why did we sell Kovar to bring this guy in? Never fully understood the rationale. Was it PSR or whatever related?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
I swear to God he is against us.
I think PSR was part of it, the other part was that Kovar wanted to leave to fight for a starting spot at Leverkusen and we weren't going to stand in his way.
Ah, thanks for the answer.
I'm in a position where I don't trust any of our keepers. Feels bad
I don't really agree with that, as a player you can't really do much about it when the ref ignores you being blatantly fouled in such a way that prevents you from doing whatever you were going to do.
Bayendir would most likely easily have caught the ball with 2 hands if one of them hadn't been hooked mid jump.
Didn't cover himself in any glory with the other Spurs goals, but the last one really wasn't on him at all.
Kovář asked for the transfer (multiple times — he asked to leave for Sparta Prague as well). Ten Hag didn't really rotate keepers even in the cups so the perspective of being an actual reserve keeper (instead of a token name on the bench) for Leverkusen seemed more appealing, I guess.
Oh dear
Dodgy isn't he?
Don’t think I’ll complain about Onana, even though the fourth goal was definitely a foul.
From the European land of hair and can't even grow a full beard.
You havent seen Kovar played, have you? He is miles, miles away from premier league standard.
It's amazing that Forster conspired to actually be the worst keeper on the pitch today.
I was willing to look past the sideburns if he was a half decent keeper but they are simply unacceptable.
I don't know about that. A Premier League keeper conceding from a corner kick. Fecking hell. Come back Onana all is forgiven.
Move him on and get a different back up. I don’t even rate Onana highly but we’d be fecked if we had to rely on Bayinder.
To surmise that the suggestion was that "he's premier league standard", after a cup game and from the Bayindir thread, sure is something.
I have seen Kovar play, and I think he's better than Bayindir
That blunder compilation that was going around social media when we signed him seems about right.
The first goal was atrocious. It's coming at him centrally from 30 yards and he still makes a balls of it.
The first goal was atrocious. It's coming at him centrally from 30 yards and he still makes a balls of it.
I don't really get the uproar about his performance. He should've done better for the first goal but Yoro and the other defenders were culpable as well, aside from that I didn't see any mistakes except for a few inaccurate long balls.
One of the only times where ETH was justified in not playing someone.
It's a long time since the days of Sergio Romero...
And yes he probably was fouled on the 4th, but at the same time, I honestly don't think he'd have saved it even if he hadn't been "impeded"
And yes he probably was fouled on the 4th, but at the same time, I honestly don't think he'd have saved it even if he hadn't been "impeded"
He let in a corner.
Rúben did the "classic" thing that is kinda usual in portuguese top clubs: cup games are games for the substitute keeper to get game time on case he is called to action.
Unfortunately this also shown that if Onana gets sick, or worse, injuries, we might be in a bad place at our goal.
Unfortunately this also shown that if Onana gets sick, or worse, injuries, we might be in a bad place at our goal.
We had the greatest backup keeper ever to this guy. Romero was a rock for us.
Thought he was great last night.
Not going to blame him for Son's goal at all. It was clearly a foul by Bergvall and would've been recalled by VAR, had it been available. He would've cleared the ball had Bergvall not pulled them down with his hands.
The first goal wasn't a howler. The ball came through a lot of bodies and yes he should've done better to clear it away from danger but it wasn't a horrible mistake.
The first goal wasn't a howler. The ball came through a lot of bodies and yes he should've done better to clear it away from danger but it wasn't a horrible mistake.
Because he was fouled.
He was brushed on the other arm... you can argue whether it was a foul or not a foul, but either way he should still be stopping the ball.
If the foul had been given, it would have only served to cover up weak goalkeeping.
Agreed. He looked tiny in that goal and he wasn't aggressive enough when the cross came in. He definitely could've caught it
No, this is nonsense. You're not allowed to do what the Spurs player did, he used his arm to prevent Bayindir from raising his arms to catch the ball. It's one of the clearest fouls against a keeper I've seen over the past few weeks.
It doesn't matter if he could've been stronger, you can always be stronger. Imagine Amad vs City, if he'd been taken down for the pen but the ref somehow missed it, would you be upset at Amad for not doing better? Of course not.
The 'foul' if if was one only prevented him catching the ball... I'd expect a half competent keeper to still save the ball given the minimal contact.
You can't compare it to the foul on Amad... whether the ref missed it there's no debate if it was a foul or not, not even the City players protested it. With the Bayindir one, it is debatable whether the amount of contact is sufficient for a foul to be given.
Right, so because you think the amad foul was clear and obvious, you don't think Amad should've done better. I think it was a clear foul on Bayindir so I don't think he should've done better.
I'll say it again, you're just not allowed to do what that spurs player did. Going by the FA's laws of the game it could've been a direct free kick for any of the following reasons:
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
charges
jumps at
kicks or attempts to kick
pushes
strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
tackles or challenges
take your pick really, that's not even considering the laws around indirect free kicks.
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You've totally ignored the first bit 'in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:'. None of these three apply to the challenge on Bayindir.
Whether it was a foul or not on Amad is irrelevant, he had his standing leg taken from under him... he couldn't have been stronger unless he was the Hulk and the situation is different as he was attacking, not defending... its was advantageous to go down in the circumstances.
With regards to Bayindir, to not attempt to save the ball in in the circumstances would have been poor judgement as you're taking a gamble on the ref seeing it as a foul, so he must have been trying to save it. If he can't save it with minimal physical pressure applied against him, then it has to go down as a calamitous error on his part.
Ultimately it is a contact sport and he's not exactly been charged into the net as a result of the challenge on him.
I ignored it because I assumed we all knew about that, my bad. Again from the FAs laws of the game:
- Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
My point about Amad is that he could've done better in that situation, he could've gone around the keeper, taken a better touch, or any number of things really, he didn't do that and as a result he was fouled but I don't see anyone saying he should've done better.
Idk what your 3rd paragraph has to do with what I said. I think we all know that similar events usually get called and we all know the laws aren't very well enforced. I'd be OK with what happened to Bayindir not being a foul if the laws were changed and it was consistently enforced.
Will start against Arsenal, confirmed by Amorim.
Oh 
Whoever starts against CL Stoke are in for a tough game if United can’t limit the set pieces.
Why did we buy him? He is clearly far worse than even Onana
We knew he was worse than Onana. That's why we signed him to be our second choice goalkeeper. Why the confusion?
He was reasonably cheap and also quite young and despite that was coming off a run of almost 4 seasons as first choice keeper at Fenerbahce. He was quite well thought of initially and had been capped by Turkey but he had developed a habit of making some real howlers and his reputation was taking a hit. I think it was seen as a low cost punt on a player who if he could turn around his trajectory might end up gaining value. It is tough to see if that could have ever been the case though as he has barely played in over 18 months here and it is next to impossible to play well when you are never in the team and you are on a hiding to nothing when you do get the odd appearance.
Match hasn't started and we're complaining already. This guy gave us a PTSD 