Hadn’t heard about him until 8 minutes ago but fully onboard!
Amorim's Rebuild
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Hadn’t heard about him until 8 minutes ago but fully onboard!
Thats exactly what we shouldn't do. "Sure, let the manager bring in former players. His system requires it. And preferable look for players of the same nationality too. Double whammy. What the feck could go wrong?! Btw I have the memory capacities of an one-cell-lifeform".
I don't even know much of the player but I sure as hell know that there is next to no chance we will be paying a fair price nor will he ever get rid of the tag "#bought only because the manager knew him". If you want to tell me, this is the only guy that fits a certain profile then you obviously haven't looked hard enough.
I think LWB is a must because Dalot, Rashford, Malacia or Garnacho are not the answer. If 2 of them are sold, I have no concerns. Let's see how Hoijund perform and see if we need a XI striker or we need a back-up. Zirkzee cannot be our no.9, he has this season to prove if he can play the AM role else we should move him to whoever is interested. RWB is also a must, I prefer to see Amad in the final third rather than RWB. Antony can have a shot trying to fill this role, I think he combine well with Amad but Amorim needs to tell him to stop shooting but create. Lastly, we need one CM to rotate with Mainoo and Ugarte. Eriksen would be gone after this season and I don't see Casemiro playing the advance role in CM. Depending on who perform well until May, there could be 2-4 singings for the summer transfer.
You should listen to @Sly talk about Goncalves. If I’m not mistaken, I remember reading that he was the one who made them tick even more so than Trincao in that #10 position. So this isn’t a case of ETH signing his old players. This is different.
Yes let's have a mass clear out and sign 10 new players because the last one worked so well. 
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January transfers is coming so you know the drill, there will be 100 players that will linked to United and probably 99 of them are not true. 
No it isn't, it is 99,99% the same. I don't even care about how good that player is - the only reason we should repeat buying from the coaches former club is if the offer would be ridiculously good, which Sporting has zero benefit from doing. It will only come back to bite everybody involved in the back seeing us doing the same thing once again, after we created lose-lose-lose situations only 2-3 transfer windows ago with the exact same thinking process behind. If the current manager came from a top club in one of the top leagues, I'd personally still have the same reservations but had a slightly less difficult time handling it, but the Portugese league is just as bad as the Dutch one. It just isn't a good idea. Plus the WB positions are way more essential to upgrade than those inside ones. At least Amorim has some players to play there with some at least theoretically being useful. Not the same at WB.
About the player, I am sure, he has his uses and is a good player but I doubt that he is so good or special, that there simply is no other player in the world with similar characteristics. Lets hope those rumours are BS anyways. Laziest journalism possible, next ones will be Gyokeres, Diomande and Inacio again.
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Main thing i’d expect from Amorim is to work with our young players to make that step up. When’s the last time we’ve seen that? Every single promising player has fallen off in recent memory.
Either that or sign a young player he knows can make that step up, but I can see Diallo, Garnacho or maybe Hojlund hopefully pushing themselves to that top level.
Either that or sign a young player he knows can make that step up, but I can see Diallo, Garnacho or maybe Hojlund hopefully pushing themselves to that top level.
Antonee Robinson would be a very good signing for us. Runs all day.
Let’s not sign anyone then!Yes let's have a mass clear out and sign 10 ne players because the last one worked so well.
Brought in a exciting young coach who seems completely married to a specific system, where only a few of our players feel comfortable in, is only naturally going to require alot of work in the transfer market.
Or I have a crazy theory here, and hear me out. Have the manager assess the current squad put a bit more time and effort into developing younger players that can be developed and/or finding uses for older players. Then identify 3-4 absolute necessities for his system/squad and sign them then take a longer term view to developing the squad over 3-4 years and in turn not wasting £600-800m in the process.
Not every new manager needs a new squad.
That's exactly what he is doing atm? And probably him and the whole universe except you have found glaring holes in our squad where we don't have the required talent to compete for Premier League nor CL trophy atm.
Great on paper. And I totally agree with you .
But what happens if we lose a game, or a player makes a mistake? Then we’ll need to replace everyone?
Football fans / media etc is pretty broken nowadays, big picture thinking has left the building
We definitely need explosive wingback. Someone like Frimpong.
How I wish he had that level of funding Maresca is getting at Chelsea, maybe then he could be doing a similar thing for us
Nothing much has changed from when he arrived as far as I’m concerned.
He needs two central midfielders and an option at left wing back as a matter of urgency.
Beyond that, an attacker in the mould of Eze (not necessarily him, but stylistically) and a left sided centre half to compete with Martinez wouldn’t go amiss.
Funds are tight apparently. We should be cashing in on Rashford as soon as we can to boost the purse.
He needs two central midfielders and an option at left wing back as a matter of urgency.
Beyond that, an attacker in the mould of Eze (not necessarily him, but stylistically) and a left sided centre half to compete with Martinez wouldn’t go amiss.
Funds are tight apparently. We should be cashing in on Rashford as soon as we can to boost the purse.
If we could get Osimhen, Ederson and Hernandez in January it would transform the team.
Leaving only CB and AMC as urgent summer signings
...........................Onana
............Summer...De Ligt...Martinez
Mazraoui.....................................Hernandez
...................Ederson.....Ugarte
..........Summer......................Fernandes
...........................Osimhen
SJR needs to figure out a way to bring forward some cash. Because the longer this rot sets in, the longer the club is surrounded by controversy and the harder it is to turn around. Take the plunge, move quickly and get bums on seats (top players). Is it worth breaking FFP? Yes IMO. Take the hit and move forwards.
Incidently, is this what the people crying for FFP want to see? Clubs frantically trying to sell youth players and star players to balance the books? Football is about entertainment and fun. New owners with deep pockets adds intrigue, excitment and upsets the status quo. FFP is ruining the game by blocking disruptor clubs....Villa, Newcastle, Forest etc...
Leaving only CB and AMC as urgent summer signings
...........................Onana
............Summer...De Ligt...Martinez
Mazraoui.....................................Hernandez
...................Ederson.....Ugarte
..........Summer......................Fernandes
...........................Osimhen
SJR needs to figure out a way to bring forward some cash. Because the longer this rot sets in, the longer the club is surrounded by controversy and the harder it is to turn around. Take the plunge, move quickly and get bums on seats (top players). Is it worth breaking FFP? Yes IMO. Take the hit and move forwards.
Incidently, is this what the people crying for FFP want to see? Clubs frantically trying to sell youth players and star players to balance the books? Football is about entertainment and fun. New owners with deep pockets adds intrigue, excitment and upsets the status quo. FFP is ruining the game by blocking disruptor clubs....Villa, Newcastle, Forest etc...
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Whoever we buy must have the right mentality. I'm sick of seeing us being fecked over by players who are immature, lazy, and/or entitled. The best teams have hard workers all over the team. Look at Liverpool currently, their work ethic and winning mentality remind me of a Fergie team.
Over the past decade we've seen numerous weak minded losers come and go, and we're still stuck with a few. For that reason alone Rashford must be made an example of and removed from the club.
Over the past decade we've seen numerous weak minded losers come and go, and we're still stuck with a few. For that reason alone Rashford must be made an example of and removed from the club.
There’s nothing wrong with buying one or two of his former players if they’re deemed among the best options available for positions in need of reinforcements. Just like we shouldn’t just sign players disregarding their fit because they’ve played for the manager before like we did under ten Hag, we shouldn’t just automatically reject every single one of them as an option just because Amorim used to manage them.
Just to point out, Maresca hasn't had a particularly high level of funding so far.
The gazillions Chelsea threw around were spent before he came in, last summer they didn't spend more for Maresca than we did for Ten Hag.
Maresca had one summer and Amorim didn't have any transfer period, so it's not really a fruitful debate anyway.
How are we going to buy anyone in January when we're already on the brink with ffp? Unless we have some big sales lined up.
Spot on. I am sick and tired of the attitude of some of this lot, like you say look at Liverpool. I watched the documentary on our 99 treble and time and time again, mentality came up. You just know bar a handful, when the chips are down with this lot they ain't digging you out a hole. Some are paid way too much money so don't give a stuff if they stink out the place because they're still getting massive pay cheques
I'd want to see lower Base wages with great performance bonuses, that might make them actually put in a shift.
Rashford simply has to go. Poor attitude and he's been in poor form for too long. No player is bigger than the club
Zirkzee - I just don't see it. I may be being rude but screams "lump". I don't know if a different position would work which plays to his strengths but if we get an offer, sell
Shaw - great when he's fit but that's probably about 10% of the time, questionable attitude about the managing to be fit for England thing. Should be a pay as you play type deal until he can prove fitness but we need a starter we can't wait around for him anymore
Bruno - I don't think Should be captain, he's the opposite of a Roy Keane. His passing is poor. I don't think he's a top priority to replace and there are moments of brilliance but are these consistent enough if we want a title winning team?
Cas & Erikson - unfortunately it's their age that means they need replacing
Rasmus - is fine, I still wonder long term if he's top class, but I'd like to see a Zlatan type signing for his development that he can learn from. I'd give him time as it may be those around him and a lot of pressure has been placed on his as our only striker and we don't play as a team
Onana - thought he'd started to become quite solid then he's blundered badly last 2 games. Even when he was doing well I was waiting for the blunder. Falling into the unreliable category you're just waiting for the mistake to come
Antony - enough said!
Recently our only real stand out signing has been Mazourai, his attitude is fantastic and he's skilful as well - where are more players like him and why aren't we looking at them. Who's signing was he in the end
Those that watch the youth games- are any close to being ready? As this season is the closest we will get to a free hit, I'd be open to seeing some of the serial underperformers dropped and the kids given a go in their place, would also let Ruben be able to assess them to see if they could cover a position so money can be spent elsewhere. Least they may actually show a bit of desire.
Also could we please look at decision making when recruiting?! Feels like the majority of the time, ours pick the worst possible decision which then plays us into trouble. If I was Ruben I'd be tearing my hair out it's infuriating enough to watch never mind have to manage and try and rectify
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It doesn't prevent owners with deep pockets. It only tries to make sure, that there isn't an absurdly fast fast-lane to the top by killing the players market with inflating prices. And it prevents clubs from going down sketchy slopes trying to finance paths. You have a point, FFP always has to be re-evaluated whether it the effects it was supposed to have but I am pretty sure, it is good to have it. It came up when Gulf states went into football heavily, people didn't like what it made of the game, some fans were turned away forever.
Agree in principle but I don't think it applies to us in this very moment. One of the biggest public criticism was the way the club handled transfers. With very prominent focus on the very last manager who brought in many former players for the same reasonable reasons you mentioned. It still backfired to same degree and in the end, everybody came out badly from it - the manager because "he brought in those duds", the club because "why would the let him do it and where the feck is their scouting" and the player as well because "they aren't good enough for United".
Given all that, the worst thing I think we could do is to repeat that pattern at the first possible opportunity. Which is why I said, if Sporting offers us the guy for 5million, then fair enough - but they have no reasons to do us any favors. So there will be substantial fee involved which is laying the groundwork for immense pressure for anybody involved. The chances are quite high, that a player from the Portugese league won't hit the ground running the minute he starts which will only open the gates of criticism from a fickle fanbase.
This is a situation that can easily be avoided by just staying clear. The player in question also isn't some crazy exotic skillset bundle where there is only one on the planet. Also isn't in the world class talent bracket so there must be a similar player out there for us to get. The club is in need to deliver now. Thinking that "the most important player for manager x" can only be in his former team is as lazy as it gets.
RCB is probably the one position of the team we don't even have to think about addressing. Mazraoui looks an excellent fit there and we still have Yoro in waiting.
I don't think we're on the brink as much as people are saying. Seen stuff to suggest we'll be able to spend if we want to.
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...150m-psr-blackhole-eliminated-finance-expert/
Please don't believe anything that the media likes to write, it's been said multiple summer windows already how we can only spend 30m to 50m.. And we end up with something more. The thing is, we still have to sell and balance the books of the wages, but we have done so much already on that.
So after today are we adding Garnacho to the outgoing list? Could we somehow get lucky to get £50m for him?
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Finally a manager comes in and deals with it the right way. No player is bigger than the club, if you're a detriment to the team you don't play, you don't even sit on the bench.
Possibly but I was commentating on the suggestion we need another mass clear out and rebuild ie 10+ players out and 10+ in during one window. We've seen it doesn't work for us and wastes money.
Indeed, some fans would love a new squad every summer.
I have to say, if there's one position we're okay in, I think we're very well stocked at CB. A lot of options that can play there. A good thing about the back 3 is that even if someone gets injured or even leaves, I think we're more than equipped to cope without them.
Think this more just adds to our need for wing backs. Mazroaui and Shaw (when healthy) are both also capable of filling into the back 3. I think we are fine there. But we do need players in those wide positions.
Wirtz in summer to replace Fernandes would be transformational
Signing three players in January, two of whom are arguably world class, is a bit of a pipedream, isn't it?
Yes. And not very clever
Thoughts on Dibling for when Southampton go down?
Any link to Ademola Lookman next summer? He and Amad as 10s would be insane.
Wirtz would be ideal but he seems unobtainable.
Wirtz would be ideal but he seems unobtainable.
Talented player but G+A numbers aren't there yet. I am not sure if we will have the funds to move for him.
A lot of potential, also helps with being English + homegrown as we try to shift out the likes of Rashford, Shaw, maybe even Garnacho and Maguire next summer. Yes please.