Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart

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giorno said:
What? C'mon man...

No he didn't, his first two seasons at dortmund under klopp were pretty bad


He wouldn't displace any of their starters though. As for Gotze, well, when they signed him he was one of the hottest prospects around. Dortmund's best player two years in a row, the future of german football, etc...

He really isn't better than Arda though. Arda is great, same level of players. Great players, not world class stars. You don't win anything if either guy is your best or second best player


If real, :lol::lol::lol:
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Right about Mkhi Dortmund. Thinking of the first season where he was good after and average first quarter.
At Bayern he could displace anyone in the team. Robben is their only in-form player this season. Costa not as good as last season, Müller has been bad and does Ribéry still count? He could definitely start for them. And wasn't he better last season than any Bayern player? At least the other players in the league thought so.

Turan is not the same player as he was for Atlético where he was a key player to their title winning squad. Mostly a defensive squad but as far as attackers go he was their 2nd best after Costa. Mkhi is definitely currently the better player.
 
Snow said:
Right about Mkhi Dortmund. Thinking of the first season where he was good after and average first quarter.
At Bayern he could displace anyone in the team. Robben is their only in-form player this season. Costa not as good as last season, Müller has been bad and does Ribéry still count? He could definitely start for them. And wasn't he better last season than any Bayern player? At least the other players in the league thought so.

Turan is not the same player as he was for Atlético where he was a key player to their title winning squad. Mostly a defensive squad but as far as attackers go he was their 2nd best after Costa. Mkhi is definitely currently the better player.
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No they didn't. Mkhi... ranked third in that voting.
 
I'm not that fussed about whether or not Bayern or PSG rate our transfer targets, as long as they play well for us, and they have.
 
People forget he will be in last year of his contract, We forced a hostile transfer for 24 million for Van persie in his last year of contract. I dont think they will get more than 35 Million for him. For a player in his last year of contract that would be an incredible deal.
I remember united started bidding For RVP at 12 million. Deal was made at 24 million and it eas in same league. I imagine arsenal would sell him to juve for less than selling to city or us or chelsea for more.
 
Snow said:
What the hell is that Bundesliga player of the Year malarkey then? Many awards for the same thing in ol' Germany?
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There's one well respected award, the German footballer of the year. It's voted for by the German sports journalists association and presented by kicker. The last winners were Boateng in 2016, De Bruyne in 2015, Neuer, Reus, Schweinsteiger and Robben the years before that.

Then there's a bunch of rather meaningless awards barely anyone has ever heard of from strange sources and/or through weird votings. At least until United sign a Bundesliga player who won one of those awards and all of a sudden it's used as if it's the real thing. It's not.
 
Snow said:
You don't throw history like United's out because of a few bad years. United are the biggest club in the world, no doubt. Pogba was just some money move? Bullshit. United bid what they thought he was worth. He's the best player in the world in his position despite his age and he's home grown which means a lot for European registration. For United that's worth extra money, for other clubs not so much. Bayern doesn't really need to spend so much because they've got monopoly on the German market and their business model is to make their squad stronger by weakening their opponents. You can't do that in the PL and Barcelona and Real can only do that to some degree because they at least have to always compete with each other.

Mkhitaryan has had one good season? He had one great season, better than any of your players. He was good in the season before that and was consistently good in the CL when he was younger with Shakhtar. Easily stood out in a team with players like Willian, Fernandinho, Srna and your own Douglas Costa. In his final season he scored 25 goals in 29 league games and they progressed from the group slightly behind Juventus and ahead of Chelsea. Got knocked out by finalists Dortmund who then bought him. He'd fit Bayern greatly as he can play anywhere across the midfield. You just went for the wrong player at the time in Götze and fixed it with his former teammate. He'd do well at Barcelona too but obviously you're not going to replace any of your front three and he's way too good to be a bench warmer like Turan.

Zlatan had offers but obviously not every team needs a striker. Only teams that were excpecting to start a player like him are after him. Wenger has been clueless in the market for many years and should have jumped on him. Other teams were good (except for Liverpool but they're not competing for the same players).

To say that United isn't an exciting prospect for players is ludicrous. Recently won a title, in contention for many this season, Mourinho is the manager and the history is the envy of the world.

Oh, and Di Maria joined a club not in Europe, Shaw was the biggest defensive prospect in the country, Martial was bough with a Ballon d'Or clause and Depay turned down Bayern for United (you're welcome).
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I think you hear a lot more about players buying into the 'projects' than 'the clubs history'. I don't think many players signed for United because of what you have achieved, but rather because of what a club with your financial muscle, profile and manager might achieve in the future. If history was so important than players would rather sign for Liverpool rather than City as an example.

Not gonna argue with your post too much, but to me your views seem very 'red-tinted'. Pogba best player in the world at his position? Mhiki easily 'stood out'? (he was good, but sounds like you downplay other equally good players imo). And sure, United is an exciting prospect for many players, but there are many clubs you could say that about.
 
Snow said:
Right about Mkhi Dortmund. Thinking of the first season where he was good after and average first quarter.
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No, he wasn't. He was never good enough for them under Klopp
At Bayern he could displace anyone in the team. Robben is their only in-form player this season. Costa not as good as last season, Müller has been bad and does Ribéry still count? He could definitely start for them.
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And mkhi has been consistently great for you this season? Face it, if they signed him it would've been as a bench player. Which is why they weren't interested

And wasn't he better last season than any Bayern player? At least the other players in the league thought so.
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No he wasn't and no they didn't :D

Turan is not the same player as he was for Atlético where he was a key player to their title winning squad. Mostly a defensive squad but as far as attackers go he was their 2nd best after Costa. Mkhi is definitely currently the better player.
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That's hard to say since arda has played so little for barcelona. Mkhi is not better than the version of arda that played for atletico(where he was their 3rd best attacking player and 4th-7th best player overall)

@Macern whoscored? Really? So do you also believe neymar has been the best player in the world this season?
 
Orc said:
Agree with this post overall but small correction - Luke Shaw didn't choose you over us. He demanded ridiculous wages on top of the stupid transfer fee and we refused to pay it. José himself said as much. We never even bid for him. Likewise, Fabregas didn't really choose us over you guys since I don't think you even bid for him.
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We did it just wasn't the same window, it was the summer before we went in with 40m and he didn't even consider it. With regards to Shaw, wages is still a factor for choosing a club, he could have asked for a realistic wage and gone to you. So far he is the most expensive reserve player of all time.
 
We basically signed Dortmund's best (arguably ) player last season. That is literally Bayerns transfer strategy over the last 5 years.
2 years ago Coman and Costa were Gods gift, now Mikhi would be a bench player behind old men Ribery and Robben as if Bayern aren't clearly crying out to replace them.
Lets move this whole shitshow forward people!
 
kr0nix said:
I'm not that fussed about whether or not Bayern or PSG rate our transfer targets, as long as they play well for us, and they have.
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That's right and the Bayern fans never rate United anyway.
 
cyberman said:
We basically signed Dortmund's best (arguably ) player last season. That is literally Bayerns transfer strategy over the last 5 years.
2 years ago Coman and Costa were Gods gift, now Mikhi would be a bench player behind old men Ribery and Robben as if Bayern aren't clearly crying out to replace them.
Lets move this whole shitshow forward people!
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Bayern have the cockiest fans I've ever seen I wouldn't think too much into it. They think Bayern are Gods gift to earth whilst every other club is horrific. We're all pagans to them.
 
this is why i dont go into the BL thread. their fans are annoying as hell.
 
I thought this thread was about Sanchez and folks would be discussing his rumored move to Juventus?

But then again, like many other threads this place is swarming with opposition fans constantly patting each other on the back and telling us how deluded we are and how United are shit. It's tiresome.
 
Kush said:
I thought this thread was about Sanchez and folks would be discussing his rumored move to Juventus?

But then again, like many other threads this place is swarming with opposition fans constantly patting each other on the back and telling us how deluded we are and how United are shit. It's tiresome.
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Indeed, it's tiring to see rival fans constantly bigging each others' teams up and then try and shit on United, Bayern are way more irrelevant to us than they like to think. No one here particularly cares about Bayern, they play in a one team league and often disappoint in the CL despite their good team.
 
AltiUn said:
Bayern have the cockiest fans I've ever seen I wouldn't think too much into it. They think Bayern are Gods gift to earth whilst every other club is horrific. We're all pagans to them.
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You shouldn't equate fcbforever with us as whole. He's just our version of Twigginator
 
AltiUn said:
Okay then I won't. You are the new standard of Bayern fan for me.
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Picking out single individuals as a measure to define a standard is probably not the best approach. Have you ever been to the City thread? or the Liverpool thread? or the Arsenal thread? Or the Tottenham thread? Or the Chelsea thread?
Not exactly places free of condescension and cockiness in spades from some of your fellow supporters to say the least. Still, I wouldn't be tempted to use these as proof for a general assessment for your fanbase as a whole.
 
2ndTouch said:
Picking out single individuals as a measure to define a standard is probably not the best approach. Have you ever been to the City thread? or the Liverpool thread? or the Arsenal thread? Or the Tottenham thread? Or the Chelsea thread?
Not exactly places free of condescension and cockiness in spades from some of your fellow supporters to say the least. Still, I wouldn't be tempted to use these as proof for a general assessment for your fanbase as a whole.
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To be fair, I once went to a Bayern german forum and it was an awful place. That's when I discovered that some Bayern fans absolutely hate United.
 
Kush said:
I thought this thread was about Sanchez and folks would be discussing his rumored move to Juventus?

But then again, like many other threads this place is swarming with opposition fans constantly patting each other on the back and telling us how deluded we are and how United are shit. It's tiresome.
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Funnily enough i think thats exactly why this place is the best football forum, although Glaston and Spurs mob can get a tad annoying.
 
JPRouve said:
To be fair, I once went to a Bayern german forum and it was an awful place. That's when I discovered that some Bayern fans absolutely hate United.
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Well, '99 was a major butthurt. Some people are bad at handling those.
 
JPRouve said:
To be fair, I once went to a Bayern german forum and it was an awful place. That's when I discovered that some Bayern fans absolutely hate United.
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Tbf I feel like it's a general trend for most people who support other teams to hate United.
 
What fee is being talked about for sanchez? I know the remainder of his contract isn't huge so I wouldn't be shocked if he went for what he came for, around 30 mil.
 
Snow said:
What the hell is that Bundesliga player of the Year malarkey then? Many awards for the same thing in ol' Germany?
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I'm actually confused now. Boateng won the official award, Aubameyang won the award of the VDV (basically the football players union) and Mkhitaryan won in some survey conducted among the bundesliga players by the Kicker.

But back to the topic. I hope Bayern will try to sign Sanchez this summer but i have a feeling that they are going for Özil instead. Which would be a mistake in my opinion.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
What fee is being talked about for sanchez? I know the remainder of his contract isn't huge so I wouldn't be shocked if he went for what he came for, around 30 mil.
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Probably depends on whether or not there will be a 'bidding war', which again would depend on whether or not Sanchez got a strong preference and if he would threaten to see his contract out if he doesn't get a specific move. Interesting situation, and I still wouldn't rule out him signing a new contract with Arsenal since I think they can't really afford to lose him (image more than anything), so they might overpay to keep him (similar to the Rooney situation).
 
hellohello said:
Probably depends on whether or not there will be a 'bidding war', which again would depend on whether or not Sanchez got a strong preference and if he would threaten to see his contract out if he doesn't get a specific move. Interesting situation, and I still wouldn't rule out him signing a new contract with Arsenal since I think they can't really afford to lose him (image more than anything), so they might overpay to keep him (similar to the Rooney situation).
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I don't think they can afford him. Its weird to say as he is obviously still there but I think he commands 300k bare minimum, maybe even higher but with him not being at one of the top two teams he won't get much higher. I can envisage arsenal losing wenger sanchez and ozil this summer, they'd be absolutely fecked if that happens.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
I don't think they can afford him. Its weird to say as he is obviously still there but I think he commands 300k bare minimum, maybe even higher but with him not being at one of the top two teams he won't get much higher. I can envisage arsenal losing wenger sanchez and ozil this summer, they'd be absolutely fecked if that happens.
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Perhaps you're right, I hope Özil stays though.
 
If we did sign him, he'd have to play up top.. I don't think he has the discipline to stay out wide any more. That's why I don't see him coming to United unless Jose could convince him he's better as a wide man.
 
Wenger will drop Sanchez but not Ozil. It's obvious that he's leaving.
 
Sanchez must have told Wenger he wants to leave(or do not want to sign a contract) and I do not blame him. He is too good for Arsenal. Else, it could just be precautionary measure and Sanchez is in the "red zone." Nevertheless, I can see him at Manchester City if he does not go overseas.
 
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