Gyökeres/Osimhen
Kvara - Amad [rotate with bruno]
Davis - Mainoo[rotate with ederson] - Ugarte - Maz
Martinez - De Ligt - Yoro
Onana
That would be a title challenging squad IMO
Amorim's Rebuild
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Gyökeres/Osimhen
Kvara - Amad [rotate with bruno]
Davis - Mainoo[rotate with ederson] - Ugarte - Maz
Martinez - De Ligt - Yoro
Onana
That would be a title challenging squad IMO
But Real already has many LM and CAMs..
Genuinely don't mind what he does with current players if he can get us back properly competing.
Bedding in the system we'll use in the main, and bringing players who are a good fit for that is a good policy.
The current lot have a few months to show they can be a good fit for various positions and if they can't it's only right they're moved on.
Bedding in the system we'll use in the main, and bringing players who are a good fit for that is a good policy.
The current lot have a few months to show they can be a good fit for various positions and if they can't it's only right they're moved on.
See people saying Osimhen's wages are too high, he is meant to be on 12.8m euros but is currently only getting 6m euros whilst at Gala, either way that is either 2/3 or 1/3 of Rashford's wages
Osimeh is said to have some attitude issues, and Nico Williams just reminds me of a young Rashford.
Amorim needs no10's, Wirtz would be brilliant, so would Rodrigo or Arder Guler. If Rashford goes we should be going top class for his replacement.
Amorim needs no10's, Wirtz would be brilliant, so would Rodrigo or Arder Guler. If Rashford goes we should be going top class for his replacement.
Most likely because his wages are tax exempt in Turkey. So 6m net
Not sure that we really do need 10s as a priority, we have Amad, Bruno, Mainoo, Garnacho, Zirkzee, Antony, Mount (when fit), even Eriksen and Case could operate as 10s and plenty of young players to come through in the 10 role, not saying that in the fullness of time we do not need to improve our options but for now it would not be the first priority, Rashford if he goes is not really impacting the options at 10, would be 9 if anything.
If we were to actually get any money to spend in January then the direct replacement for Rashford would be as a striker to rotate in with Hoijlund, the other priority has to be a LWB
Feck... we spent so much money in the past 5 years. Now by the time we have an actual football structure in place and with a coach that wants to make the team progressively better, we are running out of ammo. Imagine what could have been if he was the person given 600m.
Agree our priority should be a No9, and priorities are elsewhere (fullback, CM). But in long-term I believe Ruben will want dedicated players for his system, unless he can successfully convert players.
But as a club if any of the above 3 No10's became available at the right price we should definitely go for them.
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We need a goal scoring #10. Someone capable of the unexpected. The players you listed as options have so far shown that they are not suitable for the role, bar Bruno and Amad. Garnacho is obviously a super talent, but he's yet to convince in that position. Eriksen will be off next summer. Casemiro if we can offload him. Antony and Zirkzee are round pegs in a square hole there. And Mount's fitness issues are a major concern. Mainoo the hope is will develop into a ball carrying midfielder who'll improve more and more physically.
LWB, 2 midfielders, Bruno succession (no. 10), and in general a few exciting young talents like Yoro or Amad
Then we should try and sign Arda Güler if the price is right.
We all know what we need, but tonight the left wing back really stood out for me as a position that needs fixing asap. Dalot just doesnt have the quality. Bang average player.
I also think Nkunku is getable based on Maresca's comments. (For the AMC role)
I also think Nkunku is getable based on Maresca's comments. (For the AMC role)
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I don’t see Nkunku being a fit where Dalot has been playing. He’s almost perfect for one of the 10s though in Amorims system.
It’ll be interesting to see what Amorim wants for that LWB role, my guess is a bombing natural wing back who really stretches the pitch and makes aggressive runs. The links Theo Hernandez and Alphonso Davies match this, however they’ll be hard to get.
I worry about the impact of Ashworth leaving. We had 4 out of 5 good transfers this summer. How much was Ashworth involved in these signings?
Who will step into his place?
Who will step into his place?
We have to be prioritizing getting in a goalkeeper. At the very least Onana needs adequate cover and ideally some proper competition.
Astonishing how poorly Ten Hag and the previous upper management team spent the money we had.
We just have to find ways because the only way we make money is if results improve and we start competing for titles. Look at Bayern hitting a billion euros in revenues, I believe Madrid are there too and we look like we now have the long term coach and the structure to propel our club forward. It also looks like Chelsea are finally starting to reap the benefits.
However, we need like 10 players in the summer because a lot of the alternates are just gubbage. What I would give if Wilcox and Co can get us a couple of bargains in the 15m to 20m range that can come in and make instant impacts or just be reliable squad options. LWB, LCB, ST and LAM are the key first team signings needed. Then we have little to no cover for some key profiles, hopefully the academy also comes through.
Also key would be dumping some under performers on big contracts. Rashford and Casemiro are the standout low hanging fruits that if we manage to get rid our books would instantly improve. Get a couple of well scouted young lads from South America to replace them and our prospects will immediately improve.
Amorim is a smart guy i'm sure he'll select good players in his rebuild. He seems like the kind of manager that players will want to play for as well, even from outside the club. Ten Hag was like that as well he just selected the wrong players.
We have to be cutthroat. There are some bad players and some decent players that just don't fit the system and need to go.
Poor fits: Dalot, Rashford, Garnacho and Zirkzee. We can make decent money on these to fund the rebuild. You could include Bruno in here as well but I imagine most aren't ready for that conversation.
Poor/old players: Evans, Casemiro, Eriksen and Antony. These won't fetch a lot but still need to go.
Injury prone: Mount and Shaw.
Poor fits: Dalot, Rashford, Garnacho and Zirkzee. We can make decent money on these to fund the rebuild. You could include Bruno in here as well but I imagine most aren't ready for that conversation.
Poor/old players: Evans, Casemiro, Eriksen and Antony. These won't fetch a lot but still need to go.
Injury prone: Mount and Shaw.
I think we need a couple if we really want to kick on and provide sufficient squad depth for Amorim. One left footer to cover Amad and another player for the other side. Xavi Simons would be my shout for the inside left position, I think he's got all the characteristics to make it work and he feels more attainable than the likes of Wirtz and Rodrygo.
True, if we sell Rashford, Mount, Casemiro and Bruno we will free up a substantial amount of wage space. Replace them with younger players in the positions we really need will us improve in leaps and bounces.
Who should (or can) we replace Rashford with if he leaves in the coming transfer window?
We don't, we just need to address our needs. For me, a start LWB is still the priority, after that is a left attacking midfielder. Someone that can carry the ball, between the lines and has an eye for a pass. Xavi simons could be an option here.
Case as a 10?! Please tell me that's a joke
Do agree that a 9 is more of a priority though. Especially in this system. Could we get Osimhen on a half season loan? Surely he would rather play for us than in Turkey? Then use the remaining January funds for a LWB (Force Bayerns hand with Davies, long term installment deal for Dogru or trigger Alvaro's clause).
I meant in an odd game, but yeah can also a strike Antony from that list after last nightCase as a 10?! Please tell me that's a joke
Do agree that a 9 is more of a priority though. Especially in this system. Could we get Osimhen on a half season loan? Surely he would rather play for us than in Turkey? Then use the remaining January funds for a LWB (Force Bayerns hand with Davies, long term installment deal for Dogru or trigger Alvaro's clause).
Left wing back is a priority. Then he needs to figure out whether Kobbie or Bruno is the long term solution to partnering Ugarte. Then based on that we need another no 10 and a striker. If he see's Bruno as a 10 long term then another midfielder instead of a 10. The squad depth is pretty lopsided.
Our 2 keepers are absolutely horrible from crosses/corners. Not commanding enough. Need a top class keeper or we'll continue to ship in soft goals.
Given that his output isn't too great to begin with, this shouldn't be the most difficult thing in the world. Just bring in somebody that is close or in his peak in terms of physical power, not a total slouch, pace would be great, dangerous in front of goal would be helpful but having an endproduct would be the phrase I'd type into my search profile and most importantly, he has to know how to dribble. We should have brought in Raphinha before he moved to Barcelona. Think he would be ideal or a player that is close to him. Reputation and a decent name would be nice add ons but to be perfectly honest, I'd focus on the other things. A functional side is more important now than individuals.
Bruno is not a CM. And he isn't a longterm solution in anything at all.
Some dreamers on here, it will take several transfer windows to get any where near what some want.
A proven class CF and a LWB are my hope. Bought with Rashford and Anthony sale money.
A proven class CF and a LWB are my hope. Bought with Rashford and Anthony sale money.
I think we should go for the half-wingers half-AM that Madrid have, Diaz and Guler, I bet they will work well in th 10 role in Amorim's style of play.
And with Lindelof and Evans leaving, I think we should sign a backup RCB/LCB, I remember Skriniar was great in Italy with Inter who've been playing back three for ages now, if PSG don't want him perhaps we can go for him at a cut price of 15m, they got him for free so there is a chance.
And with Lindelof and Evans leaving, I think we should sign a backup RCB/LCB, I remember Skriniar was great in Italy with Inter who've been playing back three for ages now, if PSG don't want him perhaps we can go for him at a cut price of 15m, they got him for free so there is a chance.
With Bruno it's really a no-brainer. He has to be in one of the AM positions. He cannot be in CM, its suicidal. We won't win anything with such a ball loosing wild card in our own half. And it baffles me how Amorim can defend using him in the CM position again and again. It's one of the few flaws and critiques I have on him.
But, considering Bruno is in the absolute top of goal points since his arrival he should have a spot further up the field. We do need another CM, no idea who tbh. Don't see Ederson being it. But certainly better than Bruno as a CM.
But, considering Bruno is in the absolute top of goal points since his arrival he should have a spot further up the field. We do need another CM, no idea who tbh. Don't see Ederson being it. But certainly better than Bruno as a CM.
If I was in charge I would pay whatever it takes to bring in Carlos Baleba. He's young, fit, can carry the ball well, can shoot well from outside the box, he's just amazing. He could come in and be a midfield boss for ten years, so even if the fee is ridiculous now I imagine it would look like peanuts in a few years.
After that we definitely need a LWB that can actually offer something in attack down the left wing.
Then I'd say we need a new keeper.
And finally a number 9 that can take over and lead the line consistently.
I think the spine is good with de ligt yoro and Martinez (in form) a good backline. Maz as rwb, ugarte and mainoo in cm with Bruno and amad in front. I would focus on a lwb first.
For squad depth there should be investments in cm and a striker. But all in all I don’t see us too far away. The last window was quite good imo. I even think zirkzee will come good when he plays with confidence.
For squad depth there should be investments in cm and a striker. But all in all I don’t see us too far away. The last window was quite good imo. I even think zirkzee will come good when he plays with confidence.
Simons, Kudus, Kvara
Kudus, Kvara 1000% yes. Simons god no. Overrated.
I think Kudus is overrated here as well.
Feels like the opposite of ETH so far, at least as far as xG is concerned. Despite finishing 8th last season, we were all over the place on the pitch and got a lot of points that we didn't "deserve" to get.
On the contrary, we generally look a lot more cohesive yet it's mostly individual errors letting us down that should and need to be ironed out over time.
On the contrary, we generally look a lot more cohesive yet it's mostly individual errors letting us down that should and need to be ironed out over time.
I’m really encouraged by what I’ve seen under Amorim so far. I’m impressed by the control he has given us, both in and out of possession. Especially considering the large spaces in our team through midfield that he inherited. To basically have us having parity in possession against the good teams and 70% against weaker teams is good progress. As are the xG stats. These are vastly better than under the previous manager.
The challenge for the club now is to get him the players he needs. For me the priority has to be goals. CF, 10, LWB, CM, LCB in that order are the priorities. The success of the project rests with recruitment. As always.
The challenge for the club now is to get him the players he needs. For me the priority has to be goals. CF, 10, LWB, CM, LCB in that order are the priorities. The success of the project rests with recruitment. As always.
Let's agree to disagree then.
I think Kudus has another level in him playing for a competitive team and a good manager. As only thing I'm not sure of is his workrate as he seems to play quite reserved sometimes. Amorim would probably draw more from him. When he is on he needs some stopping.