Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart

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If he's available, we should 100% be in for him. I'd take him over Griezmann - a much more useful player for us.

I think we'll get both. Mata? Mkhitaryan? Matrial? Squad players for a top team - just not that good.
 
Camilo said:
I think we'll get both. Mata? Mkhitaryan? Matrial? Squad players for a top team - just not that good.
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Eh? If serious, that's mental.

You have 2 times Chelsea's player of the year, one of the best talents in world football and Bundesliga player of the year on that list. Yep, just not good enough, put them on the bench.
 
Camilo said:
If he's available, we should 100% be in for him. I'd take him over Griezmann - a much more useful player for us.

I think we'll get both. Mata? Mkhitaryan? Matrial? Squad players for a top team - just not that good.
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Mhiki is that good, this is just his first season and hes been a game changer for us.
 
Jim Beam said:
Eh? If serious, that's mental.

You have 2 times Chelsea's player of the year, one of the best talents in world football and Bundesliga player of the year on that list. Yep, just not good enough, put them on the bench.
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Quite serious. Surely the evidence is our dreadful attacking play for the last 3 years. We're just not all that good in attack...
 
Camilo said:
Quite serious. Surely the evidence is our dreadful attacking play for the last 3 years. We're just not all that good in attack...
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Martial is clearly a superior player to both Sterling and Sane, who are regular starters at City, who will finish second and put 5 past Monaco. Mata is a Champions League winner, and a regular goalscorer. Look at teams who have scored more than us - Lallana? Firmino? Walcott? Giroud? I wouldn't have these players anywhere near our squad, clearly our issue in attack isn't the quality of players. We even had di Maria and Falcao at one point.
 
Definitely a goner if his body language is anything to go by. Would love us going in for him but realistically I can't see that happening. Probably returning to Italy and going to Juventus.
 
redNATION said:
Martial is clearly a superior player to both Sterling and Sane, who are regular starters at City, who will finish second and put 5 past Monaco. Mata is a Champions League winner, and a regular goalscorer. Look at teams who have scored more than us - Lallana? Firmino? Walcott? Giroud? I wouldn't have these players anywhere near our squad, clearly our issue in attack isn't the quality of players. We even had di Maria and Falcao at one point.
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Who's this Martial you speak of? The one I've watched this season has been pretty useless from start to finish. He may well turn into a good player, but right now?

The two defences I've heard for Mata have been "chelsea player of the year 2 years in a row" and "champions league winner with chelsea". He's been here 3 years - what he did with chelsea has nothing to do with anything. If anything referring to Chelsea merely highlights his lack of success here.

Our attack is just a bit crap.
 
Camilo said:
Who's this Martial you speak of? The one I've watched this season has been pretty useless from start to finish. He may well turn into a good player, but right now?

The two defences I've heard for Mata have been "chelsea player of the year 2 years in a row" and "champions league winner with chelsea". He's been here 3 years - what he did with chelsea has nothing to do with anything. If anything referring to Chelsea merely highlights his lack of success here.

Our attack is just a bit crap.
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Martial has had a pretty slow season so far but that by far doesn't mean that's he crap. He had a different role to play last season where he was pretty much the main man. He's had a poor showing at the Euros and taking away his shirt No. from him didn't do a hell lot for him coming back from a disappointing Euro. He's getting used to being a winger. He's had some good games for us but there is no doubt he's talented. He needs time and the same with Rashford. As for Sanchez, I would take him since we're light in the striker department and he can also play on either wing which makes him very versatile in attack. Would be a great signing for us (better than Griezmann)
 
Acrobat7 said:
Really? What has he done to be "clearly superior" besides playing for United?
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Martial only came to one of the toughest leagues in Europe, to the biggest club, and finished top scorer. In fact, in this poor season, he still has more goals and assists than Sane. There is no way I would swap Martial for those two, you might but his talent is obvious to see.

Camilo said:
Who's this Martial you speak of? The one I've watched this season has been pretty useless from start to finish. He may well turn into a good player, but right now?

The two defences I've heard for Mata have been "chelsea player of the year 2 years in a row" and "champions league winner with chelsea". He's been here 3 years - what he did with chelsea has nothing to do with anything. If anything referring to Chelsea merely highlights his lack of success here.

Our attack is just a bit crap.
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Interestingly, you didn't address my other point, I take it that you'd swap players like Martial, Zlatan, Mata, Mhki, and former players like Falcao and di Maria for the other likes of Giroud, Walcott, Lallana, and Firmino? How do you explain teams with these players in attack freely scoring - your argument logically leads to the conclusion that they're superior players, which I find laughable. I find it funny that our players are crap, but everyone else seems to have the holy grail in attack. Bournemouth have actually scored more goals than us but I wouldn't take a single player in their attack in our team.
 
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Camilo said:
Who's this Martial you speak of? The one I've watched this season has been pretty useless from start to finish. He may well turn into a good player, but right now?

The two defences I've heard for Mata have been "chelsea player of the year 2 years in a row" and "champions league winner with chelsea". He's been here 3 years - what he did with chelsea has nothing to do with anything. If anything referring to Chelsea merely highlights his lack of success here.

Our attack is just a bit crap.
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Any time Mata plays he almost always comes up with a goal or assist. He hasn't featured as a regular starter but hes our 2nd highest goalscorer, Martial and Mhiki are joint on goals in 3rd for us. Both of those players haven't featured regularly enough this season, however I do agree Martial hasn't performed as he should this season, but with the amount of change hes experienced since joining the club is it any wonder?

Since Mata has been with us we have won the FA up and League cup, we are still in the Europa league and FA Cup this season so a bit early to write off his lack of success at United. Also the fight shown by those 3 names when they so easily could have gave up and left the club in the January window after the rocky start to the season with Mourinho, id rather have them in the team than not. Yes our attack is lacking a certain something but I believe it is down to who plays behind them in central midfield rather than these guys entirely. Pogba should be dropped for a few games as he hasn't shown enough this season.
 
Camilo said:
Mata? Mkhitaryan? Martial? Squad players for a top team - just not that good.
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I agree. Why don't we get 5 from Barca, and 3 each from Real and Bayern, and make a super shiny United?

Or, if our sights are a bit lower, what about 5 from Chelsea, and 3 each from City and Spurs?
 
Sanchez would be a great addition for us. Give them the money I'm sure he'd join us ala RVP
 
ice-bionic red said:
Sanchez would be a great addition for us. Give them the money I'm sure he'd join us ala RVP
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RvP joined a Fergie's team. Sanchez would be joining a team that, at best, finish 4th, 5th, 4th 3 years running.

Of course, if it's just a matter of throwing money at him, then we have a chance, but overall if he values success then Bayern/Juve/Chelsea has the upper hand.
 
Jim Beam said:
Eh? If serious, that's mental.

You have 2 times Chelsea's player of the year, one of the best talents in world football and Bundesliga player of the year on that list. Yep, just not good enough, put them on the bench.
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Who you'll notice is no longer playing for chelsea, who've won two titles since.

German posters say that's BS

Agree with you about martial though. You don't bin a talent like that because his second season was difficult. Deserves another chance
 
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giorno said:
Who you'll notice is no longer playing for chelsea, who've won two titles since.

German posters say that's BS

Agree with you about martial though. You don't bin a talent like that because his second season was difficult. Deserves another chance
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Mata is a quality player. He's been as good for United as he was for Chelsea. He could fit in to any top team. Even when asked to play as a RW which doesn't suit his traits, he performs to a high level and offers goals/assists.

Mkhitaryan's talent speaks for itself. The goals and assists he contributed last year (11 goals and 15 assists in the league only) backs that up. United are already becoming dependant on him.

I'm sick of posters thinking the grass is always greener on the other side. When Mata played for Chelsea, Mkhitaryan for Dortmund, Pogba for Juve etc. the general consensus was that they were all top, world class players. As soon as they join United... they aren't any good :boring:
 
I think we should offer the guy £300k a week and see what he says. He's perfect for us. A midfield 3 of sanchez, griezmann and Miki behind Ibrahimovic would be world class. Especially if they were supported by Pogba and a wc cdm.
 
giorno said:
Who you'll notice is no longer playing for chelsea, who've won two titles since.

German posters say that's BS

Agree with you about martial though. You don't bin a talent like that because his second season was difficult. Deserves another chance
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They are on their way to win another title, but ok, they probably will. You will also notice that they won beside that CL, also Europa League and FA Cup with Mata in the team. You will notice that Robben and Higuain are no longer in Real, Vidal in Juventus etc... Don't quite understand the point. Top level players move during their career because they are, well, top players and there is always someone willing to throw money at them. Sanchez moved from Barcelona and will probably move now from Arsenal. He is still top player.

The other poster said it correctly. The grass always looks greener on the other side. If these players are somewhere else we would think that they are the solution of our problem. Mata (creativity, goal scoring ability), Martial (pace, top talent), Mhki (hybrid player, quite unique as he has a bit of everything to him) as we now look at Sanchez.

You can find some position in our team and make a case are they really top players (our back line, DM position). I just find absurd to mention these 3 when they all proved they can play at the highest level.
 
United Pro said:
Miki was Bundesligas players player of the year, so not exactly the same, but impressive nonetheless.
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That was Aubameyang, with Boateng winning the official award.

Mkhitaryan won some Kicker award I think (same as Kagawa) which is an award none gives a shit about. However, he was for sure a top 5 player in Bundesliga last season.
 
Revan said:
That was Aubameyang, with Boateng winning the official award.

Mkhitaryan won some Kicker award I think (same as Kagawa) which is an award none gives a shit about. However, he was for sure a top 5 player in Bundesliga last season.
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You're right, I just searched it up and Mkhitaryan won 3rd place in the player's player of the year. But the official award was awarded by Kicker and the association of German sports journalists to Boateng, with Muller and Lewa coming 2nd and 3rd place (make of that what you will).
But the original post of Mkhitaryan not getting into any top team is surely not right, with him arguably getting into any team in England.
 
@Jim Beam should've specified my point. Both Mata and Mhki are very good players, you can win stuff with them. But they aren't world class players, and if you have a chance to sign one, having them should not stop you from doing it. For example, if you have a chance to sign griezmann, you should sign griezmann, no matter what that means for mkhitaryan and mata. Alexis is a bit different though because i'm not sure him, Zlatan and Martial could all play together, and as i said, you don't bin a talent like Martial after his second season, at 22. Martial has the potential to becone better than alexis
 
@giorno I think that DM position is vital for this team but do agree with you when you put it this way. If Griezmann becomes available and wants to come we should go for him. I would still try to keep Mhki, Martial and Mata in the team though.

Have my doubts about Sanchez also.
 
If i were Mourinho i'd do anything to sign Sanchez. Proven world class player in the EPL several years in a row, and Martial isn't producing at the LW. Sanchez plays that specialist LW role Mourinho likes who can give the team 20 goals a season. It also weakens a rival,who are stupid to not pay him world class money.

Rashford and Martial can be used as cover or loaned. And one of the two can be slowly integrated into a starting role as Zlatan enters his last year. Assuming he doesn't extend and Mourinho doesn't bring in another target man.
 
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Would prefer Griezmann. Doesn't look like we will be getting either
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Mata is a quality player. He's been as good for United as he was for Chelsea. He could fit in to any top team. Even when asked to play as a RW which doesn't suit his traits, he performs to a high level and offers goals/assists.

Mkhitaryan's talent speaks for itself. The goals and assists he contributed last year (11 goals and 15 assists in the league only) backs that up. United are already becoming dependant on him.

I'm sick of posters thinking the grass is always greener on the other side. When Mata played for Chelsea, Mkhitaryan for Dortmund, Pogba for Juve etc. the general consensus was that they were all top, world class players. As soon as they join United... they aren't any good :boring:
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I 100% agree

We can buy Sanchez and Griezmann if the manager doesn't use them in the right way and they start underperforming on the pitch, you can bet your hat that their will be posters on here saying they are not top Quality either.

I still believe our problems are far deeper rooted than player quality. Last year people were saying Chelsea squad was full of obsolete players and they were going to have a major rebuilding job on their hands and had no chance of winning the title and top 4 would be a major success for them. But under the right manager they are cruising to the title.

I'am also 100% certain that our quality of player material is better on virtually all positions right now then when we were coached by Ferguson but just player material doesn't guarantee good football nor does it guarantee results. For that you need a team and I'am sorry to say but that is something our current bunch of players is not, atleast not enough to win the league.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Mata is a quality player. He's been as good for United as he was for Chelsea. He could fit in to any top team. Even when asked to play as a RW which doesn't suit his traits, he performs to a high level and offers goals/assists.

Mkhitaryan's talent speaks for itself. The goals and assists he contributed last year (11 goals and 15 assists in the league only) backs that up. United are already becoming dependant on him.

I'm sick of posters thinking the grass is always greener on the other side. When Mata played for Chelsea, Mkhitaryan for Dortmund, Pogba for Juve etc. the general consensus was that they were all top, world class players. As soon as they join United... they aren't any good :boring:
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Good post. The forum seems full of kneejerk fantasists who seem to think any number of players are fantastic simply because they play elsewhere.
 
redNATION said:
Martial is clearly a superior player to both Sterling and Sane, who are regular starters at City, who will finish second and put 5 past Monaco. Mata is a Champions League winner, and a regular goalscorer. Look at teams who have scored more than us - Lallana? Firmino? Walcott? Giroud? I wouldn't have these players anywhere near our squad, clearly our issue in attack isn't the quality of players. We even had di Maria and Falcao at one point.
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Martial is a good player for us but I wouldn't rate him higher than Sane... definitely above Sterling. We should have gone after Draxler when we had the chance. Explosive winger who could play as a false No.9 when needed.
 
Blue Barrett said:
Massive transfer if we can pull it off. I reckon 40-50m will be able to seal the deal. It'll only be difficult because Arsenal won't fancy selling to us in particular. But we'll see.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...z-no1-summer-transfer-target?CMP=share_btn_tw

I'm sure this "source" was directly from Chelsea. What better way to bury the "Hazard to Madrid" story that's been doing rounds?
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Isn't it possible that Sanchez is seen as a replacement for Hazard?

It's hard to see Arsenal selling to Chelsea but it's obvious Sanchez wants to go. He would've signed a new deal by now if he wanted to stay.
 
According to german news (which quote the spanish sport) Ancelotti wants him to join Bayern. Would make a lot of sense, especially if Costa really leaves.
 
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