Olmo - FreeIf we get Nunes, Ederson, Jonathan David(only cause he is free) and a #10 it would be a good start.
Nunes - £30-35m
Ederson - £50m
Jonathan David - Free
Trincao - £35m
Angel Gomes - Free
Frimpong - £40-50m
Yea but his wage is going to be high and he is seriously injury prone.Olmo - Free
Shaw yes, but what on earth makes you think Mount is any solution?Imagine we had Shaw and Mount fully fit, we might actually have a chance.
Seriously .... do you think we don't ?This is i agree with. Some posters going mad saying we need six/seven new players.
Cherki is an interesting one. Wonder with Lyons’ financial trouble how much will they want for him?Reading another thread in the main forum about not winning anything with kids and one poster commenting about Liverpools squad being spread with players at entering or at their peak. The OP for that thread also suggested that historically our best teams have always had between 2 and 4 senior players at their peak having very good and consistent seasons, who have spearheaded us to success and been great professionals for the squad to look up to.
Looking at Liverpool today, their 2-4 seniors at their peak are probably Salah, Van Dijk, Mac Allister, Luis Diaz, plus maybe Trent, with a bunch of others about to hit their peak too. They aren’t relying on or needing u23s to lead the way, which is the gaping difference with our squad at the moment. This is what we need to aspire for our squad over the next 2-3 seasons before we can consider ourselves ready to challenge.
Thinking ahead to the 2027/28 season when Berrada has publicly (and rather bravely) announced that we aim to win the league again, and assuming Amorim steadies the ship and is still here, the players I expect to be here are (with their age come 27/28 season):
De Ligt (28)
Yoro (22)
Mainoo (22)
Ugarte (26)
Amad (25)
Hojlund (24)
This really isn’t a bad platform when looking to the future. The current holes in the squad are quite glaring however, and so these must be patched up with quality players at or about to hit their peaks. The players / type of players I would be heavily targeting over the coming season or two (with their age come 27/28 season) are:
LCB - Gonçalo Inacio (26)
RCB/CB - Ousmane Diomande (24)
LWB - Nuno Mendes (25) / Miguel Gutierrez (26)
RWB - Geovany Quenda (20)
DM - Joao Gomes (26)
CM - Nico Gonzalez (25)
AM - Rayan Cherki (24)
AM - Matheus Cunha (28)
ST - Victor Osimhen (28) / Lois Openda (27)
Not saying we will or should be signing everyone on this list (although that would be amazing business), but these are the profiles and age profiles I would be targeting.
Hypothetically this could give us a spine of senior “peaking” players of De Ligt, Ugarte, Cunha and let’s say Osimhen, with a bunch of players years 25 and below also ready to step up to that level for the next 5 or 6 years following that 27/28 season. Add to this our super highly rated crop of academy talent coming through, if we do things right we could finally have a positive environment for these young players to develop in.
———————— Onana ————————
—— Diomande - De Ligt - Inacio ——
—Amad - Ugarte - Mainoo - Mendes—
———— Cherki ——— Cunha —————
——————— Osimhen ———————
Hopefully this is how we will look to build the squad over the next 2 to 4 windows, and end up with a 1st XI like above that might be ready to challenge for many years.
It’s the same with the #10. They need to be willing runners into the channels. Mainoo doesn’t have the speed or the energy levels to play as a #10 in an Amorim system.I wonder if we could convert Mainoo into a 10 instead of a deep lying midfielder. He doesn’t seem to have the athleticism or defensive know-how to play in a deeper role.
We probably need someone with serious energy and physicality in the midfield role next to Ugarte. That would make us more solid in the middle
The Levers have been activated, he's off the market.Olmo - Free
Kobbie will struggle to get into this team, he needs to be managed properly and moulded as a deep lying playmaker where speed is not so essential, I genuinely see Garnaucho, Mainoo and Hojlund all struggling to get into Amorim’s best team and at least two will be sold in the next 18months ?It’s the same with the #10. They need to be willing runners into the channels. Mainoo doesn’t have the speed or the energy levels to play as a #10 in an Amorim system.
If you’re not good enough you should be sold no matter who you are - academy product or not.Kobbie will struggle to get into this team, he needs to be managed properly and moulded as a deep lying playmaker where speed is not so essential, I genuinely see Garnaucho, Mainoo and Hojlund all struggling to get into Amorim’s best team and at least two will be sold in the next 18months ?
What a naive statement to make about a 19 y/o player who has played 13 months of senior football (academy product or not).If you’re not good enough you should be sold no matter who you are - academy product or not.
Did I say he is not good enough to play for us now? The post specifically mentions 18 months from now. So that’s end of next season. Also both of us didn’t say specifically Mainoo will be sold in 18 months. So maybe read first?What a naive statement to make about a 19 y/o player who has played 13 months of senior football (academy product or not).
There’s a difference between Mainoo not being ready to be a starting no. 8 for a top 4 side now and not having the potential to become so. It’s probably fair to say it’s too soon for him to be starting every game for us, and that’s not his fault, it’s the clubs fault.
What we desperately need is a new CM who can be our first choice ahead of Mainoo, with Mainoo then being gradually given appropriate minutes and starts in rotation. He absolutely has the attributes and potential to be a world-class player in his position, we saw that last season. It’s up to us to give him the platform to realise that potential and for him to put in the work to get there.
Unlike many other players Kobbie has a lot of talent. Unless Amorim doesn't want him he's worth keeping and developing. He's not an 8 though.If you’re not good enough you should be sold no matter who you are - academy product or not.
I would add Mount and Shaw to the sell list and get something while we still can for them. Cant wait for their legs to completely fall off and let them leave for free again.I think if you evaluate the entire squad: Yoro, Mainoo and Amad are the only genuine building blocks. Two academy prospects and one signing with huge potential. That is a sad state of affairs after a billion in spending.
Squad Players:
Ugarte
De Ligt
Mazraouai
Maguire
Final Chance/Injury Issues:
Mount
Shaw
Onana
Garnacho
Hojlund
Look to Sell/Not Good Enough:
Martinez
Bruno (no point keeping him for another rebuild whilst he still has value)
Rashford
Casemiro
Dalot
Zirkzee
Antony
Eriksen
That final list being as long as it is should tell you everything you need to know. This team needs a complete tear down rather than just trying to plaster something together.
Yoro has immense potential, I can't see him sticking around long if we have a couple of mid table seasons. An the ownership strikes me as "we'll sell anyone if the price is right."I think if you evaluate the entire squad: Yoro, Mainoo and Amad are the only genuine building blocks. Two academy prospects and one signing with huge potential. That is a sad state of affairs after a billion in spending.
Squad Players:
Ugarte
De Ligt
Mazraouai
Maguire
Final Chance/Injury Issues:
Mount
Shaw
Onana
Garnacho
Hojlund
Look to Sell/Not Good Enough:
Martinez
Bruno (no point keeping him for another rebuild whilst he still has value)
Rashford
Casemiro
Dalot
Zirkzee
Antony
Eriksen
That final list being as long as it is should tell you everything you need to know. This team needs a complete tear down rather than just trying to plaster something together.
Which players do you think definitely show they have enough to stay?This is i agree with. Some posters going mad saying we need six/seven new players.
Amad, Yoro, Mainoo, Hojlund*, Garnacho*, De light*, Mazouri*Which players do you think definitely show they have enough to stay?
Well its all down the previous manager who had complete control of our transfers. It was a boneheaded decision to give baldy that much power but that decision is why we are still struggling now and will do for a couple more months under an actual coach.How on earth have we assembled the crop of players that we have?
It's actually impressive how a scouting department/board members/managers have allowed it to get this bad. All the whole, spending 100's of millions to do it.
It's genuinely like a rival fan has taken charge since Ferguson and Gill left and is just trying to run us into the ground and I'm not joking.
I’d say it’s time to leave off football manager for a whileIf we get Nunes, Ederson, Jonathan David(only cause he is free) and a #10 it would be a good start.
Nunes - £30-35m
Ederson - £50m
Jonathan David - Free
Trincao - £35m
Angel Gomes - Free
Frimpong - £40-50m
Whats football manager about that?I’d say it’s time to leave off football manager for a while
After amorims comment tonight we’ll be lucky to get one loan inWhats football manager about that?
I didn’t say this is in Jan. It’s for the summer.After amorims comment tonight we’ll be lucky to get one loan in
If we get Nunes, Ederson, Jonathan David(only cause he is free) and a #10 it would be a good start.
Nunes - £30-35m
Ederson - £50m
Jonathan David - Free
Trincao - £35m
Angel Gomes - Free
Frimpong - £40-50m
Mendes sorry. I meant to say Nuno and said Nunes by mistake. Just cause Trincao was not good for Wolves doesnt mean he isnt good now. Trincao played in this system and he is good enough to play for us. Odegaard wasnt good enough for Madrid but he very good for Arsenal. Gyokeres wasnt good for Brighton. Does that mean given a chance United should sign him? As for David, if we have to get around FFP, we need to sign players on a free to improve the squad. He places Zirkzee at least while Gomes replaces Eriksen.Come on, you’re better than that. If we’re going to list players, make sure they’re good enough for top club. Never mind top club, majority those players aren’t even good enough for mid table PL.
Mbuemo plays for Brentford is far better than Trincao. Trincao wasn’t even good enough at Wolves So why should we sign him?
Who is Nunes? The midfielder from City?
I can’t imagine how it is good idea to have David and Hojlund as our strikers. On paper, there is no difference with what we have right now.
Angel Gomes is bit meh signing. Who is he going to replace?
If we get Nunes, Ederson, Jonathan David(only cause he is free) and a #10 it would be a good start.
Mendes - £30-35m
Ederson - £50m
Jonathan David - Free
Trincao - £35m
Angel Gomes - Free
Frimpong - £40-50m
So the next manager wont need new wingbacks/fullbacks? Ours currently are so shit they replacing anyway.I worry United will sell all the wingers and buy a few wingbacks…then after a season sack Amorim and hire a manager who doesn’t play with wingbacks.
Mendes sorry. I meant to say Nuno and said Nunes by mistake. Just cause Trincao was not good for Wolves doesnt mean he isnt good now. Trincao played in this system and he is good enough to play for us. Odegaard wasnt good enough for Madrid but he very good for Arsenal. Gyokeres wasnt good for Brighton. Does that mean given a chance United should sign him? As for David, if we have to get around FFP, we need to sign players on a free to improve the squad. He places Zirkzee at least while Gomes replaces Eriksen.
How has this method worked out for us in the past decade?In conclusion, We can’t keep using ourselves as experiment for players to prove themselves. We should be targeting players who has earned the right to play for man united or at least sign top talented players.
How has this method worked out for us in the past decade?
