Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

Yeah I don’t think it was the best remark from him. Can see him walking it back a bit in future press conferences.
 
Champ said:
The biggest issue is survival mode is usually a team grinding out results by being hard to beat,
This United team currently isn't even doing that!
Tactically poor and devoid of any confidence, it's not looking promising moving forward as it stands.
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We will get a few results here and there, I expect. Enough to finish midtable.
 
Florida Man said:
Never had a comment like that under Ole and ETH and the team (also consisting of regular NT starters) and it never turned out well either. Ole was even considered almost too nice of a character.

Top flight sports consist primarily of the most competitive personalities in the world, hence the big paychecks. Even more so when it’s at a massive club like United where the pressure is always intense to perform or else face scrutiny across the world. Let the pussy divas show their ass and slowly send them put while keeping the ones who still feel to have something to prove. That takes time to solidify again.
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Ole and eth didn't need to say anything because they were financially backed, especially the latter who made us a dutch speaking squad.

Amorim needs players to implement his system. All he's hearing in response to that is ffp, psr, ppf, ggf etc. some might say that he should adapt. Yet we knew his system, we hired him for it, then why do we want him to change? Can he change?
 
Florida Man said:
Never had a comment like that under Ole and ETH and the team (also consisting of regular NT starters) and it never turned out well either. Ole was even considered almost too nice of a character.

Top flight sports consist primarily of the most competitive personalities in the world, hence the big paychecks. Even more so when it’s at a massive club like United where the pressure is always intense to perform or else face scrutiny across the world. Let the pussy divas show their ass and slowly send them put while keeping the ones who still feel to have something to prove. That takes time to solidify again.
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It is, but you are confusing competitiveness with resilience. Being competitive in and of itself doesn't protect you from feeling bad when said competitiveness meets repeated failure. Ideally the squad would have countless natural leaders with the mental fortitude of a West Point graduate, but it doesn't. It's certainly an important trait to look for in players.
 
lolok said:
We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
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Thank you the best post on this thread and addresses all the repeated failures and issues that has befell us the last 12 years. I’ve no doubt Amorim will do a great job. The fact that no players are coming in seem to me to suggest INEOS have allowed Amorim the season to come in implement his style formation personality etc and accept league position will be poor,this will allow us to start next season full pre season ahead of the game and hopefully get rid of those not wanted early and bring the players needed early. This is not to say we will challenge next year but we be massively improved and continue improving from there
 
This guy is the real deal, if he’s backed I am certain that we will be successful.

The players aren’t good enough we know this, the owners are hiding behind Amorim and giving him no support to improve things.

Can you really blame him for doing this?

He’s obviously a clever guy, he feels that if he doesn’t call out the situation he will just become another failed manager statistic here and a mediocre yes-man replacement will be installed by the owners to deflect blame away from them.
 
I have no problem with his comments. Sure, it's not the wisest comment to make as a manager, when he has to strike a balance, bit feck it at this point.
It's not like he's come in and disrupted a winning formula.
 
Feels like his "open heart surgery" moment. Sadly our owners wont listen to him either I fear.
 
I was hoping a better turnaround than this but this season is done for me. Hopefully a good Europa or FA cup run will keep things interesting.
 
HTG said:
I think he can say that and it’s a fair statement. But he needs to follow stuff like this with a positive vision for the future. If he doesn’t, it’s basically just bashing the players. And even though they deserve that, it’s most likely not going to work.
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The vision can’t be implanted with most of this lot. We will need a major overhaul as we have done under previous managers and they have to get the signings right. No amount of selling of the vision to players with the wrong mentality and qualities is going to achieve success. I mean I’m sure he tried behind the scenes but it’s clear how defeated some of then are.
 
He told the owners he told the fans were going to suffer , well if we are then the board has to listen . 1 decent display 1 grinding one then one hopeful one then a bag of shite that's great OK we will suffer . Lose to Rangers on Thursday who are rubbish in a rubbish league what will come out if his mouth then.
 
lolok said:
We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
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:+1:
 
Lay said:
I was hoping a better turnaround than this but this season is done for me. Hopefully a good Europa or FA cup run will keep things interesting.
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United being embroiled in a genuine relegation battle through to the final few games of the season will surely keep things pretty interesting.
 
lolok said:
We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
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How didn’t this get more responses? Great summary.
 
lolok said:
We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
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Excellent post
 
lolok said:
We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
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Great post. But it also shows up Ineos big time. They wasted the easy part of the season on a manager who prove himself to not be good enough, and then gave their managerial pick a terribly difficult run. Master class right there in timing.
 
Adisa said:
Do these players even care? I would be ashamed if I was a player in this team.
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I would not be able to live with myself if I was not good at my job. It would eat at me till I got good. But apparently these players dont care nearly as much as that.
 
I don’t think it’s true, but I’m glad he said it. The cnuts who oversaw this downfall need to be held to account.
 
Dannn411 said:
I would not be able to live with myself if I was not good at my job. It would eat at me till I got good. But apparently these players dont care nearly as much as that.
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It’s embarrassing. If I wasn’t good at my job and then one of the highest paid, I’d resign. There’s something called professional pride.
 
Catt said:
If I was the worst ever at my job I'd die of embarrassment
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You can't have everyone doing that though. Because after the worst one died of embarrassment, someone else would die of embarrassment, and on and on. There'd be noone left.
 
Can the negative hyperbolists on this forum finally support a manager wholeheartedly, knowing that at least now, he is truly one of them?
 
He gave them the "nervous" and "anxious" line before the Liverpool game and got a reaction, so maybe he thinks he's found his angle?
 
£66 to watch the worst United side in history… What a bargain.
 
Tyrion said:
We swapped a 4th-6th level team to get ten Hags midtable sides.
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Absolutely. No surprise we went from 3rd to 8th and are on course to finish 12th-14th with the squad Ten Hag built.

He should have been sacked in June and Amorim appointed then as he was available. Which leads me to suspect Amorim wasn't considered a strong candidate last summer. But with egg on their faces after Erik inevitably continued to struggle and them finally realising he needed sacking Amorim became an option.

Truth be told I think we'd have probably been better off leaving Ruud in charge for the season and bringing Rubin in July. Because taking a struggling team low on confidence and asking them to adapt to a new system mid-season is going about as well as expected.
 
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