And you seem to be missing that we finished level on points with the champions in 2011-12 and last season we finished 6th.
Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart
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You're missing the point, it ain't just about the title exclusively, it's likely to push us ahead of them which they won't like or want. Wenger needs to win back his fans, selling Sanchez to us is never going to help him.
Many on here think it's Bale but Sanchez is THE missing link. The final piece of the jigsaw. The Omega to our Alpha (Zlatan)..
We live in hope.
We live in hope.
I was saying that we wouldn't win the title, not that they wouldn't sell us their best player.
I don't think they will, I hope they do but I ain't seeing it.
we wont sell him to you's.
The only reason we sold RVP to you's was coz he had fully made his mind up and only you, city and juve were in for him and he didn't want to go abroad and was adamant on working with SAF.
United is probably at the bottom of the list for sanchez, in fact i wouldnt be surprised if you's are not in the list at all
The only reason we sold RVP to you's was coz he had fully made his mind up and only you, city and juve were in for him and he didn't want to go abroad and was adamant on working with SAF.
United is probably at the bottom of the list for sanchez, in fact i wouldnt be surprised if you's are not in the list at all
You's can keep him
gladly will, thanks.
We're not in the list but he joined Arsenal, so his standards can't be that high can they. If Arsenal weren't based in London they wouldn't have stood a chance of getting him.
If you think last year was cruel for AW, next season is going to be on completely another level if he approves Alexis sale to City with them doing well and Arsenal struggling again. The man has lost the plot completely if Sanchez transfers to City after the last year's campaign.
Buy some AFTv stock.
I always maintained that I'd have preferred Sanchez to Griezmann as he was already the best player in the country. averaging 25 goals per season for Arsenal, playing a whole multitude of positions,even filling in upfront. Almost the perfect attacking signing for a United team that is still working out its best strategy, line up, formation etc as he could fill in anywhere and score goals.
I don't think they can sell him to City without a player of similar stature arriving. Even then, the deal is highly unpalatable. Arsenal don't need the money; the option of holding firm and refusing to sell to a rival is in my view preferable to the alternative, even if that means losing him for free next summer. In those circumstances at least the club would be able to say they resisted rather than capitulated (see Dortmund & Lewandowski).
It's a tough dilemma for the club and Wenger in particular, isn't it?
No sympathy for Arsenal though.
And that worked out great for Dortmund didn't it? In Lewa's final season they finished 19 points behind Bayern. Then they finished 7th the season after he left whilst he won the title with Bayern. But hey, at least they can say they tried their hardest to keep him.
There was no benefit to keeping him in his final season and then letting him leave for free. I'd rather we sell Sanchez for as much as we can this summer than let him leave for free next year.
Fair enough, that's a point of view.
Given your financial situation though, there's really no upside to selling now (there's no player in the world that you can't afford now that you would be able to afford following Sanchez's sale). I suppose the possible negative is that the player may spend the whole season sulking.
I'd be all for Sanchez. 60-80mill throw the kitchen sink at Arsenal.
An experienced proven Premier league player, that has a work rate like Park. Throws tantrums sometimes but you can't really blame him, he's playing for fecking Arsenal the poor bloke.
I think with him, Morata, Fab could easily be title challengers next season. Take out Sanchez and where are those extra goals coming from, it's unlikely Morata is going to be able to put up the numbers Zlatan did and even if he does, still 30-40 goals off where Utd should be.
The other plus, even if it costs 70mill is preventing City from getting him. As he's one player that I think will take them to the point of 'we don't need a fecking defence'
An experienced proven Premier league player, that has a work rate like Park. Throws tantrums sometimes but you can't really blame him, he's playing for fecking Arsenal the poor bloke.
I think with him, Morata, Fab could easily be title challengers next season. Take out Sanchez and where are those extra goals coming from, it's unlikely Morata is going to be able to put up the numbers Zlatan did and even if he does, still 30-40 goals off where Utd should be.
The other plus, even if it costs 70mill is preventing City from getting him. As he's one player that I think will take them to the point of 'we don't need a fecking defence'
And they reached both the CL and the national cup final. You can hardly blame them on losing out against which was the best team in Europe that year.
Didn't they get knocked out in the quarter final of the CL that year?
You are right, my bad. Still, it was the right call made by Dortmund. He already agreed on terms with us, and we didn't want to pay more than 20m to buy him out.
Its like the Joker said in the Dark Knight - "Its not about the money, its about sending a message". Your offer was less than 20m and that is peanuts to Dortmund. They were trying to lay down the marker and say they wouldnt be bullied by the biggest club in Germany nor by a player who thought he can hold them to ransom and that they accomplished.
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't want him then.
Everyone acts like he's this big world class player but the term goes thrown around too loosely these days. He's a good player but world class? Nah.
Everyone acts like he's this big world class player but the term goes thrown around too loosely these days. He's a good player but world class? Nah.
The term means different things for different people so it's hard to agree or disagree with you.
He's an amazing footballer though. Better than anyone we have bar Pogba. Among the best 3 players in the league if not the best.
Does it matter what label some put on a player? Is he clearly better than the incumbent and does he fit our playing style are the more important questions.
Who gives a feck whether he fits the totally subjective world class definition of various posters here? The only factors that should decide whether or not we want to sign him are whether our manager wants him and whether he's an upgrade on what we have. The latter is not in question, the former is one we can't know.
Why would you not want him here? He scores around 25 goals a season, creates chances out of nowhere, takes free-kicks, has a winning mentality and works really hard. What's not to like? I'd take him over Bale right now.
It wouldn't surprise me if we weren't. He was stupid enough to sign for a team that wins nothing just because they qualified for the champions league.
He turned us down on multiple occasions so why should we bail him out of his Arsenal nightmare?
He's not a United player. Not every good player is suited to Manchester United. Bale suits us far more than Sanchez would.
We've won the FA cup 3 times in the last 4 seasons. Does that not count as a trophy anymore?
What the only other team in it were Liverpool at the time, and they sold the only reason they finished as runner up in the league that same summer. Also their track record around that time was 7th places finishes so that 2nd place looked more of an anomaly than anything.
On the other hand we bought ozil previous summer and at least had CL certainty.
It was certainly more than just city that made his mind up
If you were in Nottingham and had the exact same scenario as you've just mentioned there, he wouldn't be an Arsenal player.
So is there any reliable sources linking him to us or are we just dreaming he comes to us over citeh?
Dreaming.
If the Martial bid is credible (which I doubt), a swap deal for Sanchez should be something to consider.
Still got to persuade Sanchez.
I don't think it would be difficult. Very few teams can afford his wages, Barca and Madrid are stacked for players in his position, as are Man City. Arsenal would only let him go to Chelsea if they got Hazard in return which won't happen. Unless he genuinely wants to stay with Arsenal (which all indications suggest he doesn't), the stars could aline.
Personally I think Martial should be kept, as his potential is huge. But history as shown that if a Mourinho doesn't like the cut of a player's jib, no matter how talented, he's prepared to move him on.
Iirc, I think Jim's a City fan.
You seem high on swap or p/x deals.
Many are mooted, very few occur.
Looking at the politics and finances of the options for Sanchez, these could be his only genuine 'outs' at this time. That said, I have a friend who coined the phrase, 'The likelihood of a swap deal taking place is inversely proportional to how much sense that move would make for both parties'. I generally hold that to be true.
Although he also says we can stay in the single market and still restrict freedom of movement, so don't put too much trust in his judgement.
I really dislike when ex players say this. What is a United player? surely the players of the highest quality who are best in their positions? A player who was signed by Barcelona and also Arsenal (both of which have been better than us recently) is randomly not a United player. Don't listen to Giggs et al with their "united player" tripe. Man Utd players are not some unique, mystical creature that are only born once in a generation. Not as if we have a unique playing style that no one can adapt to. You may not have noticed but, during the 90's Ferguson did often try to sign some of the worlds top players (Salas, Batistuta, Gascoigne, Del Piero) etc simply because they were superb players. He even signed Veron. The United player thing is a bit of a myth and excuse really. I would love to know what are the prerequisites of a United player?
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