Feel sorry for Amorin because we won’t get players through the door without significant sales. With Casemiro seemingly happy to let us sell youngsters so he can rot on the bench, and Rashford happy just to let the club struggle whilst he doesn’t even bother to break a sweat. Then there’s Antony who wants to fight for a place that isn’t possible. It’s a bleak picture and a couple of years to get rid of these clowns.
Amorim's Rebuild
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Don't blame the players, except for Rashford, blame the clowns who gave them their contracts. Why would they take pay cuts?
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He’s too little.
Theres a lot of quality players in smaller PL clubs...
Bryan Mbuemo
Matheus Cunha
Morgan Rogers
Morgan Gibbs-White
Tyler Dibling
Ryan Ait Nouri
Milos Kerkez
Murilo
These are young top players, PL proven so less time need to adapt.
Any of them will want to play for us and will add a lot of quality to our squad.
Bryan Mbuemo
Matheus Cunha
Morgan Rogers
Morgan Gibbs-White
Tyler Dibling
Ryan Ait Nouri
Milos Kerkez
Murilo
These are young top players, PL proven so less time need to adapt.
Any of them will want to play for us and will add a lot of quality to our squad.
Either Jim is hiding behind PSR when we can spend or we are keeping our targets very close to our chest till they are more advanced.
Fwd - Mathys Tel/Hugo Ekitike
10 - Cherki, Nypan/Dibbling (play Amad RWB)
MF - Baleba
LWB - Can't decide - don't love the realistic options
LCB - Lucumi
10 - Cherki, Nypan/Dibbling (play Amad RWB)
MF - Baleba
LWB - Can't decide - don't love the realistic options
LCB - Lucumi
Not sure why we’d get 10’s that have worse productivity than Amad and shoehorn him back to the wingback spot.
Because we need attacking wingbacks and in my opinion Amad has been better playing in the wingback position. He got a hattrick playing there last night and off the top of my head he's been more productive from the position as he gets more space to isolate opponents. Cherki represents a bit of risk as he's a bit of a maverick but I think the gamble would be worth it given I don't think he'd cost that much and his potential is as high as anyone's in world football. Nypan would be another relatively cheap punt for someone with a high ceiling and you wouldn't really be buying either him or Dibbling based on current productivity.
Most will cost the price of a small country. Dibling , Ait Nouri and maybe Cunha the most gettable. Rogers, Gibbs White and Murillo. We would get absolutely fleeced on transfer fees. But agree all players that improve us
I agree, those are my wishes. But its realistic to buy 2-3 of them. Soton is on his way back to championship so maybe Dibling for 20-30milions? Great options on the right side to rotate with Amad and to play together sometimes(Amad on wing back). As you said Ait Nouri and Cunha are gettable.
Another great young player is Huijsen. Really top player and only 19yo.
Maybe INEOS will suprise us and spend a lot of money.
CB - Murilo or Huijsen
LWB - Ait Nouri or Kerkez
LAM - Cunha or Rogers or Gibbs White
RAM - Mbuemo or Dibbling
Joao Gomes and Delap too.
And they would all cost a silly premium. No premier league team is short of money. Premium prices all round.
My fear is that it's the former hence there not being any noise on signings for this window
I for one really fear for the future, like it or not man shity have managed to overcome all the boundaries of psr and we for one reason or another seemingly can’t. Is is the debt the glazers have saddled on the club meaning we can’t do what we need to compete? Man City with 115 charges have spent over 150 million in January. My message to sir Jim and the glazers, if you can’t compete sell to someone who can. It’s hard enough without a handicap, we need to compete and even surpass Man City if we are to see progress.
We really should be putting the feelers out on Angelo Stiller, I watched him yesterday and he was brilliant. His passing range and defensive capabilities are exactly what we need. I think this stat is telling.
I like the Mateus Fernandes shout, the coach knows all about him and he'll be available pretty cheap when Saints go down. Those 2 would both be great options for our midfield which is going to be pretty light at the end of the season. Stiller, Fernandes, Mainoo, Ugarte and Collyer is a great mix of options though.
I like the Mateus Fernandes shout, the coach knows all about him and he'll be available pretty cheap when Saints go down. Those 2 would both be great options for our midfield which is going to be pretty light at the end of the season. Stiller, Fernandes, Mainoo, Ugarte and Collyer is a great mix of options though.
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Yes looking like that, sadly.
I don't think he did really. Amorim seemed to change the setup a couple of times late on as we were looking for goals. First goal Amad was RWB in the normal 3421, second goal he seemed more like a RW in a 442 (he was staying much higher up, Antony had moved more central and the defenders had shuffled over a bit), then third goal he had switched with Antony and was the right #10 in the 3421.
I'm largely happy with Amad in either position and it'll be interesting to see which one Amorim prioritises to buy.
Players I would look at bringing in if I was Amorim...
January -
Alvaro Fernandez
Summer -
Dibbling
Gyorkeres
Ederson
Ait-Nouri or Kerkez to rotate with Fernandez
Think this would work quite well and is realistic. We desperately need a striker first which is where the main budget should go. I would bring back Fernandez's this month but I can't see it happening, it's such a good deal and a no brainer.
After that we should be looking at a young dynamic attacker for the 10 role if Garnacho leaves. Finally bring in a top left wing back to share the load with Fernandez and a top midfielder like Ederson.
5 signings which I think could really help us.
January -
Alvaro Fernandez
Summer -
Dibbling
Gyorkeres
Ederson
Ait-Nouri or Kerkez to rotate with Fernandez
Think this would work quite well and is realistic. We desperately need a striker first which is where the main budget should go. I would bring back Fernandez's this month but I can't see it happening, it's such a good deal and a no brainer.
After that we should be looking at a young dynamic attacker for the 10 role if Garnacho leaves. Finally bring in a top left wing back to share the load with Fernandez and a top midfielder like Ederson.
5 signings which I think could really help us.
Love all the talk about these potential players. Bear in mind other clubs (PL and abroad) will have European football to offer and better team to intergrate them into. Maybe we are not the most attractive club anymore and can't get the best players at the moment.
Appears as though Jim is happy to pretend we can't sign due to psr this window
I really don't trust ineos to transform the squad to the extent needed in the summer so question whether champions league will be achievable next year
The summer window really was a disaster we retained ten hag and only de ligt and mazhroui improved the team. Even mazhroui is best in a position we no longer play. We can't afford to spend rhe best part of £100m on players that don't improve the team immediately
I really don't trust ineos to transform the squad to the extent needed in the summer so question whether champions league will be achievable next year
The summer window really was a disaster we retained ten hag and only de ligt and mazhroui improved the team. Even mazhroui is best in a position we no longer play. We can't afford to spend rhe best part of £100m on players that don't improve the team immediately
If Malacia, Rashford and Antony are on their way out, we'd better be signing atleast 3 players in January.
We can't keep continuing to thin the squad out, and then wonder why we have no depth in positions or can't rotate. We need 3 starting level players in January if they all go on loan.
LWB, midfielder, number 10 and striker would be an ideal world.
We can't keep continuing to thin the squad out, and then wonder why we have no depth in positions or can't rotate. We need 3 starting level players in January if they all go on loan.
LWB, midfielder, number 10 and striker would be an ideal world.
Its fight time we seriously scouted the free transfer market.
Summer transfer window was far from a disaster. The 2 you mentioned have been good, Ugarte has grown into his role, and Zirkzee is hopefully improving, but the only one who has really been a disappointment.
I don’t see why suddenly everyone puts all their hope for a 10 on 18 year old Dibbling. Yes he’ll be available at a low rate, especially if SoTo go down. But at his age he will have his setbacks even in a team doing well. Let alone when he ends up at Man Utd, the killer of promising careers. He’s not ready. We need players how can contribute
Xavi Simons will be 2-3x the price but he’s the best option out there. Miles better than Cunha or Kudus. He’s only 21 and he owns the Bundesliga. His speed, workrate, output and intensity are there already. Mentality wise very strong. That’s the kind of player we need
Xavi Simons will be 2-3x the price but he’s the best option out there. Miles better than Cunha or Kudus. He’s only 21 and he owns the Bundesliga. His speed, workrate, output and intensity are there already. Mentality wise very strong. That’s the kind of player we need
Lookman is a different monster these days, he would be incredible for the 3-4-3.
The biggest fail was keeping ten hag, and to he fair I missed ugarte off my list and agree he is doing well now. Still think zirkzee and yoro for the best part of £100m were not good signings
Zirkzee does OK off the bench at times but seems to have big limitations, and yoro has a lot of potential but doesn't improve the team right now. Given how weak our team is in areas I am sure we could have bought two or three players that would immediately improve it
If Amorim can make this team his own, and the players perfect his style, then the RWB in his formation plays very high anyway. Amad will be a RW essentially.
At the moment we still do a lot of defending because we aren’t up to scratch, but I don’t think we need to put Amad in that 10 role, we should look for players that can work with him out wide.
Whitwell hinted we will replace Antony this window.
Gyokeres - 70m
Semenyo - 60m
Ederson - 50m
Carreras - 16m
Dibling -30m
Gyokeres
Fernandes Semenyo
Carreras Ederson Ugarte Amad
Martinez De Ligt Mazraoui
Onana
Semenyo - 60m
Ederson - 50m
Carreras - 16m
Dibling -30m
Gyokeres
Fernandes Semenyo
Carreras Ederson Ugarte Amad
Martinez De Ligt Mazraoui
Onana
All the talk about the players we'd love to buy is irrelevant until we are able to move on our underperformers on big contracts.
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This lad looks like he’ll be a very good player. I’d definitely pay what it takes to bring him here.
Completely forgot Yoro! He’s a long term investment and outside the last game has looked great! Feel like he’s one for 2 years down the line.
What do you think, which position suits Amad the most?
For me, it is one of the 10 spots every day of the week. No doubt, he looked good as WB but only because we are starved from attacking fullbacks for years. Every player who puts in a shift out wide, is gritty against the ball, is happy to take on opponents and has some end product would look good in our system given that the alternatives are Mazraoui and Dalot. And thats not me calling them bad players but in my eyes, not suited for a somewhat attacking wingback position.
Bing heavily linked to the scousers after missing out on zubimendi.
I'd lean towards #10 as well, largely due to him not being quite strong or fast enough for the wingback role IMO. Ideally I'd want someone a bit more physically robust in that role.
I agree. Man, I'd kill to bring in somebody like Valencia back from time for that. The man with no agent.
It's good that he can do both. In this system sometimes you'll want a winger at wing back, sometimes you'll want a more defensive option. Against weaker team you basically throw another attacker like Garnacho (or a new #10 that we sign) in attack and play Amad on the right, while in bigger games you push him up.
I agree. Amad can do both but I think, being better than all our other options doesn't necessarily mean that he is very good option there. I think, he lacks a bit of physicality there and I'd rather see him playing in the 10 spot as he is very suited to that with his intelligence, very good technique and especially his close control. I think, it would be better to play Amad there and buy a wingback than the other way around.
But for the time being, I think the way you describe definitely makes sense.
Getting worried he won't get the chance