Sanchez at the bridge combining with Hazard and Costa would be insane. I'm not sure any defense in the world could stand up to that.
Which means it won't happen of course..
Which means it won't happen of course..
Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart
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That was certainly the case in the later Fergie years, but hardly true of last summer. We suffered from cautious geriatric syndrome in the past. Luckily Mourinho is 54.
Uhm referring to Bayern here.
And it's certainly still true for us. Renato Sanches and Douglas Costa are just two examples of the top of my head. There are certainly more.
If he moves to another Premier League club next season I think that is the team who wins the league. His quality added to the players that the other 3 potential teams have would be unfair.
He's the perfect Conte player and I think they have matching personalities so would get on well with each other. Would be a dream signing. Arsenal would surely sell for £40m or so if he truly wanted to leave and with his contract situation.
He's the perfect Conte player and I think they have matching personalities so would get on well with each other. Would be a dream signing. Arsenal would surely sell for £40m or so if he truly wanted to leave and with his contract situation.
Disagree with the statement that none of the clubs needed Mkhi, and with PSG signing Draxler a few months later they'd probably agree too.
They would but can't see them selling to another PL team. The van Persie deal along with Cesc moving to Chelsea (via Barca) probably hurts them enough.
Bayern or PSG bound, and both could afford him.
Were they ever even interested though? I know arsenal and juventus were(marginally in juve's case). Anyone else?
You both confuse second rate with bad. He was a 27 year old Armenian with one outstanding Bundesliga season. Hardly the guy big clubs get in line for. Draxler is different, while he's not better, he's waaaay younger.
Yeah, you're almost certainly right. I still hope we test Arsenal, though. Maybe we can turn his head and make him believe this is the best situation for him.
Yeah and you could argue Bayern needed a player like mkhi too considering robben and ribery are getting on now. To call mkhi a second rate player though is just baffling to me, don't understand how anyone can think that.
Second rate means inferior / bad. I don't really understand what point you're trying to make either.
First of all, it doesn't. Unless you want to compare Mhiki to someone like Griezmann and come to the conclusion they are equally desired transfer targets.
Second of all, that's because you did not follow the original discussion.
Someone here took Mhikitaryan as an example for how United can still pull players like they once could when Real/PSG/Barca/Chelsea/Bayern are interested as well. Which is a bit BS in general and even more here, as none of those clubs had any interest in him or could even really have used him.
Mkhitaryan would have been very useful for PSG, Chelsea and Bayern no doubt. You seem to underrate him quite a bit which is weird because you follow the league in which he was the best player last season. I doubt there was a lack of interest - the player himself has said it was his dream move and I think he's a United fan which made it very difficult/impossible for other clubs to buy him once United showed interest.
I generally believe United has the 3rd highest pull, only beaten by RM and (barely) Barca. But it depends on where the player comes from and/or who they support. For instance Pogba obviously chose United when he could've gone to RM/Barca. Seems like Griezmann wants United over any other club as well.
Outside of Barca and Real and maybe Bayern there isn't much between clubs in terms of pulling power. It entirely depends on what the player wants. For instance Ozil chose Arsenal over us, Luke shaw us over Chelsea, fabregas Chelsea over us. These are all debatable I know so take them with a pinch of salt as examples rather than some random response. However outside those three teams it is up to the players preference, for some city they live in will be a big factor, some will prioritise money and some will think about potential trophies. At the minute All things being equal we aren't necessarily a bigger pull than Chelsea, however we have come along in the last couple of years where I feel there isn't a lot arsenal can offer that we can't outside of being a London based team. We had a fantastic window last summer in terms of attracting 3 massive names and players who would have had options galore but that doesn't mean if we go head to head with Chelsea we win by default.
PSG were after Draxler and Schurrle when they failed to convince Neymar.
He wasn't the best player in the league last season and I don't know a single Bayern fan who wanted him last summer either. I also don't remember any rumours about an interest from Bayern. I don't think he had a single decent game against us in his 3 years at Dortmund and way too often showed his weak mentality in tough games, no matter if he was in form or out of form.
I'd love to have Sanchez at Bayern next season, don't care one bit about Mkhitaryan.
Clearly United (and the PL) have more prestige and pulling power than Bayern and their mickey mouse league.
Sorry dude, Second rate does indeed mean inferior or bad. See post from @Attila
and regarding 'pulling power', I understand your point, but I feel it's a bit too complicated to try and simplify different players decisions when joining certain clubs.
I would however say that the thought of United having 'pulling power' close to that of Madrid, Barca etc.. isn't entirely BS.
Who the hell have Bayern bought to be classed in the same pulling power bracket?
Why is him being Armenian worth mentioning? Ibra is Swedish, Gudjohnsen was Icelandic, probably still is come to think of it, and as such their nationalities mean feck all.
Reports in Italy he is close to saying Yes to juve (30 Million to arsenal),I dont mean shit reports by sky italia or tancredi, Barilla is a very reliable Journo in regards to juve. He has various contacts at the club and does not put his name on Bullshit.
If that's true, 30 million is an absolute steal.
That's £25m?! I know that's the reported first bid, but they'll have to increase that massively.
Agree with this post overall but small correction - Luke Shaw didn't choose you over us. He demanded ridiculous wages on top of the stupid transfer fee and we refused to pay it. José himself said as much. We never even bid for him. Likewise, Fabregas didn't really choose us over you guys since I don't think you even bid for him.
Will annoy me to no end if the penny pinching cnuts at Juve get another top player on a discount.
Heh, not really. Sky are by far the most reliable source since their chief of transfer market news is Di Marzio
About the pulling power argument, it's very simple. United are united, they have history, they are universally recognized as a huge club, which means players will always be attracted to them. This separates them from China. Money does the rest. As for wether they more pulling power than other big clubs, that depends. They did on pogba on account of his relationship with the club and the fact they offered him way more money than anyone else. They did on Zlatan on account of Mourinho, money, and his desire to make british journos look stupid. They did on the armenian on account of being his dream move and having easentially no real competition(unleas you'd consider arsenal real competition?). They did on Luke Shaw because they offered him more money than anyone else. They did on Van Persie on account of being united under Fergie...
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Juventus have always sniffed around after him, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Even though the competitiveness of the league has improved a lot this year, Juventus are banked in for the league and should have a respectable outside shot of CL hopes, whilst most of the sides above and around him in the PL are up in the sky a bit as to what next season will hold for them.
Even though the competitiveness of the league has improved a lot this year, Juventus are banked in for the league and should have a respectable outside shot of CL hopes, whilst most of the sides above and around him in the PL are up in the sky a bit as to what next season will hold for them.
I hope he goes to PSG for 55 million pounds. Juve's niggardly approach actually being rewarded and working for them aggravates the corn seeds in my crap.
No I would prefer Arsenal lose him for cheap. I also had to google niggardly
Neuer, Hummels, Lewandowski, Vidal, Sanches?
They kept Ribery and Robben for almost 10 years and only sold one star (Kroos) in the last 25 or so years.
Because certain nationalities tend to increase a players value because of marketing possibilities. Don't try to throw racism at me now.
Useful? Maybe. Possible first team material? Surely not. Was there any interest? No.
The initial argument was broader, but some people picked that Mhikytarian part out for .... reasons.
Seriously, let it die or go back to the initial argument!
No I would prefer Arsenal lose him for cheap. I also had to google niggardly
Yeah, I'm going to avoid using that word. Seems like an accident waiting to happen.
Are you an arsenal fan? Because honestly, if their niggardly approach keeps getting rewarded, perhaps other clubs should look to hire Marotta and Paratici themselves, no?
we actually did go for paratici last summer but he's tied to marotta too closely. To get him, it seems you have to convince marotta as well. Would be worth it given their track record at juve and sampdoria[who they got into CL playoffs]I remember them badly wanting to keep Hargreaves.
If there were rumours there was probably interest aswell no?
from 2015
http://www.tf1.fr/tf1/telefoot/news/mercato-henrikh-mkhitaryan-viseur-psg-9318505.html
https://armenpress.am/eng/news/830773/psg-offered-mkhitaryan-an-annual-salary-of-€-7-million-bild.html
summer 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-Dortmund-midfielder-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan.html
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And even before he joined BVB there was probably interest from other clubs since he apparently rejected Liverpool
You can find some paper rumours for every player to any club. Was there anything serious? STILL not the point of the original argument by the way.
You don't throw history like United's out because of a few bad years. United are the biggest club in the world, no doubt. Pogba was just some money move? Bullshit. United bid what they thought he was worth. He's the best player in the world in his position despite his age and he's home grown which means a lot for European registration. For United that's worth extra money, for other clubs not so much. Bayern doesn't really need to spend so much because they've got monopoly on the German market and their business model is to make their squad stronger by weakening their opponents. You can't do that in the PL and Barcelona and Real can only do that to some degree because they at least have to always compete with each other.
Mkhitaryan has had one good season? He had one great season, better than any of your players. He was good in the season before that and was consistently good in the CL when he was younger with Shakhtar. Easily stood out in a team with players like Willian, Fernandinho, Srna and your own Douglas Costa. In his final season he scored 25 goals in 29 league games and they progressed from the group slightly behind Juventus and ahead of Chelsea. Got knocked out by finalists Dortmund who then bought him. He'd fit Bayern greatly as he can play anywhere across the midfield. You just went for the wrong player at the time in Götze and fixed it with his former teammate. He'd do well at Barcelona too but obviously you're not going to replace any of your front three and he's way too good to be a bench warmer like Turan.
Zlatan had offers but obviously not every team needs a striker. Only teams that were excpecting to start a player like him are after him. Wenger has been clueless in the market for many years and should have jumped on him. Other teams were good (except for Liverpool but they're not competing for the same players).
To say that United isn't an exciting prospect for players is ludicrous. Recently won a title, in contention for many this season, Mourinho is the manager and the history is the envy of the world.
Oh, and Di Maria joined a club not in Europe, Shaw was the biggest defensive prospect in the country, Martial was bough with a Ballon d'Or clause and Depay turned down Bayern for United (you're welcome).
They sign great players but the rules they are judging Pogba etc on should also apply to Bayern as well.
It's not as if Bayern are beating all these major clubs to Coman / Alonso / Douglas etc.
Even the likes of Thiago are bought when moves to other clubs break down and they swoop in
What? C'mon man...
No he didn't, his first two seasons at dortmund under klopp were pretty bad
He wouldn't displace any of their starters though. As for Gotze, well, when they signed him he was one of the hottest prospects around. Dortmund's best player two years in a row, the future of german football, etc...
He really isn't better than Arda though. Arda is great, same level of players. Great players, not world class stars. You don't win anything if either guy is your best or second best player
If real,
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