Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

Cathy Ferguson said:
Very stupid, emotional and unprofessional from him. Is he losing it?
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This is my last post of today's quota so I may not reply further but this comment is really stupid.

Finally we got a manager really understand the club, state of players and very transparent unlike the previous ones, so we should appreciate that.

People complain about his system but he is the one keep telling its not about system/formation and he wants his players to become better and change the formation as per the situation so he is not that rigid as people are making of it

He looks bit down today which is expected but one this I am sure about this manager is he is a strong character and he can ride this through and come good

He went through the same scenario at Lisbon too and he came out good but I agree we are a different fish and hopefully he will have tremendous success here too.
 
Livewire1974 said:
Blaming everyone/everything else apart from himself, whose masterful system is the best thing since sliced bread apparently, so advanced our multi million squad cannot comprehend it.
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Sorry, not intending to strawman you here but are you generally a fan of these players? Or can you summarise your overall thoughts on them?
 
Livewire1974 said:
Blaming everyone/everything else apart from himself, whose masterful system is the best thing since sliced bread apparently, so advanced our multi million squad cannot comprehend it.
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We went into the season wondering where our goals would be coming from. The only player who has provided any attacking threat this season has been Amad, who only got game time after ETH left.

There are plenty of threads comparing our squad to various squads over the past 15 years. If you can't see the downturn in the quality of our squad then do carry on.

The league has changed. We cannot just take the best players from other PL clubs any more.
 
hellhunter said:
Yeah that's not happening in any real world office. If my manager calls me out publicly, I'm quiet quitting
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If my manager doesn't rate me I'm either quitting or hoping the manager will leave in the near future.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Very stupid, emotional and unprofessional from him. Is he losing it?
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No he is positioning himself, he knows he won't change formation, he knows the players at his disposal can't play the formation and he is probably/definitely figuring out that them upstairs aren't going to help him out much. Don't think he lasts much longer.
 
He's quite right, the club have spent a fortune on complete and utter crap, which now means we can't afford to give him any signings, so he's stuck using said crap.

There has been piss poor decision making and transfer dealings for a long long time

The majority of the players don't care, they still get their massive pay cheques no matter what, and couldn't give a stuff about the club itself, there's no pride or fighting for the badge anymore. They turn up as and when they want to.

There's several who need shipping out, but we are stuck with them as no one wants them, again meaning we can't afford to sign anyone. Whole club is an absolute shit show and he's dealing with the consequences.

The decision to not only keep ETH in the summer, but let him spend yet more money, is another dismal decision, especially as most on here could see he needed sacking, but they let an FA cup win over rule how abysmal about 90% of that season was. We then have to parachute RA in mid season when the rot is already set in, and we have wasted all the money on ETH signings so can't even back him

Someone on the match day thread said about comparing our current strike force to previous and it makes you weep. At the very least we should be moving heaven and earth to get a striker in January that can actually put the ball in the bloody net

We then have a GK who is majorly error prone and concedes goals, a defence that's at sixes and sevens frequently with key stone cops defending, followed by a nearly non existent midfield. It's a recipe for disaster. You could maybe even get away with the error prone GK (even when he's making saves im sat thinking whens the next feck up at this point) if you had a striker that could actually score. Likewise you could grind out some 0-0s if you had a defence and GK that could actually keep the ball out the net, with the striking deficiencies being less costly

Unfortunately we are mediocre in every single area, and this is why we are in this mess, despite all that money wasted

RA isn't entirely without fault but the majority of blame is on his predecessor and those in charge previously, also handing these massive contracts out left right and centre, meaning we are stuck with players who need to be shipped out

I honestly don't know how we can undo this mess.

I'm he's not trying to sugar coat shit like Ole and ETH to saying we played well etc
 
hellhunter said:
Yep. There's no such thing as a rallying cry from the manager in an office :lol:
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I had one manager (he was more a country-wide manager) tell us if we didn't like some rule or whatever it was we either like it or leave, yeah that didn't go down well :lol:
 
He’s coming across at times (epically when we lose) like Rangnick, and that’s not a good thing.

Bluntly stating the obvious is not a particularly useful or unique skill for a manager, and it comes across at times like an attempt to distract from his own terrible start results wise.

I’m fan of him calling out the players as nervous/anxious either - I’m struggling to see how that is constructive.

My biggest worry is that I’ve not yet seen us look threatening in an attacking sense in this system. Even Ten Hag and Ole had that.

I want to believe I really do but he needs to get over himself and understand that positive results help him achieve his long term goal and bad results do the opposite. Bluntly implementing his style / formation instead of evolving towards it will mean no one takes him seriously after a certain point which will mean he’s done.

It’s like he’s taken over a failing dutch pancake house and reopened it as a Portuguese steak house (see what I did there) the next morning despite only having the ingredients for pancakes and a bunch of cooks who only know how to make pancakes. That restaurant will go out of business extremely quickly and no one will ever take him seriously as a restaurant owner again.
 
We played a different system last season and it didn't stop Onana making cockups, effectively knocking us out of the CL in the process. That was not Amorim's fault that was Onana's and the person who thought he was a good signing for United.
 
I’d rather a manager came out like this and said what it is … instead of trying to fool everyone that we were the better team and g
He is proud of them. Let them take the heat for a change.

I understand that it’s nice to see managers protect their players in public and scorn them behind the scenes, but that’s when they have a bad game or tough patch …. Not when it’s every week almost, they haven’t earned the protection of a manager.
 
He's not wrong, forget about individual quality.

As a team this is probably the worst group of players assembled at Utd in a long long time.
 
sugar_kane said:
It’s like he’s taken over a failing dutch pancake house and reopened it as a Portuguese steak house (see what I did there) the next morning despite only having the ingredients for pancakes and a bunch of cooks who only know how to make pancakes. That restaurant will go out of business extremely quickly and no one will ever take him seriously as a restaurant owner again.
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Wonderful analogy, sir.
 
Dan_F said:
One thing he does definitely have is the physicality though right? I’m saying that having not watched any of him so far but he looks big.
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Same, I know next to nothing about him but he's a big frame. One of my worries as well, I hope he doesn't (only) look dominant because he's stronger than other youth players
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s a huge issue, we don’t have anyone so quick up front that defenders really fear them. No pace and physicality in midfield and a slow defence. We are of if not the slowest and least athletic squads in the league. Most of these players should be playing in Serie A.

If we were exceptional in ball retention and technically superior we could get away with it more. On paper our players are not as bad as this but in this league at this time they are just getting outrun and out muscled.
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Agreed. The lack of physicality and athleticism is insane
 
Great to see some lads still of the belief that sacking yet another manager will solve all our ills I'm sure it would work this time around . Majority of our issues stem from before he took the job.

Ragnick spoke some cold hearted truth and got slaughtered for it and yet his words have come to pass. Amorim is absolutely right to call the dross out. Ole's huggy wuggy style only made things worse in the long term.
 
hellhunter said:
And was, judging by RA's time here so far, a wildly better performing manager
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One thing I am certain of is that he would have left a much better squad than ETH did with 600M. ETH biggest fault was his poor recruiting in my opinion.
 
hellhunter said:
Same, I know next to nothing about him but he's a big frame. One of my worries as well, I hope he doesn't (only) look dominant because he's stronger than other youth players
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Yeah that’s always a worry. I’m sure he would have been fast tracked if Amorim thought he was ready, same with any others.
 
wolvored said:
I was 14 when we got relegated, but the team, well it might be false memory, but I cant remember we being as poor as this. At least there was excitement.
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There was a late flurry in March after the Doc had a conversation with Sir Matt who told him if we were to be relegated, do it in a dignified manner. Doc had them playing 424 and we started winning games. Didn't last and we drew one and lost the last four. Going to Old Trafford was like going to a wake.
 
Guys criticising Amorim for this? Seriously? Do you not understand how severe the situation is? We could get relegated, because our team is awful. Yes, he picks it, but he's picking from a bunch of you know what. ETH had the same problem, and that was an awful side too, although better suited to his system than our present one. You must face reality before you can fix it - you have to hit your rock bottom. If you dont see this squad for what it is, you're not there yet.
 
Withnail said:
I've watched the interview and it's not as bad as the headline appears.
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DomesticTadpole said:
It is nowhere near as bad as made out.
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I wouldn't go along with that assessment. I mean I understand the importance of considering concepts such as nuance, context and even tone in any given situation but those are the words he chose to invoke. They were precise and they carry impact and have implications regardless of any alternative conclusion one choose to draw.
 
This all started when the club pushed the social media promotional bs and gave players their own brand identity. As Gary mentioned on the Overlap, these players started looking after themselves away from the footballing aspect.
 
sugar_kane said:
He’s coming across at times (epically when we lose) like Rangnick, and that’s not a good thing.

Bluntly stating the obvious is not a particularly useful or unique skill for a manager, and it comes across at times like an attempt to distract from his own terrible start results wise.

I’m fan of him calling out the players as nervous/anxious either - I’m struggling to see how that is constructive.

My biggest worry is that I’ve not yet seen us look threatening in an attacking sense in this system. Even Ten Hag and Ole had that.

I want to believe I really do but he needs to get over himself and understand that positive results help him achieve his long term goal and bad results do the opposite. Bluntly implementing his style / formation instead of evolving towards it will mean no one takes him seriously after a certain point which will mean he’s done.

It’s like he’s taken over a failing dutch pancake house and reopened it as a Portuguese steak house (see what I did there) the next morning despite only having the ingredients for pancakes and a bunch of cooks who only know how to make pancakes. That restaurant will go out of business extremely quickly and no one will ever take him seriously as a restaurant owner again.
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Correct you are.
 
sugar_kane said:
He’s coming across at times (epically when we lose) like Rangnick, and that’s not a good thing.

Bluntly stating the obvious is not a particularly useful or unique skill for a manager, and it comes across at times like an attempt to distract from his own terrible start results wise.

I’m fan of him calling out the players as nervous/anxious either - I’m struggling to see how that is constructive.

My biggest worry is that I’ve not yet seen us look threatening in an attacking sense in this system. Even Ten Hag and Ole had that.

I want to believe I really do but he needs to get over himself and understand that positive results help him achieve his long term goal and bad results do the opposite. Bluntly implementing his style / formation instead of evolving towards it will mean no one takes him seriously after a certain point which will mean he’s done.

It’s like he’s taken over a failing dutch pancake house and reopened it as a Portuguese steak house (see what I did there) the next morning despite only having the ingredients for pancakes and a bunch of cooks who only know how to make pancakes. That restaurant will go out of business extremely quickly and no one will ever take him seriously as a restaurant owner again.
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But what if the owners of the establishment said they only want him to make Portuguese Steak?
 
M Bison said:
Agree and my sentiments exactly, making himself look stupid.
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Granted but in fairness his system needs a top striker and top wingbacks as the most essential parts of the team. We have none of those.
 
Amorim getting hammered for spitting ice cold facts seems par for the course.

This team was equally terrible under ETH. They make such inept decisions that my only assumption is that there is a huge cultural psychology dragging them down. If you sent most of these players to other teams I fully expect them to be starting and performing, yet within the context of a United squad we get the sum of the parts to be less than the whole. What on earth has gone on behind the scenes to create such a mess is anyone's guess. Most teams can survive without a midfield of they have forwards who can actually add more than one penalty goal, and a defence that is not acting like a sieve.

Why do I think something is rotten? Take Mazraoui as an example. When he first joined the squad he was flying. Since then, the more he has integrated with the team the worse his performances have gotten. It's like the internal squad dynamics are demoralising anyone new who joins.

Honestly, the squad is good enough to be top 6 comfortably, what we are currently seeing defies any logic. They are actually borderline game raisers, which infuriates me. Fine against Liverpool, City and Arsenal, bottle it everywhere else.
 
Godfather said:
Agreed. The lack of physicality and athleticism is insane
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It’s like we’re playing a different sport to most teams in the league, we’re completely ill equipped to compete.

It’s just years and years of bad recruitment finally coming to a head.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s a huge issue, we don’t have anyone so quick up front that defenders really fear them. No pace and physicality in midfield and a slow defence. We are of if not the slowest and least athletic squads in the league. Most of these players should be playing in Serie A.

If we were exceptional in ball retention and technically superior we could get away with it more. On paper our players are not as bad as this but in this league at this time they are just getting outrun and out muscled.
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Dalot (and, maybe, Yoro?) are probably the only players in our squad right now I would bet on to win a foot race against their opposite number. Considering how much easier football is for quick players that’s one hell of a handicap for any team to deal with.
 
hellhunter said:
Yep. There's no such thing as a rallying cry from the manager in an office :lol:
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I had one once. The manager told half the office they had been made redundant during the day and then later started a Whatsapp group called "the SAS" with all of us who survived the cull, and his first post was a voice message (recorded while he was jogging) about how we were the best and that we were going to crush it. I nearly died from a combination of cringe and eye-rolling.

Edit, I just checked and the group is called "the Royal Marines" and his voice message is still there, all 3 and a half minutes of it.
 
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