Quite possible that four years of being the 5th or 6th best team in the country have hurt us in that regard.
Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart
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Quite possible that four years of being the 5th or 6th best team in the country have hurt us in that regard.
Its more than likely player specific. Sanchez knows Pep from Barca.
You have to admire how the guy consistently performs for Chile too.
I thought the reason he was sold was because he didn't mesh well with Pep's football? At least I recall that was the issue.
we should just offer 90M and see what happens.... At worst, they can only say no
If we thought the player was interested, we probably would.
What does that matter?
It would force things to move. Either the goons or madrid or someone else will feel they better act. We'd only have to decide exactly what it is we want and that would be our corner. And act for our own intetests. But the chaos it would cause be well worth it.
I don't think that's how it works. You broadly agree terms with the player (or at least establish a mutual willingness to do the deal) prior to submitting a bid to the parent club. We're not going to just make Arsenal a £90m offer for Sanchez if the player has told us he's not interested/wants to go elsewhere.
Ohh i dont know, a lure of 300Kpw can sway a lot of heads. Even Sanchez
As for agreeing terms, well it gives arsenal another headache to keep putting us off. Plus if our terms are higher than others, its not so easy for them to pay him his dues. Would you prefer he went to city? At least if he does we could raise his value. There is no way he will be allowed to talk to an english club so its all media stuff anyhow.
Unfortunately I don't think we can prevent him going to City. It's all down to Arsenal.
Prevent? Throw another hat in the ring!
Cityare not much improvement either though
You never knowwhat theplayer is intrested in. How many belived we 'd sign rvp over city?
He was sold in 2014. Pep was at Bayern then.
There was no place for him after Suarez was signed that summer. He wasn't going to play ahead of MSN, so he was down the pecking order.
But he wasn't great in his debut season at Barcelona. Think Pep was somewhat disappointed in him. In fact, Sanchez was poor in his 1st 2 seasons. It was his last season that he finally met some of the expectations fans had of him and even then he still wasn't 1st choice in some of the biggest games.
Pep will play many of those guys together most of the time. He doesn't need to play 4 or even 3 actual defenders against 80% of PL opponents with those players. And i assume Alexis will play the false 9 role
Because it's not nearly good enough. They were by far the best attacking team in the league, but only finished with the 3rd most goals. That team should have scored around 100 league goals this season based on the amount and quality of chances they created every game. They finished with 80
Nonsense, they absolutely struggled to score when it mattered and were terribly ineffective in front of goal. Defensively they gave up less goals than the year before and nearly the same total as the year they won the Premiership. Their defense needs to improve, which it will, but they have to convert. A goalscorer is absolutely needed although I am unconvinced that Alexis is the best solution there.
The advantage with Alexis is that he can play anywhere in that attacking line which is part of the tactical flexibility in attack that Pep loves. Even when he is not scoring, like last night, he is setting things up for his teammates
Can see them scoring 100+ goals.
Their firepower is insane.
We all know how this will end.
Arsenal are going to sell him.
No way Kreonke allows him run down his contract.
What worries me is that, City last season scored more goals, created more chances and always looked more likely to score than us. Yet, they're still likely to sign more quality than us in attacking areas.
I have yet to see us like ked with one attacking player that imo makes us genuine title contenders.
We are already a team that struggle to score goals. I can't see Morata and Perisic pushing us that far up the table.
Their firepower is insane.
We all know how this will end.
Arsenal are going to sell him.
No way Kreonke allows him run down his contract.
What worries me is that, City last season scored more goals, created more chances and always looked more likely to score than us. Yet, they're still likely to sign more quality than us in attacking areas.
I have yet to see us like ked with one attacking player that imo makes us genuine title contenders.
We are already a team that struggle to score goals. I can't see Morata and Perisic pushing us that far up the table.
City win the league if they get him, and by some distance.
I don't buy this 'just wants pep' excuse. IF we are the biggest team in the world we just need to flex our muscle, much like we did with Pogba. Blow everyone else out of the water, it was widely reported Pogba preferred Madrid, yet they wouldn't go as high as us.
RE Sanchez, I would view this as our most important signing since RvP. He is exactly what we need, the perfect no7 and he is every inch a Utd player. Much like RvP keeping him away from a rival is also the incentive.
Unfortunately it would appear he isn't a target, which is a disgrace.
I don't buy this 'just wants pep' excuse. IF we are the biggest team in the world we just need to flex our muscle, much like we did with Pogba. Blow everyone else out of the water, it was widely reported Pogba preferred Madrid, yet they wouldn't go as high as us.
RE Sanchez, I would view this as our most important signing since RvP. He is exactly what we need, the perfect no7 and he is every inch a Utd player. Much like RvP keeping him away from a rival is also the incentive.
Unfortunately it would appear he isn't a target, which is a disgrace.
Looks more and more likely that City will sign him. Arsenal doing their usual tough stance act. Once they get a few signings done and feel they have the fans on their side, they will sell him to the highest bidder.
We should be all over this like a rash, the fact we have lacked in the goal scoring department coupled with the departure of Zlatan and possibly Rooney it would be nothing less than incompetent if we didn't even enquire about him.
I hear he has 1 year left on his contract so he wouldn't cost an obscene amount and more importantly he could be difference in winning the league or even champs league.
I hear he has 1 year left on his contract so he wouldn't cost an obscene amount and more importantly he could be difference in winning the league or even champs league.
90million? or have you mis typed?
Since when on earth is Sanchez worth 90m?? He wants out and is in the last year of his contract, offering that amount is daft talk.
Plus - it would appear we are not interested, no credible links and no hints from the player he wants to come.
Be very surprised if we move for him, seen some comments that if we don't make an offer it would be a disgrace which I don't agree with. He showed promise at Udinese, didn't make it at Barca and has had 1 stand out season in a very poor Arsenal team. He's a workhorse and a good player, I don't think he's all that though. Think people on here are hyping him up a bit too much
I don't believe this at all. One of the best players in the league and plays in a position that we need improving. There must be some other reason like Arsenal refusing to do business with us or Sanchez rejecting us for City. Even Fergie would be all over this signing. This guy could potentially win us the league.
It's a bit more complicated than that. For instance, imagine how your other negotiations will be impacted once other clubs see that you are able and willing to pay 90 million bucks for a 29 year old who is in the last year of his contract and wants out even though he's a very good 29yr old. What Inter, Madrid and Chelsea are doing in the Perisic, Morata and Matic negotiations according to reports, will be child's play.
I believe that part of the reasons why we seem to be struggling in the transfer market (of I may refer to what is going on as struggling) this season is because the world just saw us shell out over 90 million bucks for Paul Pogba and recent rankings show we are the richest club around.
I'm kust pointing out the fact that when and how you bid always have implications and clubs always put such implications into consideration before making a move.
People forget this. Our history is great and all but we saw it with Chelsea, when they were signing big players, despite being what some call a "plastic club." times have changed and we as fans need to accept that we aren't the big dogs anymore.
"City's feeder club" does not sit too well I imagine. Koscienley next?
Either he has plans to sell Kun or he has cracked. Maybe last season being the 1st time he has never won a trophy broke him and thus he is now overcompensating and has lost his mind. expect a bid for Dembele next.
Have to agree. Signing Sanchez is almost a given. There has to be some discouraging factor, preventing a bidding war. maybe he didn't want to discuss terms? Really it should be Chelsea signing him as Costa looks a goner. I actually think they'll snap him up slyly
Worth every penny of £90mil, we are on the verge of paying £70 mil for a Madrid bench warmer. That's nothing against Morata btw.
Sanchez would win us the league.
Purely by Marca and other Spanish brown-nosing journos iirc, so nah.
As people have already said, if he doesn't want to come here (he's already rejected us once) then there's nothing we can do about it, throwing money at Arsenal won't change shit if his mind is made up.
I don't really want players who don't want to be here either, what's the point?
Morata may win us the league, Belotti may, Pogba may, Sanchez may......all ifs and buts. You cannot say with 100% certainty Sanchez would win us the league. He would improve us for sure, but no evidence to suggest we want him and he wants to come.
He wouldn't be worth anything near 90million. He's not a 90million pound player firstly, and secondly he is in the last year of his contract! No team on earth will pay 90mil for him, not even China
So how would that conversation go? We inform Sanchez that we would like to buy him and will offer him massive wages. He tells us he's not interested, that he wants to either play for Guardiola's City or stay at Arsenal and he absolutely won't move to United this summer. We then tell him, "sorry, you have no choice, we're buying you and you will sign the contract we give you and will play for us whether you like it or not."
I don't really see that happening, sorry.
What has any of that got to do with us causing chaos in the market?
anit that how much madrid want any how??? And they think we are only talking to them.
Thats the whole point! Take away their position of power. He wants to come and we want him all we need to do is weaken Madrids position. If the next best offer is say 60M im sure they'd agree to a lower price to get this done. He wont stay at Real as 3rd or 4th striker again this season with world cup next summer. He is being sold no matter what. He feels he needs to play. Knows we'd give him loads of game time in the CL.
You know im betting the buy back clause(we dont want) is the real hold up.
We should absolutely be bidding big for this guy. He could have the RvP effect for us. We desperately need goals from midfield, this guy IS goals from midfield. Imagine where our season would have been if we had Sanchez instead of Lingard or Martial?
I would imagine a league title or close 2nd along with an F.A. cup or Coca Cola. We would've thrown the Europa in place of a title charge.
Think what you want re pogba.
It's plainly obvious he was going to the highest bidder, something which benefited Raiola.
Not saying he doesn't want to be here, but there wasn't a matching offer on the table.
And why do we want to cause chaos in the market?
What possible benefits is there to bidding 90million for Sanchez?
I can see zero, perhaps my logic is a bit too sensible for you
Lot of people saying this ("just offer Pogba like sums and people will bend over for us!") but I think Mourinho is being realistic in not bidding here. He knows Wenger will never sell to him so why waste the time? With any other manager in world football and a big bucks offer you'd have a chance to pick him up but it's just not gonna happen with Jose in charge.
I'm guessing if Alexis asks to leave (and his body language last season certainly suggests he will if he hasn't already) we'll sell him abroad and possibly to City or Chelsea if he insists upon it and they offer stupid money of 50m+ (which might sound reasonable for his talent but with only a year on his contract it's stupid money).
If he does get sold*, and particularly to a Prem team, then next season is gonna be even more toxic than last. Fun times ahead!
* I realise this opening should probably read "when he gets sold" but a) unlike the barren years we're in a good financial position and don't need the money, b) we couldn't replace his contribution with the fee we'd get and c) I'm hopelessly optimistic.
You've gotta admit that if City sign this guy, plus the reported signing of Kyle Walker and perhaps another body in defence they are looking a mighty good outfit.
Scary good. But then again I thought they'd conquer the world with Gundogan, KdB, and Co...
The Pep philosophy... Have better players than anyone else!
He'd still do well to win the league next season.
Considering that's what we did for a very long, saying that about city makes us sound a bit hypocritical.The Pep philosophy... Have better players than anyone else!
He'd still do well to win the league next season.
Just as it stands (even without Sanchez) I do think that city has got the best attacking force in England by quite a margin. Getting Sanchez would take them into Bayern Munich territory.
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I hope Sanchez's saga has a similar end like Dave's fax fiasco saga. Pep will be furious!
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