad rebuild suggestion:

LCB: David Hancko (27, Feyenoord) 20m
-> replacing Lindelof

RWB: Jeremie Frimpong (24, Leverkusen) 33m
-> replacing Dalot

Allrounder: Geovany Quenda (17, Sporting) 43m
-> replacing Antony

DM/CM: Johnny Cardoso (23, Betis) 10m plus Antony (let's hope Spurs don't activate their clause)
-> replacing Eriksen

CM: Frank Anguissa (29, Napoli) free
-> replacing Casemiro

CAM: Angel Gomes (24, Lille) free
-> replacing Sancho (and if possible, Mount)

CF: Viktor Gyokeres (26, Sporting) 62m
-> replacing Rashford (and if possible, Hojlund)
 
simonhch said:
Ratcliffe is going to have to drop another 90m into the club (max annual amount I believe allowable), but with the incoming fees, of which at least half are pure profit, will allow us to pass PSR without any problems once amortisation is considered. The wage basis for the club will also be considerably better. It doesn't bring us in a striker, but it improves every other area of the pitch, which I think in turn will have a profound effect on our ability to score goals. The oldest player on the list is Ederson at 25. A player who I think would be a natural replacement and/or partner for Ugarte, allow us to rotate Mainoo and not rely so heavily on him at just 19. Ederson has an incredible engine, but is also technically gifted, defensively solid, and can carry the ball phenomenally well.
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We have made heavy losses over the last two seasons so we can't afford to make a loss next season for PSR.

Even if and it's a big if we sell some big players for pure profit we still face a real battle to comply.

We might have to consider next season a bit of a write off and a rebuilding job sadly. We are probably going to have to make a lot of free transfer signings or loans rather than permanent transfers.

Bringing back Angel Gomes would be a decent start and Dominic Calvert-Lewin would add some experience and physicality to our forward line.

Another big factor is that we don't know if we will be in Europe next season. We obviously aren't making it through the league but could do it through the cups.
 
Case/Eriksen/Lindelof/Evans leaves on free
Rasmus OR Zirkzee(35)-Antony(25)-Sancho(25)-Rashford(40)-Malacia(15)=+140M
Striker(60)/AM(40)/CM(40)/RWB(40)/LCB(40)=-220M

We can fix this team with just 80M
Next year we can phase out Harry/Mount/Shaw
 
aeh1991 said:
My squad rebuild suggestion:

LCB: David Hancko (27, Feyenoord) 20m
-> replacing Lindelof

RWB: Jeremie Frimpong (24, Leverkusen) 33m
-> replacing Dalot

Allrounder: Geovany Quenda (17, Sporting) 43m
-> replacing Antony

DM/CM: Johnny Cardoso (23, Betis) 10m plus Antony (let's hope Spurs don't activate their clause)
-> replacing Eriksen

CM: Frank Anguissa (29, Napoli) free
-> replacing Casemiro

CAM: Angel Gomes (24, Lille) free
-> replacing Sancho (and if possible, Mount)

CF: Viktor Gyokeres (26, Sporting) 62m
-> replacing Rashford (and if possible, Hojlund)
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Some good options. Another alternative. If we can’t get Gyokeres . Could be Jonathan David on a free and then buy Cunha and Dibbling. With them two , Amad and Garnacho it would give us 4 good options from the wide 10 roles. Hopefully more goals and creativity . I don’t know much about Cardoso. But a player I rate from few games I have seen is Chris Rigg . Only 17 but looks a good player. Also not sure how easy it would be to get Frimpong. Think he is certain to replace Trent at Liverpool. Vanderson is another option and a lot cheaper.
 
It’s going to be a tough one. Heaton, Lindelof, Evans, Malacia, Eriksen, Casemiro, Antony, Rashford are all gone next season one way or another. One of Zirkzee/Rasmus will go, plus on Martinez, Shaw and Mount you have three players who probably won’t be available much.

Amorim is probably getting 4-5 first team signings maximum for about total of 200m so it’s going to be a small and very young squad next season I would imagine.

I expect us to sign a RWB, a midfielder, a striker and someone for one of the number ten positions. Other than that it will probably just be further investment in younger players like Leon, Heaven etc. I can’t see us being the market for likes of Gomes and David given the inflated wages they will likely command so Amorim is going to have to make do.
 
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MaMa given red said:
We have made heavy losses over the last two seasons so we can't afford to make a loss next season for PSR.

Even if and it's a big if we sell some big players for pure profit we still face a real battle to comply.

We might have to consider next season a bit of a write off and a rebuilding job sadly. We are probably going to have to make a lot of free transfer signings or loans rather than permanent transfers.

Bringing back Angel Gomes would be a decent start and Dominic Calvert-Lewin would add some experience and physicality to our forward line.

Another big factor is that we don't know if we will be in Europe next season. We obviously aren't making it through the league but could do it through the cups.
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I don't think either Gomes or Calvert-Lewin are of the standard required to propel us forward to be frank. Gomes as a squad player, yes.

In terms of PSR let me point out that, sales of Rashford and Dalot would net around 75m in pure profit that could go on the books that same year. Even if we spent 250M in transfer fees on incoming players, those fees would be amortised over 5 years (approx) meaning only 50m would go on the books next year. Hence we would actually make a profit of 25M in PSR terms. Of course we would have to worry about the rest of the organisational profitability, but if the big earners were shifted off the books, wages would come down significantly even with those new signings. The other issue are the existing amortisations already on the books, which would eat into PSR, but in year on year trading in isolation, we could sell the players I listed, sign the ones I suggested and make a single year PSR profit. In terms of cash management, and previous year amortisations that affect next year's books, your guess is as good as mine. It could also mean that the following year we have to make player sales without any significant signings. But seeing as the following year it is expected to switch to anchoring, I am not sure that the same issue anymore.
 
Amorim saying in the presser they will need to sell to buy in the summer - it was a short exchange with Stone and seemed more a reply to close him down - with the number we already know are likely to be sold or released it’s concerning if they will need to additionally sell players they would ideally retain to fund the rebuild
 
Aside from the more obvious departures I think we'll end up trying to move Garnacho on again, would also predict that Collyer and Amass will be sold for reasonable fees + sell-on percentage.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s going to be a tough one. Heaton, Lindelof, Evans, Malacia, Eriksen, Casemiro, Antony, Rashford are all gone next season one way or another. One of Zirkzee/Rasmus will go, plus on Martinez, Shaw and Mount you have three players who probably won’t be available much.

Amorim is probably getting 4-5 first team signings maximum for about total of 200m so it’s going to be a small and very young squad next season I would imagine.

I expect us to sign a RWB, a midfielder, a striker and someone for one of the number ten positions. Other than that it will probably just be further investment in younger players like Leon, Heaven etc. I can’t see us being the market for likes of Gomes and David given the inflated wages they will likely command so Amorim is going to have to make do.
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No European football for United next season, though, so no midweek games to worry about. A smaller squad, in that context, isn't quite so much of a worry.
 
Infra-red said:
No European football for United next season, though, so no midweek games to worry about. A smaller squad, in that context, isn't quite so much of a worry.
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The way he works the players with high energy, high intensity football he’ll still need.a 27 man squad, especially if you keep Shaw and Mount?
 
Mateta scores for palace again. The guy is ideal for Amorim's 343, seeing as palace also play 343. We need to find someone like him to be the focal point of the attack. Big, strong, can hold up the ball, run the channels, occupy both centrebacks etc etc.

We can't afford a WC/elite CF. We need a striker who fits Amorim's system who can be bought at a reasonable price. Someone like mateta would be ideal, but probably too expensive as he's already in PL.
 
dinostar77 said:
Mateta scores for palace again. The guy is ideal for Amorim's 343, seeing as palace also play 343. We need to find someone like him to be the focal point of the attack. Big, strong, can hold up the ball, run the channels, occupy both centrebacks etc etc.

We can't afford a WC/elite CF. We need a striker who fits Amorim's system who can be bought at a reasonable price. Someone like mateta would be ideal, but probably too expensive as he's already in PL.
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Would snap him up in a heartbeat 2 years left on his deal, unfortunately will be to expensive sadly.

I do think we could improve our team by just shopping in the relegated sides, I’m expecting it to be these 3.

Southampton- Dibbling & Fernandes
Ipswich - Delap & Hutchinson
Leicester - El Khannouss
 
Summer 2025 rebuild realistically:

2 Wingbacks: Quenda & Doughty
1 striker: Liam Delap
2 midfielders: Unknowns (probably someone with good physicality since we have Mazraoui and Licha in defense so we probably need bit of physicality to balance it out).
 
He will surely sacrifice Garnacho, who is homegrown so good for PSR and doesn't suit his system.
 
He seems incapable of change, I get that he wants to play a certain way even though we don't have the personnel for it, but to me it seems he's only capable of this one system, what happens if this system isn't effective in the Premier league after his rebuild. He seems either a very limited or extremely stubborn manager. For his system to work we need about 5 more players, we're not getting that in one window so we'll be pretty poor again next year.unless he can adapt his approach.
 
Jobe Bellingham should be high on our list, esp if Sunderland don’t get promoted.
We’re lacking physicality and he’s only 19.
 
I would hope that Rashford and Antony sales would get us somewhere close to 50m. Supposedly we could end up getting another 30 for a greenwood sale to PSG. Sancho will be 25. So that's around 105m all going well, not to mention that these players represent an enormous wage bill.

Obviously, we havent been short of money in the past, its the wasting of it that has killed us.
 
SER19 said:
I would hope that Rashford and Antony sales would get us somewhere close to 50m. Supposedly we could end up getting another 30 for a greenwood sale to PSG. Sancho will be 25. So that's around 105m all going well, not to mention that these players represent an enormous wage bill.

Obviously, we havent been short of money in the past, its the wasting of it that has killed us.
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Yup, I think we could easily reach the 100m mark even without any proceeds from any Greenwood sale to PSG.

Rashford - 40m
Antony - 20m
Sancho - 25m

That's already 85. I'm also pretty sure we will sell one of Zirkzee or Hoijlund this summer so that could give us another 15m to 20m. We should also try to move Case on. Eriksen and Lindelof will also leave (albeit without any money coming in for them) so all these frees up our wage bill. Despite all the doom and gloom of this season, I think the summer is going to be pretty exciting. We just need to get the right players in.
 
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