Was giving different options, not necessarily my favorites
Amorim's Rebuild
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Who ever we decide to sign I hope we get the business done early by beginning of July so Amorim has 6 weeks to work with them uninterrupted before the season begins. I hope the structure we have in place will help identify targets and get the transfer over the line sooner than previous signings.
Baleba is promising. I like his club mate Hinselwood as well.
Keep seeing links to Miguel Gutierrez, so might be something real there. Unless that Leon guy is meant for the first team I'm guessing Gutierrez or Kerkez in the summer.
Spend big money on Wirtz because he knows how to play in this system and he’s the kind of player who will get into City and Liverpool starting XI, get top class RWB and LWB (May be Frimpong or Porro and May be Miguel Gutierrez), buy double pivot midfielder who can cover Ugarte and Mainoo, and 2nd GK. If we still have enough cash then buy striker. Re-evaluate the defense and Onana in 2026.
Onana/GK
Yoro/Maz - Maguire/de Ligt - Martinez/Shaw
RWB - Ugarte - Mainoo/newCM/DM - LWB
Amad/Bruno - Wirtz
Hojlund/Zirkzee
Onana/GK
Yoro/Maz - Maguire/de Ligt - Martinez/Shaw
RWB - Ugarte - Mainoo/newCM/DM - LWB
Amad/Bruno - Wirtz
Hojlund/Zirkzee
Hinselwood is indeed quality, and is very James Milner-ish. They also have Yasin Ayari, a very young Swedish CM that is very good. So yes, Brighton currently have three center midfielders that I would gladly buy, and would all immediately be in contention as our best midfield options. What has the world come to.
Kerkez would be a great addition. I have no idea about Gutierrez, but he looks like he would be a very similar profile to the kid we sold to Benfica, but who's name escapes me now, based only on physical appearance.
Wirtz is a good shout, and he's someone I forget about. Is he injury prone? He's also always been one I just assumed would obviously go to Bayern sooner or later. But he would be an amazing buy, you're correct.
Wirtz suffered from one major injury — tore his anterior cruciate ligament at age 18, and was sidelined for roughly 9 months.
Since then, he has played close to 100 matches and missed 6 matches due to minor fitness issues...
By all accounts, he isn't a particularly injury-prone player.
Yea I can see us looking to operate in that market. Good profile players that will hopefully gain value and won’t demand ridiculous wages.
It’s a far better strategy than buying supposedly proven players for big money with a big wage and then they flop.
I’ve not seen a ton of Baleba but what I have seen has impressed me greatly. Looks like he would fit in well here but the problem is Brighton demanding crazy money. We would be looking at 80m plus here for a break out player. If we are spending that kind of money I think you need a bigger history for the player.
If Rashford goes Bruno, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund and Zirkzee would be our only attacking options for the front three. I didn't count Mount as he is never available. Also, Amo likes to use Bruno in the central midfield alongside Ugarte and Amad has played most his games under him as a RWB. It'll leave us short of options upfront. We still have a lot of games to play. Even if we assume that Arsenal will knock us out of the FA cup, we have 22 PL games, 9-11 in Europa if we make it to the final. That's 32 to 34 games still to play this season.
LWB is a priority but if Rashford goes we'd need to get some in January.
We should not try to match his output with another player. We should get another player who is a solution to that position.
Out of those three I only like Kvara. Maybe a swap with Napoli is possible? Conte likes our ex-players and Rashford can thrive in his counter-attacking setup.
We are on the same page in that we need to get an additional attacker in Jan if he goes, just not one that's similar in playstyle nor output.
If he leaves, we need to get both (LWB and LAM) in Jan. Most likely loan deals as I can't imagine the sort of quality we need permanently will be available right now.
Not sure on Kvara, I only watched him during the world cup and a few UCL games. Isn't he more of a left winger/ forward than a LAM?
Isn't that exactly what I said? Because it certainly is what I meant
He looks an amazing prospect, but I’m very keen to see exactly what we have in Sekou Koné. I think, without trying to sound all hipsterish, that he may be the most important signing we made last summer. He receives the ball very well, glides with it, covers the ground at speed and can play off both feet. He’s 6ft tall, and I think he needs to acclimatise and also develop physically, but by the time he’s 20 - we could be talking of someone of a similar profile to Baleba.
January transfer window 2025
*Nypan - already agreed, very important signing because it will show if we need a player at LAM or LCM in the future.
*Davies - Tease Bayern with a very low offer because Madrid will wait for free.
*CDM/CM
Summer transfer window 2025 -
*Hincapie, Murrilo or Brantwaithe - 50 million
*Osimhen or Duran 50 million depends on Amorims view of our strikers for this season, possible sales Rashford/Zirkzee/Hojlund & how they develop & if we need a striker in his prime or a new hot youngster.
*Buying someone like Williams can cover LM, LWB,RWB & RM so i like this signing over Frimpong once we sell Dalot.
January transfer window 2026
*View progress of next british youngsters, Wharton, Rigg, Miller etc, I believe this club needs the best british players and always has
* See if Onana is still making mistakes, buy Diego Costa if he is.
Summer 2026
* One Statement Signing to target title within 2 years - Depending on the needs of the squad. Examples, Bellingham if he is struggling at Madrid, Kvartshakelia if he improves at Napoli etc.
*Potential cover at RAM to compete with Amad.
To target a title by 2028 buying -
A squad consisting of
*Minimum 6 Youngsters by 2028 - Nypan, Nico Williams, Hincapie/Brantwaithe alongside Amad, Garnacho, Mainoo + investing in one young British Player
* 5 players in their prime or experienced by 2028 - Davies, De Ligt, Bruno, Mazroui, Martinez, Onana or Diego Costa
Very Football manager like but a nice squad of youngsters and prime/experience
*Nypan - already agreed, very important signing because it will show if we need a player at LAM or LCM in the future.
*Davies - Tease Bayern with a very low offer because Madrid will wait for free.
*CDM/CM
Summer transfer window 2025 -
*Hincapie, Murrilo or Brantwaithe - 50 million
*Osimhen or Duran 50 million depends on Amorims view of our strikers for this season, possible sales Rashford/Zirkzee/Hojlund & how they develop & if we need a striker in his prime or a new hot youngster.
*Buying someone like Williams can cover LM, LWB,RWB & RM so i like this signing over Frimpong once we sell Dalot.
January transfer window 2026
*View progress of next british youngsters, Wharton, Rigg, Miller etc, I believe this club needs the best british players and always has
* See if Onana is still making mistakes, buy Diego Costa if he is.
Summer 2026
* One Statement Signing to target title within 2 years - Depending on the needs of the squad. Examples, Bellingham if he is struggling at Madrid, Kvartshakelia if he improves at Napoli etc.
*Potential cover at RAM to compete with Amad.
Osimhen/Duran
Nypan/Garnacho - Amad
Davies- Ugarte - Mainoo - Nico Williams
Brantwaithe/Hincapie- De Ligt -Yoro
Diego Costa
Nypan/Garnacho - Amad
Davies- Ugarte - Mainoo - Nico Williams
Brantwaithe/Hincapie- De Ligt -Yoro
Diego Costa
To target a title by 2028 buying -
A squad consisting of
*Minimum 6 Youngsters by 2028 - Nypan, Nico Williams, Hincapie/Brantwaithe alongside Amad, Garnacho, Mainoo + investing in one young British Player
* 5 players in their prime or experienced by 2028 - Davies, De Ligt, Bruno, Mazroui, Martinez, Onana or Diego Costa
Very Football manager like but a nice squad of youngsters and prime/experience
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Is Nypan deal actually agreed ? Looks like the type of player who if he can adapt would fit in nicely.
We need 2 very competent dribblers to supplement the competition for the number 10 roles as it gives us a different dynamic if Bruno / mount isn’t working.
We could also use another CM with higher tenacity to provide cover for Ugarte or play alongside him against very strong opposition.
LWB is an obvious issue and Davies would be a good fit but think he’s Madrid bound which may not be a bad thing as his wage would be huge and we need to move away from that for the time being.
We need 2 very competent dribblers to supplement the competition for the number 10 roles as it gives us a different dynamic if Bruno / mount isn’t working.
We could also use another CM with higher tenacity to provide cover for Ugarte or play alongside him against very strong opposition.
LWB is an obvious issue and Davies would be a good fit but think he’s Madrid bound which may not be a bad thing as his wage would be huge and we need to move away from that for the time being.
Unless he had a growth spurt after joining United I dont think he is anywhere close to 6ft .
I think he is, looks it to me.
We could really use a proper WB in January so we start seeing how this works with a decent one. Ideally left, but not that bothered really so long as we see how the flanks should work and whether that improves our output upfront.
Rodrygo is my dream but Kvara is close behind. Kudus is the big money target that would be more "realistic", and Simons is consistently linked to us and another age profile that we seem to target even if I'm not in love with him.
I think my only gripe would be if we just go with another high potential "profile" for that spot. As much as I like and think it's smart to sign young top talents before they truly arrive on the big stage, at a certain point we need to sign a top proven player for our attacking line or something close. It's really tough to rely on nothing but young unproven players to make the jump to consistent producers.
Today we are linked to Mastantuono of River Plate and The young left back at Lecce. I can see one or 2 of these types of deals coming from left field, similar to the Yoro deal.
This would be a fantastic one for you. I thought this saga would be finished by now. It was apparently a Madrid Chelsea battle more than a year ago; nothing ever locked down.
Now I see at least 6 clubs mentioned. There was stories last week about Chelsea triggering the release clause (45m euros) in the January window. Idk.
This is a chance for Vivell and Wilcox to move fast and decisive.
I think there are a number of positions that could be upgraded, but the most pressing needs are:
RWB
LWB
CM
LAM
We also need:
CF
CB
The formation our manager is insistent upon has created many of these needs. We have good full backs but they are not attacking players and are blunt instruments at WB. As a result, we now need a pair of them. We have players who can play LW, but cannot play LAM.
We should be looking to get a lot off the wage bill with the following players leaving:
Lindelof
Eriksen
Casemiro
Evans
Maguire (we may keep him)
We should also be looking to get decent fees for:
Rashford
Dalot
Sancho
And may also be open to doing business for Garnacho and one of the two strikers. I think we will be in a decent position come the end of the season to do the business that we need. Rashford and Garnacho leaving could get us near 100m in fees and also remove huge wages, all with no book values to offset. Dalot leaving should get us a further 40m+ in fees, with basically no book value there either.
RWB
LWB
CM
LAM
We also need:
CF
CB
The formation our manager is insistent upon has created many of these needs. We have good full backs but they are not attacking players and are blunt instruments at WB. As a result, we now need a pair of them. We have players who can play LW, but cannot play LAM.
We should be looking to get a lot off the wage bill with the following players leaving:
Lindelof
Eriksen
Casemiro
Evans
Maguire (we may keep him)
We should also be looking to get decent fees for:
Rashford
Dalot
Sancho
And may also be open to doing business for Garnacho and one of the two strikers. I think we will be in a decent position come the end of the season to do the business that we need. Rashford and Garnacho leaving could get us near 100m in fees and also remove huge wages, all with no book values to offset. Dalot leaving should get us a further 40m+ in fees, with basically no book value there either.
Maguire and Dalot will stay because Amorim likes them.
We don’t know who he likes, I don’t think that can be inferred from press conferences.
Maguire might stay mainly because Evans and Lindelof probably won’t, and for a team that now plays with 3 central defenders, losing 3 would create too much need.
Dalot primarily plays a position that Amorim doesn’t use. It’s extremely unlikely Amorim sees him as a key player long term I reckon. He’s been a terrible LWB and I imagine that position will be upgraded as soon as possible.
Amorim needs to go creative and ask for (relatively) unknown players… such as the one Leverkusen would pursue to replace Wirtz (instead of the already established and really expensive Wirtz).
Which one?
Mastantuono. The River Plate prodigy.
Mastantuono looks classy but I’m not sure where he fits unless it’s in Rashfords spot and from the short few clips I watched he seems to play predominantly off the right but can drift across? Chelsea surely don’t need him? I can see Nypan playing left 10 if he’s actually going to start games for us this or next season. I can’t see us putting another 18/19 year old in the central midfield mix if we have top 4 aspirations.
Whatever happens I much prefer this transfer approach. Get the best teen in that country and develop them and see how it goes. I reckon if we pick up a handful of youngsters a few of these lads will be off to Nice for a season or two. Playing the long game
Whatever happens I much prefer this transfer approach. Get the best teen in that country and develop them and see how it goes. I reckon if we pick up a handful of youngsters a few of these lads will be off to Nice for a season or two. Playing the long game
I agree that we won't achieve anything noteworthy with the current squad and the reality is that we need up to 8 or so players because the few reliable players we do have have no cover at all. Who comes in if Ugarte and Amad get injured?
That said, our other reality is that we can not afford to spend £40m-£80m on 5 to 8 players considering the fact that proven centre forwards cost an arm and a leg. So how do Amorim and Wilcox solve this? First you would hope we up our scouting and get a few hits worth around £10m each that can come in and play significant parts in our rise.
Secondly we have no choice but to look at the academy. I think we have viable options for the positions I bolded in the quoted post. I just pray that when the chance comes they take it and that it does come soon because truly speaking we need about 3 or 4 academy graduates to come in so that we can dedicate significant funds to CF and LCB imo.
Would love to see Amass, Kukonki, Wheatley, Obi Martin, Collyer, Gore and a few others at least named on the bench in case it becomes possible to give them the last 15-20 minutes of a game, feel like some are ready to get that experience and maybe prove they can kick on. I also feel we have seen enough of what Antony, Zirkzee, Rashford can offer in this system, problem is apart from Everton we have not been in that position in a game yet under Amorim, there is definitely some big talents in the youth set ups, Amorim has been at a few of the youth matches so is definitely looking.
This is encouraging and I guess once we are past this congested fixture list, some by default through getting knocked out, we will start to see a few get minutes. Right now, it understandable that he confines his selection to the senior squad, he definitely strikes me as a guy who truly believes in giving players a fair chance to play themselves into, or out, of his his plans.
It's absolutely essential we dip into the market in January. There's no point hiring a guy at the start of November and having him struggle with a squad until the summer. If Ratcliffe wants to see this club successful before he croaks then hes going to have to put the money where his mouth is.
Think everyone at the club knows this which is why we're selling Rashford.
Wing backs and a striker are a must. Simple as. Sell/losn/sack wasters like Hojlund, Dalot, Malacia and Zirkzee
Don't expect anything in January.
At least give him left wingback in January. Can’t stand Dalot and Malacia on the left.
Cheers for the response. That is good to know!Wirtz suffered from one major injury — tore his anterior cruciate ligament at age 18, and was sidelined for roughly 9 months.
Since then, he has played close to 100 matches and missed 6 matches due to minor fitness issues...
By all accounts, he isn't a particularly injury-prone player.
For Bayern, or City, of course, because why the feck would he go to United.
Yes, I'm having a pout today.
Yes. Sick of it.
Actually, stick Fergie on the Bournemouth bus and don't them leave until they agree to give us Huijsen and Kerkez.
Would be a huge mistake
We can't buy for the sake of it.