Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

Exiled_Red said:
It’s not his team. It’s a bunch of guys that weren’t even good enough for the system they were built for. Not his fault.
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If he can’t improve the team he shouldn’t have been hired. If he’s waiting for a complete roster turnover it will take many years and he will be long gone.

Other teams hire managers who work with players they didn’t recruit yet they are able to improve the team.

One more embarrassing loss like this and I’ll be Amorim out.
 
JoseM4 said:
If he can’t improve the team he shouldn’t have been hired. If he’s waiting for a complete roster turnover it will take many years and he will be long gone.

Other teams hire managers who work with players they didn’t recruit yet they are able to improve the team.

One more embarrassing loss like this and I’ll be Amorim out.
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Then you would be a ridiculously knee-jerking, short-sighted fan.
 
jem said:
Then you would be a ridiculously knee-jerking, short-sighted fan.
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There's lots of em around. They keep saying the same thing recently and that is 'even if we get his players in he won't be around in a couple of years'. Errm, why not? Why wouldn't he be here in 4,5, or 6+ years if he's successful?

It's like this club has attracted lots of fans who enjoy this buzz of sacking the manager and the anticipating of hiring a new one.
 
JoseM4 said:
If he can’t improve the team he shouldn’t have been hired. If he’s waiting for a complete roster turnover it will take many years and he will be long gone.

Other teams hire managers who work with players they didn’t recruit yet they are able to improve the team.

One more embarrassing loss like this and I’ll be Amorim out.
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I'll get the phone out and let him know tomorrow.
 
jem said:
I honestly don't think there is a coach anywhere who could turn this lot into champions.
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Agreed. But there are plenty of other coaches who could help us improve in the table.

13th place is completely unacceptable.

In my entire life, I’ve never heard a new coach suggest these aren’t my players so don’t hold me accountable for improving them.
 
JoseM4 said:
Agreed. But there are plenty of other coaches who could help us improve in the table.

13th place is completely unacceptable.

In my entire life, I’ve never heard a new coach suggest these aren’t my players so don’t hold me accountable for improving them.
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Did he say that? I honestly must've missed it. But as to your first point, I'd rather burn it down, and find out who has the talent/character to move forward rather than continue with the mediocrity of previous seasons.
 
jem said:
Did he say that? I honestly must've missed it. But as to your first point, I'd rather burn it down, and find out who has the talent/character to move forward rather than continue with the mediocrity of previous seasons.
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No he didn't say anything of the sort. He's just trying to light a fire under them while saying it has to improve.
 
I have been saying and we have been witnessing that it was players all along. We have a dysfuntional squad that dont suit much system bar counter or individual moments. There is no coach in the world that can win if the palyers are bad like these. SAF has world class players (he made them too and the ones not so, he found their use in the team and make them overperform), Pep, Klopp all have their group of world class players but we havent had none the last 5 years bar some 1 season wonders.

Its time to revamp the squad and think we have to be realistic now. We looking at the Liverpool that have to wait for 30 years to challenge again.
 
sepulturite said:
The team last season absolutely shouldn't have finished in 8th place, if you look at every metric it shows that we should have finished down where we are now. So trying to use that finish last season as some sort of beacon really doesn't work.
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I disagree. Some games we may have been lucky to win last season, but some we definitely deserved to win. We may not be a good team, but certainly not bottom 3 material.
 
moodyred said:
I disagree. Some games we may have been lucky to win last season, but some we definitely deserved to win. We may not be a good team, but certainly not bottom 3 material.
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Who said anything about bottom three material? We're definitely not that, this season or last, so I don't know what your on about there.

Plus there was very few games we deserved to win last season, most of the games we drew and won we should've been easily beaten. You'd have to be a blind man not to have seen that last season.
 
This 'worst team ever" team has...
- two first team regulars for Argentina
- two first team regulars for Portugal
- two first team regulars for the Netherlands
- two first team regulars for Denmark
- several first team regulars for England
- first team regulars for Uruguay, Cameroon, Sweden and Ivory Coast

Everybody looks worse when the team dynamics are off, it's on the manager to change them. People calling the team snowflakes if they don't react to this message frankly don't quite get how psychology works.

You can get a performance out of a highly successful team that's on a poor run of a few games by being very harsh and critical. Like United under Ferguson. If they let their standards slip for a few games it made sense for him to remind them of those.

It's different when things have been going wrong for a long time. Professional or not, if you fail for an extended period of time and people then keep telling you you are a failure, you will be inclined to agree instead of fighting to prove them wrong. That's actually how depressions can manifest themselves.

And Amorim actually integrated this in the press conference explicitly offering it as a headline to the journalists. That's quite baffling. He'll have to manage quite a lot of those players next season, too. He should inspire them to dream of what they can become, instead of manifesting their fears of what they might currrently be in media headlines.
 
jadajos said:
This 'worst team ever" team has...
- two first team regulars for Argentina
- two first team regulars for Portugal
- two first team regulars for the Netherlands
- two first team regulars for Denmark
- several first team regulars for England
- first team regulars for Uruguay, Cameroon, Sweden and Ivory Coast

Everybody looks worse when the team dynamics are off, it's on the manager to change them. People calling the team snowflakes if they don't react to this message frankly don't quite get how psychology works.

You can get a performance out of a highly successful team that's on a poor run of a few games by being very harsh and critical. Like United under Ferguson. If they let their standards slip for a few games it made sense for him to remind them of those.

It's different when things have been going wrong for a long time. Professional or not, if you fail for an extended period of time and people then keep telling you you are a failure, you will be inclined to agree instead of fighting to prove them wrong. That's actually how depressions can manifest themselves.

And Amorim actually integrated this in the press conference explicitly offering it as a headline to the journalists. That's quite baffling. He'll have to manage quite a lot of those players next season, too. He should inspire them to dream of what they can become, instead of manifesting their fears of what they might currrently be in media headlines.
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Never had a comment like that under Ole and ETH and the team (also consisting of regular NT starters) and it never turned out well either. Ole was even considered almost too nice of a character.

Top flight sports consist primarily of the most competitive personalities in the world, hence the big paychecks. Even more so when it’s at a massive club like United where the pressure is always intense to perform or else face scrutiny across the world. Let the pussy divas show their ass and slowly send them put while keeping the ones who still feel to have something to prove. That takes time to solidify again.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if this turns out demotivational for the dressing room. It's almost as if he's done with some of the players here and is demanding for reinforcements this window.
 
TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE

Im 100% sure that there’s a coach out there that can improve this lot. Play to their strengths. To what end? Maybe 13th to 8th. More reflective of their ability? Maybe another cup? Who cares about making bad less bad?

Im also pretty confident (maybe naively) that Amorims qualities can deliver best in class football and performances (even if it’s not with this squad). That excites me more. I would rather suffer now and not have Amorim learn how to fall to their level.

This season is an audition for the players Manchester United future. Learn the system. Add value. Or be shipped off.
 
jadajos said:
This 'worst team ever" team has...
- two first team regulars for Argentina
- two first team regulars for Portugal
- two first team regulars for the Netherlands
- two first team regulars for Denmark
- several first team regulars for England
- first team regulars for Uruguay, Cameroon, Sweden and Ivory Coast

Everybody looks worse when the team dynamics are off, it's on the manager to change them. People calling the team snowflakes if they don't react to this message frankly don't quite get how psychology works.

You can get a performance out of a highly successful team that's on a poor run of a few games by being very harsh and critical. Like United under Ferguson. If they let their standards slip for a few games it made sense for him to remind them of those.

It's different when things have been going wrong for a long time. Professional or not, if you fail for an extended period of time and people then keep telling you you are a failure, you will be inclined to agree instead of fighting to prove them wrong. That's actually how depressions can manifest themselves.

And Amorim actually integrated this in the press conference explicitly offering it as a headline to the journalists. That's quite baffling. He'll have to manage quite a lot of those players next season, too. He should inspire them to dream of what they can become, instead of manifesting their fears of what they might currrently be in media headlines.
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Who are the first team regulars for England or any other country.

Apart from Bruno, Diallo, Eriksen and Maguire, some like Dalot, Martinez, De Ligt, Mainoo are in and out of the first team.

Leicester has first team players in Nigeria, Denmark, Ghana and Belgium. They are not really taking the PL by a storm.
 
Eth could have succeeded if we had realistic expectations for his first season. Take away the pressure to make top 4 (or that nonsense about ending Era’s).

Be humble. Come in. learn the league and your squad. Identify which youth team players can augment the first team for your style of play. Then start making sensible wholistic squad adjustments with a clear structure supporting the evolution.

But no. New manager means the fans expect magic from day 1 with the same rubbish ingredients.

Well here we are gang. New season. New manager. Old squad. Do we keep indulging the fan fiction of Top 4 or anything useful in the league this season?

For context, Chelsea and Liverpool recently endured seasons outside Europe and used the time to recalibrate and bounce back stronger.
 
The most frustrating part of all this is realizing that, despite hitting what felt like rock bottom under Rangnick in 2021, even after an eye-watering £600+ million investment, the introduction of supposedly competent football management, and promises of a "culture shift," we somehow find ourselves in an even worse position than where we started.

It’s baffling. The big investments, the structural overhauls, the fresh ideas—they’ve all been thrown at the problem, and yet, nothing seems to truly stick. The ambition is there, but the results just aren’t.

Without trying to sound completely fatalistic, it’s hard to see a clear way forward, but to go there and try the things we tried before again and hope to get lucky this time.
 
JoseM4 said:
Agreed. But there are plenty of other coaches who could help us improve in the table.

13th place is completely unacceptable.

In my entire life, I’ve never heard a new coach suggest these aren’t my players so don’t hold me accountable for improving them.
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Call me crazy or not but I have accepted a finish ranking between 10th and 17th. This season is completely over in my mind.
 
Just like debts it doesnt matter the amount if its written off. All equates to 0. For me this season is a write off. Finishing 10 or 14 doesnt matter. Both equally crap. The issue is how our squad seems to be in the shitter. Both in quality and mentality. Fixing one is already a mountain of a task let alone both PLUS not having the ability to spend a lot of money anymore.
 
JoseM4 said:
If he can’t improve the team he shouldn’t have been hired. If he’s waiting for a complete roster turnover it will take many years and he will be long gone.

Other teams hire managers who work with players they didn’t recruit yet they are able to improve the team.

One more embarrassing loss like this and I’ll be Amorim out.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Must be new to the rodeo.
 
Of course you put Sporting here under him. And theyd be higher than us in the table. The difference? the players.
 
McLvnsMuse said:
Eth could have succeeded if we had realistic expectations for his first season. Take away the pressure to make top 4 (or that nonsense about ending Era’s).

Be humble. Come in. learn the league and your squad. Identify which youth team players can augment the first team for your style of play. Then start making sensible wholistic squad adjustments with a clear structure supporting the evolution.

But no. New manager means the fans expect magic from day 1 with the same rubbish ingredients.

Well here we are gang. New season. New manager. Old squad. Do we keep indulging the fan fiction of Top 4 or anything useful in the league this season?

For context, Chelsea and Liverpool recently endured seasons outside Europe and used the time to recalibrate and bounce back stronger.
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ETH had caused untold damage to this team by saddling us with every Eredivisie linked player there is. We now has a squad that lack athleticism, whose 2 most paid players can't/won't run, whose strikers can't score goals and whose wingers refuse to make assists. Thank god we got rid of him when we did else we would have lost Amad on a free because hey hey hey kept insisting on a winger who makes Jesse Lingard look like Messi. We paid 80m for this guy btw.
 
JoseM4 said:
Agreed. But there are plenty of other coaches who could help us improve in the table.

13th place is completely unacceptable.

In my entire life, I’ve never heard a new coach suggest these aren’t my players so don’t hold me accountable for improving them.
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Improve us to where exactly? These players failed to play a system they were brought for, others failed in the counter attacking system many claimed they excel at and it's precisely for that reason we tried to move on to a more proactive style only to indulge some Dutch nepotistic madman with £600m. These are the results, get an Ole/Mourinho in maybe we rise to 10th but is it what we want long term?

We hired Amorim for what he did at Sporting and it's only right that sticks with what works for him. Before this downward spiral, a few midseason tweaks like signing a LWB, getting a more experienced striker in etc could have helped. I am sure he is not as stupid as to demand 15 signings in one go but restricting him to Dalot and Maz as his only options is hanging him out to dry.

He didn't have a part to play in decisions that have ruined us, he is trying to clear up a mess of our own making and we don't even have a dime to help him do it. After this, when we sack him, no promising manager is touching this shitshow even with barge pole.
 
We are a shit team really.
As a group there are just too many mistakes in the team.
 
I said early on in his tenure that as much as I appreciate how confident and articulate and honest he is, I think he'd be better served saying less to the presst. It's ultimately all waffle anyway and only only serves to feed the vultures in the press who will gladly use anything he says against him first chance they get.

I'm sure he's looking to send a message to the players but that's done better face to face whilst presenting a united front externally

This comment is a mistake imo he can add the part about the 'press wanting headlines' all he wants, that'll be glossed out by the vast majority who only skim the surface before making conclusions and this worst ever tag will stick now

I really think he needs to talk a lot less for the rest of the season
 
Red_Aaron said:
I said early on in his tenure that as much as I appreciate how confident and articulate and honest he is, I think he'd be better served saying less to the presst. It's ultimately all waffle anyway and only only serves to feed the vultures in the press who will gladly use anything he says against him first chance they get.

I'm sure he's looking to send a message to the players but that's done better face to face whilst presenting a united front externally

This comment is a mistake imo he can add the part about the 'press wanting headlines' all he wants, that'll be glossed out by the vast majority who only skim the surface before making conclusions and this worst ever tag will stick now

I really think he needs to talk a lot less for the rest of the season
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I think the message is intended to the owners Rather then to the players. This squad is not up for scraps
 
Dannn411 said:
Dont tempt fate Ruben. A United team got relegated.
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That team didn't lack mentality, though, unlike this one they tried, just weren't good enough.

This team :lol: is a bunch of so-called players with the heart of the lion from Wizard Of Oz, i.e., cowardly.

Since I've been watching United since the late 60s, I think this is the worst bunch of players we've ever had.
 
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I honestly don’t know where we go from here. These players are a lost cause and the signings made over the last 3-4 years have only deepened the problems. It feels like the team is suffering from severe depression at just being so physically, technically and mentally humiliated on a consistent basis.

I used to think 3-4 signings of the right age could move the needle over a few years but now I’m genuinely worried. It doesn’t feel like just any young players will do but we genuinely need multiple superb signings this summer to change the tide. And I don’t think the club management can deliver that when they’re focusing on unproven kids like that LB Leon. I’ve usually batted against big spending but we do need 4-5 really high quality signings to turn this depressing tide. Yes we have to do smart business but were also in dangerous territory for a club of our stature.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I honestly don’t know where we go from here. These players are a lost cause and the signings made over the last 3-4 years have only deepened the problems. It feels like the team is suffering from severe depression at just being so physically, technically and mentally humiliated on a consistent basis.

I used to think 3-4 signings of the right age could move the needle over a few years but now I’m genuinely worried. It doesn’t feel like just any young players will do but we genuinely need multiple superb signings this summer to change the tide. And I don’t think the club management can deliver that when they’re focusing on unproven kids like that LB Leon. I’ve usually batted against big spending but we do need 4-5 really high quality signings to turn this depressing tide. Yes we have to do smart business but were also in dangerous territory for a club of our stature.
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It’s just survival mode until the summer, now. After that, who knows.
 
Posh Red said:
It’s just survival mode until the summer, now. After that, who knows.
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The biggest issue is survival mode is usually a team grinding out results by being hard to beat,
This United team currently isn't even doing that!
Tactically poor and devoid of any confidence, it's not looking promising moving forward as it stands.
 
ole@thewheel said:
The most frustrating part of all this is realizing that, despite hitting what felt like rock bottom under Rangnick in 2021, even after an eye-watering £600+ million investment, the introduction of supposedly competent football management, and promises of a "culture shift," we somehow find ourselves in an even worse position than where we started.

It’s baffling. The big investments, the structural overhauls, the fresh ideas—they’ve all been thrown at the problem, and yet, nothing seems to truly stick. The ambition is there, but the results just aren’t.

Without trying to sound completely fatalistic, it’s hard to see a clear way forward, but to go there and try the things we tried before again and hope to get lucky this time.
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That 600m+ means feck all and everything else is a bit crippled be PSR. It's not like we could risk a point deduction.

Change takes time and 6 months is not long in that regard. Admittingly I am also extremley frustrated like everyone else but I try to remind my self of this.

I don't think it was a good idea and don't know what his aim was with this comments but I am tired of watching lower league teams play like prime barca against us because most of our players can't to the simple thinks right.
 
JoseM4 said:
If he can’t improve the team he shouldn’t have been hired. If he’s waiting for a complete roster turnover it will take many years and he will be long gone.

Other teams hire managers who work with players they didn’t recruit yet they are able to improve the team.

One more embarrassing loss like this and I’ll be Amorim out.
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Tbf he didn't want the job. He wanted to wait until summer but we backed him into accepting the role.
 
devilish said:
ETH had caused untold damage to this team by saddling us with every Eredivisie linked player there is. We now has a squad that lack athleticism, whose 2 most paid players can't/won't run, whose strikers can't score goals and whose wingers refuse to make assists. Thank god we got rid of him when we did else we would have lost Amad on a free because hey hey hey kept insisting on a winger who makes Jesse Lingard look like Messi. We paid 80m for this guy btw.
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This. So close to loose Amad. Imagine that on top.
 
I think he can say that and it’s a fair statement. But he needs to follow stuff like this with a positive vision for the future. If he doesn’t, it’s basically just bashing the players. And even though they deserve that, it’s most likely not going to work.
 
Florida Man said:
Never had a comment like that under Ole and ETH and the team (also consisting of regular NT starters) and it never turned out well either. Ole was even considered almost too nice of a character.

Top flight sports consist primarily of the most competitive personalities in the world, hence the big paychecks. Even more so when it’s at a massive club like United where the pressure is always intense to perform or else face scrutiny across the world. Let the pussy divas show their ass and slowly send them put while keeping the ones who still feel to have something to prove. That takes time to solidify again.
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That seems to assume that because the paychecks are big and the stakes are high, normal human psychology somehow doesn't apply. That's not how it works.
 
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