Alexandre Lacazette

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I'm at a bit of a loss over this one, two years ago everyone on here was desperate for us to sign him. What's changed?

That's what I want to know. He was better than Harry Kane two years ago!! Now with more goals unders his belt, he's Meh.
 
Last time people asked this we exploded with goals coming from everywhere. Good omen :D

I think much of it should come from a better settled and balanced side. In a three Pogba will have more freedom not only to score but assist more. Our frontline this season has often been very static. People complained about Zlatan slowing us down, but Martial's off the ball movement is really poor as well. Mkhitaryan never seemed to find his best game except when having space and being able to combine with someone like Mata. Rooney... well...

Our frontline never quite settled or found a winning formula. I expect Mourinho will have worked out what's wrong and needs changing and that alone will result in more goals. What is abundantly clear though is we don't have a clinical frontman. I don't think Lukaku is it (not for a dominant side facing parked buses and his first touch), don't know if Bellotti is, this chap looks like it though.

Hmmm, I asked that question last summer.:nervous:
 
In 2009-10 he did and he was superb.

Aguero is even shorter but never had problems leading the line. Suarez is roughly the same height, Gabriel Jesus is 5.7 feet.
I'm talking about playing as a lone striker without a #10 behind. Whoever United buy up front will be quite isolated because we aren't playing with a #10 and with at least one wide winger assuming Perisic is brought in.
 
The only issue I have with him is that he's 1,75m tall and I'm not sure how he's going to perform as a lone striker against PL defenders. He'll certainly score goals, but I imagine Lukaku being even more threatening.

He's strong like an ox and not a slouch.. so pretty sure he can manage. Not every striker in the league is a giant. Lol
 
Lacazette will be successful...probably not in a Mourinho team. He isnt a physical striker, he is a technical striker.

The way Lacazette plays, it looks like he plans out his movements and link-up play. He is quite good with the ball at his feet, but that means he needs numbers around him to work off of. A Mourinho striker needs to be instinctual and score goals from difficult situations by himself, to be the final piece in a team movement rather than being a key figure of the build-up play.

I would prefer Belotti and Lukaku because they are physical monsters; they dont need to have a good touch to get past 2 defenders, they just bulldoze past them and blast it into the net. They are both a better fit for the system.
Which is what Zlatan was, and the hordes were complaining he was slowing down our play.

The caf seems to be caught in two minds here.
 
He's strong like an ox and not a slouch.. so pretty sure he can manage. Not every striker in the league is a giant. Lol
He's strong to be 1,75m tall, but playing as a lone striker in a PL side without a #10 to interchange with requires something else. He's not guaranteed to adapt perfectly.
 
Very good point that.

Torres, Aguero, Falcao, Costa, Griezmann (sort of)
Torres came out of their academy. You forgot Forlan

But also? Their last 3 seasons: Mandzukic(sold after 1 season because he wasn't prolific enough), Torres, Jackson Martinez(:lol:), Gameiro. There's a reason they keep failing to score enough goals and are in the market for a striker every summer...
 
Which is what Zlatan was, and the hordes were complaining he was slowing down our play.

The caf seems to be caught in two minds here.

Zlatan is a special player that has both the physical and technical attributes to play in any team. He does no need players around him to score; he can score out of nothing and does so regularly. But, he can also play with others around him and makes others around him better. I am not one of the 'blessing in disguise' crew. Zlatan is a huge miss for us and will cost us a fortune this season since we have to get a replacement.
 
He's strong to be 1,75m tall, but playing as a lone striker in a PL side without a #10 to interchange with requires something else. He's not guaranteed to adapt perfectly.

Who said we won't be playing with a number 10. What was all the Griezmann talk about? He's played the majority of his Lyon career as the 9 of a 3 man attack. I really don't see the problem.
 
Ligue 1 is a physical league with a lot of big strong defenders. He might be a success or he might not be but, it is not going to be because he is not tall enough or something.
 
Ligue 1 is a physical league with a lot of big strong defenders. He might be a success or he might not be but, it is not going to be because he is not tall enough or something.

Plus probably the league with the most fastest defenders.
 
Ligue 1 is a physical league with a lot of big strong defenders. He might be a success or he might not be but, it is not going to be because he is not tall enough or something.

According to players the Ligue 1 is:
- Physical.
- Less intense than the PL but more intense than the Serie A.
- Less tactical than the Serie A but more tactical than the PL.
- Less experienced than all the big leagues.
 
I watched a compilation and most of Mbappe's goals were tap ins. On the other hand Lacazette all looked like good finishes.

We need a master of the tap-in.
All season we were crying out for a fox in the box, because nobody knew how to score those easy chances.
Before Ibra was injured, we were creating huge numbers of chances, so chance creation isn't really an issue. Finishing is our problem and Mbappe is statistically one of (if not) the best finisher in Europe.
 
We need a master of the tap-in.
All season we were crying out for a fox in the box, because nobody knew how to score those easy chances.
Before Ibra was injured, we were creating huge numbers of chances, so chance creation isn't really an issue. Finishing is our problem and Mbappe is statistically one of (if not) the best finisher in Europe.
Ibra was our best creator together with Pogba during that spell when we were creating a lot of goal scoring chances though.
 
Who said we won't be playing with a number 10. What was all the Griezmann talk about? He's played the majority of his Lyon career as the 9 of a 3 man attack. I really don't see the problem.
Mourinho is far too cautious to build a team with a #10 and Pogba/Herrera in a two man midfield. It could work against weaker teams but definitely not against most PL teams. Not enough balance in that setup and Pogba is undoubtedly best playing on the left hand side of a midfield triangle pointing downwards. Midfield should be built around him.
 
I'm at a bit of a loss over this one, two years ago everyone on here was desperate for us to sign him. What's changed?

That's what I want to know. He was better than Harry Kane two years ago!! Now with more goals unders his belt, he's Meh.

Come on guys, it's really not that hard at all.

Two years ago LVG was the manager, now it's Mourinho. That's what's changed. Mourinho likes beefy #9s with good hold up play... for a reason. It's not hard at all to envision Lacazette struggling up top for Man Utd the way Mourinho uses his #9s. Is it, now?
 
Come on guys, it's really not that hard at all.

Two years ago LVG was the manager, now it's Mourinho. That's what's changed. Mourinho likes beefy #9s with good hold up play... for a reason. It's not hard at all to envision Lacazette struggling up top for Man Utd the way Mourinho uses his #9s. Is it, now?

Lacazette IS a number 9 with good hold up play, he might not be 6'4 but he's very good at holding the ball up, his movement is also better than anything we have, by some distance
 
If Jose's ideal no. 9 is a big lump who you can hoof the ball up to, then yeah Lacazette doesn't fit that mold. I'll argue that if that's what Jose is looking for, our play will be dour and we're fecked for goals next year no matter who we sign. But Lacazette is a pure striker with solid link up play and the ability to both hold the ball up reasonably well and make runs in behind, with good scoring numbers. I didn't watch him every week this year, but I did catch far more Ligue 1 than usual and he was quietly impressive whenever I watched him. He'd be a good addition to the side.
 
Mkhitaryan-----lacarazette/martial--------perisic
--------------------------'lukaku/rashford-----------------
 
Mourinho is far too cautious to build a team with a #10 and Pogba/Herrera in a two man midfield. It could work against weaker teams but definitely not against most PL teams. Not enough balance in that setup and Pogba is undoubtedly best playing on the left hand side of a midfield triangle pointing downwards. Midfield should be built around him.

He's been doing that the majority of the season mate. So he's not against it we just looked over run doing it.
 
Lacazette must be one of the biggest names I can barely even remember watching. Still.... a striker signed by Atletico that they then cant sign, cnat be a bad thing as like keepers they seem to keep signing great ones all the time.
 
Come on guys, it's really not that hard at all.

Two years ago LVG was the manager, now it's Mourinho. That's what's changed. Mourinho likes beefy #9s with good hold up play... for a reason. It's not hard at all to envision Lacazette struggling up top for Man Utd the way Mourinho uses his #9s. Is it, now?

Diego Costa and Drogba. Two big guys! Other than them two his striker have been pretty much mobile I would hardly ever have called them target men. Benzema is really just tall and Higuain has grown into that type of player.
 
Lacazette must be one of the biggest names I can barely even remember watching. Still.... a striker signed by Atletico that they then cant sign, cnat be a bad thing as like keepers they seem to keep signing great ones all the time.

Seems to be common misconception, let's look at the facts

Aguero I'll give you
Forlan was already tearing it up in La Liga
Falcao was signed for huge money after tearing it up for Porto

Those since Torres (lol), Mandzukic (flopped)

Lacazette strikes me as the type of backup striker Jose has bought during his previous clubs like Remy for example
 
For 50 Million euros, I'd take him. I've always rated him and don't understand the negativity towards him. He's not a world class player but a good striker with good technique and seemingly a good conversion rate.

This is from 2015 but still telling, especially since he basically confirmed his conversation rate in 2016/17.
 
Just subbed on for France against Paraguay with 17+stoppage remaining. Giroud scored a hat-trick.

Edit: Assisted Sissoko straight away.
 
If he's that good why on earth is Giroud starting ahead of him?

Not convinced.
 
If Jose's ideal no. 9 is a big lump who you can hoof the ball up to, then yeah Lacazette doesn't fit that mold. I'll argue that if that's what Jose is looking for, our play will be dour and we're fecked for goals next year no matter who we sign. But Lacazette is a pure striker with solid link up play and the ability to both hold the ball up reasonably well and make runs in behind, with good scoring numbers. I didn't watch him every week this year, but I did catch far more Ligue 1 than usual and he was quietly impressive whenever I watched him. He'd be a good addition to the side.

Its not that often that Mourinho turns to this tactic. "Hoofing the ball up the field". We actually had more possession than Chelsea this season.

However, against possession-based, high-pressing teams its a good solution, and if we can handle City, Spurs and Liverpool as effectively as Ajax by deploying this tactic I'm fine with that. And in these types of games we might as well use Fellaini as we did against Ajax. Fellaini was brilliant against Ajax. And he was brilliant for Everton when they played the "long hoof-ball" against us. When you play him like that he is almost unplayable.

But should we buy a striker just for that purpose and these games? If there was a complete centre forward out there available for us? Sure! A Milito, a Costa or a Drogba would be a nobrainer. But should we buy Lukaku for £100 mill if we can get a better player for £50 mill?
 
Its not that often that Mourinho turns to this tactic. "Hoofing the ball up the field". We actually had more possession than Chelsea this season.

However, against possession-based, high-pressing teams its a good solution, and if we can handle City, Spurs and Liverpool as effectively as Ajax by deploying this tactic I'm fine with that. And in these types of games we might as well use Fellaini as we did against Ajax. Fellaini was brilliant against Ajax. And he was brilliant for Everton when they played the "long hoof-ball" against us. When you play him like that he is almost unplayable.

But should we buy a striker just for that purpose and these games? If there was a complete centre forward out there available for us? Sure! A Milito, a Costa or a Drogba would be a nobrainer. But should we buy Lukaku for £100 mill if we can get a better player for £50 mill?

I don't know if you're agreeing with me here or taking issue with my post to be honest...but from your last paragraph it seems like you agree with my premise, i.e. Lacazette would do well for us and possesses a lot of no. 9 skills and instincts while being more versatile than a "traditional" out and out centre forward.
 
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Yup. AG will sign a new contract, and Lacazette will turn us down and sign for Madrid knowing he can't play until next year.
 
So either we're getting both or he's off to Madrid
So what he's done is make us all hard by hiking his dress up his thigh, beckoning us over to him, only to ruthlessly leave us high and dry with a raging boner than needs urgent attention, and now he's proceeded to seduce our Plan B and is effectively dry humping her in plain view of us on the pool table in the middle of the bar. Thanks Antoine you cockmuncher!
 
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