Amorim's Rebuild

For the love of God get this man proper wingbacks and a TOP striker for now

no potential nonsense - you get in top players and then buy potential after. No more potential 11 starters with where we at, it's just too risky. Sell any to get funds if we're broke
 
I really hope we bring in a few players in key positions that fit the system well. And I honestly don't want any high profile players. I want Vidić ish signings.
 
LWB, a new #10 and a striker should be our utmost priorities.

Get Toney in exchange for Rashford from Saudi.
 
Keep

Onana
Mazraoui
De Ligt
Yoro
Maguire
Martinez
Ugarte
Mainoo
Amad
Garnacho (unless mega offer comes in)
Bruno
Højlund

Sell

Malacia
Dalot
Lindelof
Casemiro
Eriksen
Antony
Rashford
Zirkzee
Whoever our defensive set piece coach is

Unsellable

Mount

Buy

2 wing backs
2 CMs
2 AMs
Striker
A new defensive set piece coach
 
We need to somehow get in £60-75m in fees for player transfers out, which will help remove a further £15-25m in wages. Hopefully then we can spend around £150m again this summer.
 
If Frimpong still has the release clause, he has to be a target. Comfortable top attacking wingback and home grown.
Yeah, 14 goals last season is pretty impressive, and 9 in the season before that.
 
This is just another reminder off how far of the pace we've fallen.

There's been signs of improvement, and one would think that the victory at City would spark some confidence and energy.

But we're just not anywhere close to being stable enough to string 3-4 good matches in a row together. Especially in the league. It's like we've lost all fear factor (well, it's pretty obvious actually). Any team fancy their chances against us. And we just doesn't have the fundation or firepower to put our foot down from the first whistle on a regular basis. We do it now and then, but far too often we let teams of any level press us and control the game.
 
In possession, our front five today were Malacia, Dalot both flanking Bruno, Amad and Zirkzee. I’m not surprised that we struggled to score goals today.

There’s a lot of holes in this team, and that’s not getting into strength in depth which is a different issue all together. I’m assuming that we will only have about 100m net to spend in the summer and will rely heavily on sales to boost that up so we wont be able to solve every problem.

So, based on what we’ve seen so far, I think the easiest way to improve this team is to go out and buy two quick and skilful wing backs, one for the right and one for the left. Creating spaces for those players on the flanks to attack the box will help us create a lot more chances for our forwards. We should play them both together but not necessarily every game. My preferred choices would be players like Frimpong, Quenda, Mendes but I’m not sure attainable they would be.

I would desire a striker who can score us 20 league goals but I don’t see that player attainable with our budget. I think Martinez could go and we would replace him with another left sided defender for a similar price. I could also see us going for a central midfielder but that will depend on sales.
 
We can't limp on like this until the summer. We need to get two players in in Jan. A WB and a 10.

Malacia and Dalot are so limited and have no real impact going forward. This is skewing everything.

Amad can't do it all every game,
 
This is why Liverpool didn't go with Amorim. I don't mean that as a slight to him.

But to choose a manager who will completely change the formation and tactics of the team is a huge risk.
 
This is why Liverpool didn't go with Amorim. I don't mean that as a slight to him.

But to choose a manager who will completely change the formation and tactics of the team is a huge risk.
I thought it was because he wanted control over transfers. Hopefully not the case, because we've made that mistake with managers too many times.
 
I thought it was because he wanted control over transfers. Hopefully not the case, because we've made that mistake with managers too many times.
No it was because Amorim wanted to play his 3-4-3 and adapt the youth teams to play the same style to control the whole team. And Liverpool didn't want it.
 
No it was because Amorim wanted to play his 3-4-3 and adapt the youth teams to play the same style to control the whole team. And Liverpool didn't want it.
Is the youth team thing for real? Cause for United he said he doesn’t care what formation they play in. He in fact said it’s better for youth players to play in different formations so it ll help them develop.
 
Is the youth team thing for real? Cause for United he said he doesn’t care what formation they play in. He in fact said it’s better for youth players to play in different formations so it ll help them develop.
Those Liverpool fans who talked it about it in the summer, were saying that.
 
No matter what, even if that means selling some "decent" and "useful" players, we must sign striker, midfielder and left wing back. Literally, no matter what.
For left wing back we have nobody (one is injured all the time, other one is complete trash), midfield is without creativity and we have worst striker duo in our Premier league era.
 
To start looking decent we need:

LWB
Midfielder
#10
Striker

To challenge for top 4 we need:

Wing Backs X2
LCB
Midfielder
GK
#10 X2
Striker
 
We need a LWB this winter, desperately. We look really unbalanced. A senior striker would be great too but might need to wait till the summer.
 
This is why Liverpool didn't go with Amorim. I don't mean that as a slight to him.

But to choose a manager who will completely change the formation and tactics of the team is a huge risk.

It is... When you've got something that's working.
 
This is why Liverpool didn't go with Amorim. I don't mean that as a slight to him.

But to choose a manager who will completely change the formation and tactics of the team is a huge risk.
We were playing 4-1-5 under ETH. It was broken already.
 
LWB has a fairly easy solution in that we can just activate the release clause for Fernandez at Benfica.

Bring him in ASAP and give him 6 months in the role under Amorim, he also counts for a homegrown player.

Left wing or left wide forward in Amorim system is a bit harder but Cunha would be my #1 choice.

Going forward we should be keeping an eye on Elliot Anderson as he's been out standing for Forrest this season including against us at old trafford.
 
Such a desperate need for quality up top. Feels like we'd be better off spending very big on 2 quality players than a window of 5 good players.

Gyokeres + Wirtz for example, cost a fortune but would almost immediately improve us. Somebody like kerkez then for lwb

Onana

Yoro
De Ligt
Martinez

Diallo
Ugarte
Mainoo
Kerkez

Wirtz
Fernandes

Gyokeres

Is a very strong team. Or even if people wanted more change and saw bruno, rashford, Antony leave, mazraoui at rwb and diallo at 10.

Either way, we made some possibly good signings based on potential lately, now we need ready to go quality. Nobody is a guaranteed success, but some players are proven enough quality to be much more likely to be a success
 
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This is the way I see us at the present regarding players who I think have a longterm future at the club and may consistently feature in the first 11 more often than not for Amorim in the future.
I have slight doubts over Onana, De Ligt, Martinez, Garnacho and Mainoo but I still expect them to be ever present in the match day squad.
I don't have any confidence that either Hojlund or Zirkzee will make the grade here.
And I feel Bruno may be moved on in the next couple of windows if a good offer comes in.

So, yeah, a shit tonne of work needs to be done in these next few transfer windows.
 
The most important two players in a 3-4-3 system are the two wingbacks. It’s a specialised position where you need natural attacking flair and skill but hard work rate to track back into the defensive shape. Today we had Malacia & Dalot playing there. If I’m not mistaken, they were effectively the reserve LB & RB under previous managers yet we’re now needing them to play this WB role. The system isn’t changing so we need to address this gaping hole in the squad ASAP.
 
This is why Liverpool didn't go with Amorim. I don't mean that as a slight to him.

But to choose a manager who will completely change the formation and tactics of the team is a huge risk.
It is but it isn't as if Amorims systems needs player types that wouldn't be useful in other teams as well. We suffer for quite some time from not having any fullbacks with above-average attacking contribution. Deploying weak and slow AMs as CMs is also bound to fail with bad athleticism and technical levels we would suffer in any system you can think of. As we did throughout the last 10 years.
No it was because Amorim wanted to play his 3-4-3 and adapt the youth teams to play the same style to control the whole team. And Liverpool didn't want it.
Not sure thats true, iirc I read that there was a hiccup when Amorim started talking to another team which Liverpool found out while they thought, their talks were advanced. After that, they didn't come back to him. THink it was the Athletic, that reported that. The thing with the formation sounds plausible but there are is nothing substantial reported about it actually being true.
 
IMO no rebuild happens unless, the starting line up doesn't have Bruno, Rashford and Gernacho.

The first 2 can go, I see through Bruno's stat padding, he spam's too much for my liking, there is night and day difference between Eriksen calculated passing Vs Bruno's.

We can't change unless we change old habits, and those 2 are bad habits who have resulted in managers losing their jobs. The excuse of lack system around is out of the door too.
 
Target the better hardworking players on teams like Bournemouth, NF, Brentford, Villa, Brighton. Makes them weaker as well as makes us stronger.
 
IMO no rebuild happens unless, the starting line up doesn't have Bruno, Rashford and Gernacho.

The first 2 can go, I see through Bruno's stat padding, he spam's too much for my liking, there is night and day difference between Eriksen calculated passing Vs Bruno's.

We can't change unless we change old habits, and those 2 are bad habits who have resulted in managers losing their jobs. The excuse of lack system around is out of the door too.
Not sure we are going to kick him out yet unfortunately. He just signed a new contract and the manager seems hell bent on playing him every game. With Case and Eriksen he slowly reduced their playing time but with Bruno it hasn’t.
 
If Frimpong still has the release clause, he has to be a target. Comfortable top attacking wingback and home grown.
Frimpong is really small though. 170 cm at most, at the very edge of where height becomes an active detriment at Premier League level and a “red flag” of sorts. Of course, height is but one aspect and isn't everything in a sport where low center of gravity players can excel at even the highest rungs, but we already have a critical mass of diminuitive players in Martínez, Malacia, Amad and the likes, which can be a bit of an issue and something well-coached oppositions seek to exploit. It's not a coincidence that the best Premier League teams in recent years have been relatively tall and robust, with recruitment departments and managers making a concerted effort to finetune the physical profiles of their squads. Using Manchester City's treble winning team as an example, only three regulars were below 180 cm: Foden, Alvarez and Bernardo. The defensive half in particular was quite imposing, comprised of the likes of Rodri, Stones, Akanji, Dias, Walker and Aké (the shortest of the bunch at 180cm). Even this season, the league leaders do not have a single regular below 173 cm.
 
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This is the way I see us at the present regarding players who I think have a longterm future at the club and may consistently feature in the first 11 more often than not for Amorim in the future.
I have slight doubts over Onana, De Ligt, Martinez, Garnacho and Mainoo but I still expect them to be ever present in the match day squad.
I don't have any confidence that either Hojlund or Zirkzee will make the grade here.
And I feel Bruno may be moved on in the next couple of windows if a good offer comes in.

So, yeah, a shit tonne of work needs to be done in these next few transfer windows.
Pretty much how I see it, although Amad as one of the no 10s

Basically need a new squad at this stage. We’re now in 5 or 6th manager post Fergie and these results and performances keep happening. This can only mean the squad is average. If the squad was quality then any manager could be appointed and have a decent run of performances - look at Chelsea. The quality of the squad tells over the longer term, the odd cup or 2nd place finish isn’t enough. Do we have any doubt that City will challenge again next season once Rodri is back and a couple of new signings? Their squad is quality but low in confidence, whereas ours is low quality and also low in confidence.

It’s time to be ruthless and dump players most other fans seem to include in their long term line ups like Bruno, Martinez and Garnacho. Sure they can maybe be back up but if your targeting getting to where Real, City, Liverpool are then it’s going to need a wholesale rebuild, not just a couple of players.
 
Frimpong is really small though. 170 cm at most, at the very edge of where height becomes an active detriment at Premier League level and a “red flag” of sorts. Of course, height is but one aspect and isn't everything in a sport where low center of gravity players can excel at even the highest rungs, but we already have a critical mass of diminuitive players in Martínez, Malacia, Amad and the likes, which can be a bit of an issue and something well-coached oppositions seek to exploit. It's not a coincidence that the best Premier League teams in recent years have been relatively tall and robust, with recruitment departments and managers making a concerted effort to finetune the physical profiles of their squads. Using Manchester City's treble winning team as an example, only three regulars were below 180 cm: Foden, Alvarez and Bernardo. The defensive half in particular was quite imposing, comprised of the likes of Rodri, Stones, Akanji, Dias, Walker and Aké (the shortest of the bunch at 180cm). Even this season, the league leaders do not have a single regular below 173 cm.
While I do agree with the general point and wouldn't want to fill our squad with too many smaller players, the current Liverpool side has six regular starters who fall below that threshold: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andy Robertson, Alexis MacAllister, Mo Salah, Diogo Jota & Luis Diaz. Even their title winning team of a few years ago had players like Wijnaldum, Keita and Mane in it.

Granted, I don't think any of them are quite as small as the players you mention from our squad, but I'd hope Malacia will be gone by the summer. If Martinez continues on his current trajectory, he shouldn't be starting too many matches longer term either.
 
Pretty much how I see it, although Amad as one of the no 10s

Basically need a new squad at this stage. We’re now in 5 or 6th manager post Fergie and these results and performances keep happening. This can only mean the squad is average. If the squad was quality then any manager could be appointed and have a decent run of performances - look at Chelsea. The quality of the squad tells over the longer term, the odd cup or 2nd place finish isn’t enough. Do we have any doubt that City will challenge again next season once Rodri is back and a couple of new signings? Their squad is quality but low in confidence, whereas ours is low quality and also low in confidence.

It’s time to be ruthless and dump players most other fans seem to include in their long term line ups like Bruno, Martinez and Garnacho. Sure they can maybe be back up but if your targeting getting to where Real, City, Liverpool are then it’s going to need a wholesale rebuild, not just a couple of players.
Guess Spurs and Liverpool make up the other two combinations?