Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

[Roboc7]

I hear you but these kids live for opportunities like these and their energy could actually help. Looking at the first goal and how Maz was just ball watching as Mitoma was attacking and how no one busted a gut to cut his run into the box, I don't think it's acceptable and a talented kid looking to make a name for himself busts a gut to retrieve the situation.

But how long before they aren’t busting a gut just like everyone around them and what good does playing as part of this do them.

I think no it’s the right call at the moment, I’m sure they probably want to give Kukonki a few minutes at least but it’s such a shit show I completely understand why it hasn’t happened.

 

[The Cat]

I'm a glutton for punishment. Anyone else rewatching what happened on MOTD2?

 

[stevoc]

We are still waiting on the open heart surgery

Have you been asleep the last 3 years?

The squads been almost completley turned over. Problem is we went to Turkey for the surgery.

 

[JJ12]

I'm a glutton for punishment. Anyone else rewatching what happened on MOTD2?

I can't watch any form of football until our next game when we lose. Let alone rewatch our car crash of a game.

 

[sepulturite]

Maybe he's right, but it's insanely bad style in my eyes. I don't see how this benefits the playing squad at all. He himself says that the players lack confidence and are afraid of making mistakes, and then he kicks them while they are down by confirming to them that they are, in fact, miserable. How will it benefit their confidence and give them courage?

But of course he gets to point the responsibility away from himself and onto those who have brought in the players.

What would Thomas Frank do I wonder?!

 

[giggsysupforit]

We’ve basically been some variation between rubbish and total rubbish since at least since Ole left. Biggest mistake was ETH getting rid of Mad Ralf (if it was ETH’s decision), should have used Ralf’s guidance to make the deep changes needed off the back of such a terrible period. Instead ETH took the clean slate option, believing he could get the most out of the players, discounting Ralf’s opinions and focusing on the positives of the previous second place finish.

Several games into his first season and ETH is faced with the shocking reality of his hubris… Silly old Ralf was correct. Cue the panic buy of Casemiro, a few months of being decent, then the wheels coming off again spectacularly ETH spending the next eighteen months shuffling his deck, some truly shocking player purchases and contracts, which are now really coming home to roost as we find ourselves back where we were with Ralf. Only in a worse situation as we can’t buy our way out of it.

But perhaps better days are around the corner as I believe Ruben and the upper management agree on the need for the open heart surgery Ralf diagnosed. Identifying the issue is the first step in being able to deal with it.

 

[Precaution]

Maybe ask the United ladies to play for the men's team? They seem to know how to play football

 

[Abusian]

Honestly, I blame senior INEOS management. It was not smart to get a new guy in mid-season knowing he would insist on imposing a new, more challenging playing style. Unsurprisingly, our squad, which has the wrong players for that system, and is terminally low on confidence, has been unable to deliver and so performances are even worse.

We would have been much better off with RvN until the end of the season with Ruben taking over then with a clean slate and some funds. The manager hasn’t done much to help himself, but talk about a poisoned chalice.

INEOS management have made expensive blunder after expensive blunder. Not impressed at all.

 

[Trophy Room]

All fecking shite. So much drama. Unrecognisable club.

 

[Coops73]

He’s not far wrong in my opinion but I’m starting to wonder if Ratcliffe actually gives a feck.

Part of me says give your head a wobble coops, it’s been a year, it’s a new manager with the same old shit he needs more time but part of me actually wonders why Ratcliffe and Ineos got involved when there seems to be no real desire to make things right or better, from all accounts he doesn’t even want to buy the club outright and I’m getting confused to where this is all going and to what ends for whom.

I feel like I’m being reactionary to a bad result but am I? The negativity around our club at the minute is sucking me in like the Death Star tractor beam, I’m trying to fight it but feck me it’s difficult.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Massive summer transfer window ahead. Need to do some business this month too.
Considering our financial situation too, I’m genuinely concerned about relegation. We must get recruitment right.

 

[cpresc]

This is 100% it.

We need to stop giving lazy/ not capable players an excuse. They are pros why can’t they play a system? The answer is that they can. We also got annoyed with ETH for not sticking to his principals and trying to suit the players.

I’m personally glad that Amorim has called out the players and put them exactly where they belong. I’m 41 and started following in the early 90s, I’m sure we aren’t the worst team in UTD history but we certainly are the worst in our PL era.

I dunno, I see flashes of good stuff

That Van Haal team was the worst IMO, every game 0-0 it was so dull I stopped watching

 

[cpresc]

Massive summer transfer window ahead. Need to do some business this month too.
Considering our financial situation too, I’m genuinely concerned about relegation. We must get recruitment right.

Maybe the only way to get it right is to just clear the dross this window and go into the summer with a war chest and a plan

 

[The Irish Connection]

Maybe the only way to get it right is to just clear the dross this window and go into the summer with a war chest and a plan

Maybe. Massive work needs to be done, just hope they get it right.

 

[Bastian]

I'm a glutton for punishment. Anyone else rewatching what happened on MOTD2?

Let me know if they mention any of the multitude of horror calls by the ref (missed yellow, missed red, missed yellow, missed yellow, etc.)

 

[The Cat]

Let me know if they mention any of the multitude of horror calls by the ref (missed yellow, missed red, missed yellow, missed yellow, etc.)

Nope as usual. At least it's finished now. I might make my night worse and watch the Hobbit films.

 

[Tyrion]

Have you been asleep the last 3 years?

The squads been almost completley turned over. Problem is we went to Turkey for the surgery.

We swapped a 4th-6th level team to get ten Hags midtable sides.

 

[Kingofwinners]

He’s the only person in the club I even half trust and he’s dead right to call out the issues directly. We have been papering over cracks for ten years.

Only small positive is that Ratcliffe and Glazers must realise that flirting with relegation is flirting with financial disaster. I am fairly confident we will stay up, but if we go down this squad won’t get us back up. Too many weak and inconsistent players- from the Captain down.

It’s not going to be popular here but McTominay would have been a real asset this season, wouldn’t get us to top 4 but would keep us in top half. The lad worked hard and could finish.

 

[antohan]

I feel like this is one of those “and this is what’s wrong with ____” moments.

Have some mental toughness. If a professional athlete is so mentally fragile that they “quiet quit” over that, they should just find another line of work entirely.

Agree. We shouldn't draw parallels with real world offices and Ricky Gervais managers and their motivational capabilities.

A professional football player has a very simple way of making a point as to not being shite, the worst, etc. In fact, they get the opportunity to do so once or twice a week.

it's not just a case of "grow a fecking pair" but quite simply "if you feel like quiet quitting, please do so and get out of the way".

 

[Betson]

Massive summer transfer window ahead. Need to do some business this month too.
Considering our financial situation too, I’m genuinely concerned about relegation. We must get recruitment right.

Keep going on like this and it will not be long before we are on the phone to big Sam for a rescue job.

But realistically I don't expect us to be in any serious risk of relegation , we are awful but there are at lest 5 or 6 teams who are worse. But they fact that it is still even a remote possibility half way through the season tells us the state we are currently in.

And it is going to take multiple massive transfer windows to go about fixing this and they need to be near flawless , but they fact is that we probably do not have the money for this and on past evidence we certainly do not have the know how at the club to achieve this.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Keep going on like this and it will not be long before we are on the phone to big Sam for a rescue job.

But realistically I don't expect us to be in any serious risk of relegation , we are awful but there are at lest 5 or 6 teams who are worse. But they fact that it is still even a remote possibility half way through the season tells us the state we are currently in.

And it is going to take multiple massive transfer windows to go about fixing this and they need to be near flawless , but they fact is that we probably do not have the money for this and on past evidence we certainly do not have the know how at the club to achieve this.

Yes. I think we are ok this season but given the finances and atmosphere around the club for the last few years, a poor summer could put us in danger next season etc.
As you said, we need to be near flawless in recruitment.
It definitely can be done with shrewd free transfers and players with a year left on contracts but we really must box clever.

 

[moodyred]

What's the point of telling people we are the worst team? Is he trying to motivate the player? What's the intention? This team ended up in the top half of the table last year. It can do better. It should do better.

 

[Acquire Me]

What's the point of telling people we are the worst team? Is he trying to motivate the player? What's the intention? This team ended up in the top half of the table last year. It can do better. It should do better.

It’s the truth. It’s no point hiding it. We got weak players with the worst mentality and it’s a fact. If INEOS are serious, they must act. Right now they are all hiding behind Amorim and he can’t fix this alone.

 

[Decade long lurker]

He may be right but he probably shouldn’t say it. It’s counter productive. A lot of the players aren’t good enough but throwing players under the rarely works out

 

[343]

This all started when the club pushed the social media promotional bs and gave players their own brand identity. As Gary mentioned on the Overlap, these players started looking after themselves away from the footballing aspect.

Yes.

PogBack.
Sanchez playing the piano.
Zlatan announcing his own arrival before the club did while also taking away the number 9 from Martial.
The appointment of Ole because ex-players like Rio (a new YouTuber) begged for it before seeing if we would finish in the top 4 (the team really blew it that season).

Actually, it goes back to even before that. Lingard making a stupid video in the bus when the team were being attacked by a mob at West Ham (and then losing that game).

None of it would have happened under SAF. We have not been a serious club since he left.

 

[AndrewMac]

Looked at our remaining fixturse, and can only feel confident in beating Lesta, Ipswich and Wolves from our remaining games.

Shocking

 

[UnitedSofa]

Lesta,

What on earth is this?

 

[sepulturite]

What's the point of telling people we are the worst team? Is he trying to motivate the player? What's the intention? This team ended up in the top half of the table last year. It can do better. It should do better.

The team last season absolutely shouldn't have finished in 8th place, if you look at every metric it shows that we should have finished down where we are now. So trying to use that finish last season as some sort of beacon really doesn't work.

 

[WPMUFC]

our squad just turns up every god damn day to collect a paycheck and strut around going "i've made it, i'm a MUFC player, my journey is complete". We are the joke of world football, we are the retirement home for aging stars and for mediocre hacks that have been told by their agents if they just stay at the club they could all be on 150k+ per week within 1-2 contracts. None of these player care at all. I could not care in the slightest if he went out there every weekend said the exact same thing. They have no pride in the club or themselves and i'm sick of wanting to "hush" it up because it makes us feel bad.

This lot all collected their wages tonight and then went home not give a care in the world. I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for these players.

 

[sepulturite]

What on earth is this?

We've reached a new peak in the misspelling of things on here it seems! Step aside MacGuire, your title has been taken!

 

[MiceOnMeth]

Remember when Moyes said we aspire to be like City and he was torn to shreds

But we've been so bad for so long now that a manager can say we're the worst team in the history of the club and most of us will nod in agreement

 

[jem]

Imagine thinking that he shouldnt say stuff like this because of fear of players potentially downing tools, hahaha like there is a difference

Exactly. His saying this has no bearing on Onana's habitual mistakes nor on Bruno's inconsistency, Dalot's brain-freezes, Maz's issues at wingback, etc.

 

[jem]

Remember when Moyes said we aspire to be like City and he was torn to shreds

But we've been so bad for so long now that a manager can say we're the worst team in the history of the club and most of us will nod in agreement

Because we are - what is there to disagree with? As for Moyes, I'm guessing he said this during his solitary year in charge, a year in which we were reigning champions.

 

[moodyred]

It’s the truth. It’s no point hiding it. We got weak players with the worst mentality and it’s a fact. If INEOS are serious, they must act. Right now they are all hiding behind Amorim and he can’t fix this alone.

There are things you should say as a manager and there are things you shouldn't be saying (openly). I question the reason for him saying this openly.

This team is full of internationals. The only reason they are the worst team right now, is the players aren't performing or are not fitting into his system. I understand it takes time to get it right, and I am also hoping he will get it right.

However, why say something like that openly? Hopefully it gives the players a jerk in the right direction if that is his intention. If it is for management to hear, then it should be done close door.

 

[jem]

Because we are - what is there to disagree with?

It's the inability to compete on a one to one level that really rankles, if we were going toe to toe in the majority of games, but just getting edged out by the odd goal, as disappointing as that would be, there'd be something to hang on to. I don't know what to think or how to feel at this point, i'm not angry, just upset and fearful of where this could lead. Some are saying Amorim is out of his depth, dunno, show me an elite coach who could turn this around in a matter of weeks mid season, Pep Guardiola? Do me a favour. Nothing happening on the pitch, nothing happening in the boardroom, our problems have never seemed so unsolvable.

I honestly don't think there is a coach anywhere who could turn this lot into champions.

 

[MiceOnMeth]

Because we are - what is there to disagree with?

It just highlights how our standards as fans have dropped in the decade post Fergie

A club our size should have had the fans rioting years ago

Barca and Madrid and Bayern fans wouldn't accept this kind of mediocrity for longer than a minute

 

[jem]

And there's no manager that could make this squad beat Brighton?

Not on a consistent basis, no. Of course we're capable of beating Brighton - we've beaten City and Arsenal, both superior to Brighton.

 

[jem]

It just highlights how our standards as fans have dropped in the decade post Fergie

A club our size should have had the fans rioting years ago

Barca and Madrid and Bayern fans wouldn't accept this kind of mediocrity for longer than a minute

Well I can only speak from my position as a fan in Canada, where there is nothing I can really do, other than stop paying attention. I don't buy any official merchandise or anything like that. As for local fans, I don't feel I'm in a position to judge how they approach this situation. I don't think agreeing with what Amorim says is the same as accepting it.

 

[Tyrion]

Not on a consistent basis, no. Of course we're capable of beating Brighton - we've beaten City and Arsenal, both superior to Brighton.

I think this squad has a better chance of beating City and Arsenal than Brighton. The squad is good at counter attacking. Bruno is good playing into space, we have some fast attackers and our defenders are slow but good in the air.

When we play teams that come at us, we do well. When we play teams that we attack then none of our strengths matter.

I think it's why we've usually had good results against the top sides since Ole.

 

[clarkydaz]

It just highlights how our standards as fans have dropped in the decade post Fergie

A club our size should have had the fans rioting years ago

Barca and Madrid and Bayern fans wouldn't accept this kind of mediocrity for longer than a minute

Neither would the owners, thats the crux of the matter. Ours have not given a toss