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Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart
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I think your quip flew right over his head, higher than the international space station!
You's can't win 'em all!
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I think your quip flew right over his head, higher than the international space station!
You's can't win 'em all!
Someone who knows what playing for Manchester United is all about. Someone who embraces the city and knows the history of the club. Evra is pretty much the ultimate "United player".
He might not have been as good of a player as Marcelo or Roberto Carlos but he was perfect for us. If you asked the Caf back then, they would have took Carlos. Even though he would be a complete mismatch for the club.
Morata is another one who isn't a United player.
Depay, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin were clearly not United players and look how those signings turned out. I'd throw Martial in this bracket aswell.
Not every good player is suited to United. Some of them are. I could see Bale, Lukaku and Griezmann excelling here and becoming United greats.
But the likes of Mbappe, Morata, Belotti, etc? Not so much. They just don't have the United DNA in them.
Definitely agree with this bit.
Sorry, i don't believe in stuff like that. Sounds like a lot of BS to me. There's only one thing that really matters and that is quality. Sure, some players fail at a club even though they have quality, but that's most of the time down to smaller reasons. Age, injuries, problems with the manager, does not fit into the line up etc. But not understanding a club sounds like delusion of the highest order.
They don't have 'United DNA' because they don't play for Utd. If they join they may well embrace the culture and the club, or they might not. Everyone loves Mata because he does - he also did that with Chelsea so that's just his personality. Others aren't so outwardly.
Solskjaer was a Liverpool fan growing up but who gives a shit. Performances matter.
I don't think it's something that can be taught.
I don't see Morata understanding the club. Or even wanting to. His heart is in Madrid and that's why he's joined them twice. In my opinion it would be like asking Raul to join us in the 90s. It's a complete mismatch and we would be better off buying Lukaku or Kane. It would work out much better and I guarantee that.
Times have changed tbf. I would agree with you back then and hell even right until Ferguson's retirement he valued those intangibles in a player. But modern football is volatile - managers and players come and go like a revolving door so I'm not sure if it should apply now otherwise we risk missing out on better players.
Ronaldo was a Real fan, always was and left to play for them. Still great for the years he was here. It is rare that you will find a foreigner who adores United. Plus Chelsea get success without signing players who adore Chelsea. City managed it also. Before you say (mercaniries etc) they manage to keep their players for many years, until they have no use for them. Its pure fantasy and romantism. Shall we only sign British players and EPL based players then? I am sure we will be competitive. Back to the original debate, Sanchez is no Arsenal fan but has performed admirably for them. go figure!
Ronaldo embraced the club and its culture. There's a massive difference in him and Martial/Depay for example.
There's plenty of players who suit United that we should go for.
Sanchez, Morata and Mbappe wouldn't suit United as well as Bale, Kane and Griezmann in my opinion. It would be pointless signing them cause it would end like Di Maria, Depay, etc.
Anyone who's been watching United for years and years would see where I'm coming from. Would you have traded Giggs for Nedved or Scholes for Xavi or Neville for Cafu? Hell no. The other three are arguably better but they simply would not suit United. We won all those trophies cause of guys like them. And it wasn't all to do with their talent either.
why would Rodriguez be a better fit? Who says Lukaku would embrace our culture? he is ex Chelsea. Mbappe is a young player so I am sure he has respect for the club. Sanchez performed top level for Arsenal, despite their decline. How would Sanchez end up like Di Maria?!?! He has been doing it for years for a smaller club in England. All Sanchez wants is to win titles. Griezmann loves United so much that he refused to come in the end. He had a choice and opted out. Give whatever reasons you want but he still did it. Morata is the suspicious one I would agree. Bale could be a good choice but like Sanchez, he too rejected us twice!!!!
So am I right in saying that when Evra was at Monaco you watched him and thought that he would become the massive United personality that he turned out to be? If you didn't, then I don't see how you can say that other players can't be the same.
I for one had no idea Evra would "get" the club as much as he did. It's a players personality, something of which we know nothing about.
You've shifted the goalposts here by using homegrown Utd players as examples when the discussion was about signing players from the outside.
Harry Kane has as much affinity to Utd as Morata - zilch. But you don't know if that will change if either becomes a Utd player.
Take the £40 million earmarked for Perisic, double it to £80 million, and for fecks sake, take it to Arsenal and bring in some actual quality in Sanchez.
Lukaku would never be a United great. The fans don't care for that type of forward here. Bale would be seen as a waste of fecking money because he's an injury prone prick that thought he was as good as Ronaldo and turned us down for Madrid. It's generally the unknown quantities that make it big here that the fans love.
Makes absolutely no fecking sense.
So pretty much your argument is English/local players - United players, foreigners = aren't.
But you chucked Griezmann in as a token foreign player to stop people pointing out the above.
I don't think they'd sell for anything less than £150 million mate. I'd still want us to do the deal though. Kane would be a dream signing.
Then divide that by 3 and add this to the square root of 10,000 to get Mbappe.
Won't get Kane for 90mill, Levy won't sell to Utd for under 120-130 if that.
A foreign club like Bayern , Real, Barca might get him for that but Utd won't.
Still getting Kane dosen't fix the issues Utd had last season, just a replacement for Ibra. Getting both Sanchez & either Kane or Morata is what's needed.
I'd love us to go for Sanchez - he's practically guaranteed to get around 20 goals in all competitions and that'd be playing mostly out wide.
I personally don't think Arsenal will challenge for the title while Wenger is there, I expect them to take a bit of a step back (after they took one already by finally not finishing in the top four). They are financially stable, but if Sanchez isn't going to sign a new contract, I don't see much of an upside to keeping him. They're unlikely to win anything as it is, so making £60m+ on Sanchez would be a great deal for them and they could at least bring in a downgrade in the mould of Mahrez for the time being (as well as bringing in a striker, of course).
I personally don't think Arsenal will challenge for the title while Wenger is there, I expect them to take a bit of a step back (after they took one already by finally not finishing in the top four). They are financially stable, but if Sanchez isn't going to sign a new contract, I don't see much of an upside to keeping him. They're unlikely to win anything as it is, so making £60m+ on Sanchez would be a great deal for them and they could at least bring in a downgrade in the mould of Mahrez for the time being (as well as bringing in a striker, of course).
Even for £60m, what would the backlash be like from the Arsenal fans? Even with their history of selling, I think Wenger and/or the Board would be incredibly foolish to sanction a transfer to any PL rival. They are better off letting him run down his contract then saying after that they tried everything to persuade him to extend.
I dont think they care about that if not Wenger wouldnt have been given an extension.
Quality means less if you don't have the mental aptitute to handel the pressure that entails being an United player. I personally believe that the pressure put on players at our club is far greater than any other club in England. Fans, the media, maybe even the board expect the players to win almost every game and tournament despite opposition, because of our history, not our present.
To play at a club that demands so much you have to be driven, ambitious, able to take critique when warranted, simply put you have to be a true professional if you're not you will fail here most likely, you are not given as many chances here as in other clubs.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ent-signing-alexis-sanchez-arsenal-dani-alves
Articles popping up around Wenger putting in an Oh So Wengerish bid for Lemar and Mahrez and then this. Starting to look like Sanchez is off.
Articles popping up around Wenger putting in an Oh So Wengerish bid for Lemar and Mahrez and then this. Starting to look like Sanchez is off.
If we aren't in for him it's a fecking disgrace.
I thought those summer's of enviously seeing players rock up at City were over.
I thought those summer's of enviously seeing players rock up at City were over.
Exactly! Just go and spend the Griezmann money on him. We desperately need a world class attacker and I'll be livid if he goes to another PL club without us putting up a big fight.
If City get Sanchez; Arsenal replace him with Lemar and we end up with Perisic we are absolute mugs.
Lets try to buy him again so he can refuse us again.
But we weren't in the CL last time plus he wanted to go to London. Both of these factors have changed.
If we are the biggest club in the world, we shouldn't be missing out on our own leagues "best" player. Especially if Madrid / Barce are in the mix.
He wants to play for Pep.
Like it or not, we don't have monopoly on top players in this league anymore.
There a a couple of reasons why he's rather sign for City.
Arsenal fans and I feel the board get this as well have no problems being a selling club to City. They can reason it internally as they are simply offloading to a moneybags club with no history. By selling to us, their main rival during their own glory years under Wenger, it shows how far they have fallen particularly now we no longer have Ferguson at our club,.
I'm sure we would try
I think sometimes personal drive is confused for "club DNA".
In 2008 we won a League and European Cup double with players like Tevez, Ronaldo, Anderson and Hargreaves in key positions. None of them could be said to be "United through and through" but in the case of Ronaldo and Tevez in particular, they had the drive off the pitch to improve and be the best, and the drive on it to impact and influence games.
Ronaldo was never all about United, he was about improving himself by whatever means necessary in order to become the best in the world. He left us at his peak and is still considered by many to be up there with our most important ever players.
It's nice to have players here who buy into the history and story of the club. But it's more important to have players who want to be the best and are prepared to work at it.
Ronaldo and Anderson were proper United players. How can you say they weren't? Ronaldo leaving has nothing to do with his passion for the club. Beckham left too.
Tevez only joined City cause Ferguson wouldn't buy him. He would have been a United legend otherwise. Hargreaves was a good servant too and massively important in the CL.
Cannot for the life of me figure out what Pep is doing there. Aguero, Jesus, Sané, Silva, Silva, KDB, Sterling. They'll already have difficulty keeping all of them happy and playing all of them significant minutes. Where on Earth does Sanchez fit into their side and why does it seem like he's a priority target for City? I assume they'd have to play him on the left but that's where Sané plays and that would surely slow his growth as a player, no? I know they'll say "there's lots of games," but surely Sanchez starts every PL game.
Just seems utterly unnecessary. They didn't struggle to score goals last season, they struggled all along their defense and in midfield. Why are they so desperate to reinforce what is by far the strongest area of their team?
Just seems utterly unnecessary. They didn't struggle to score goals last season, they struggled all along their defense and in midfield. Why are they so desperate to reinforce what is by far the strongest area of their team?
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