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Alexandre Lacazette
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Looks like a welcome to Atletico kind of tweet to me. Lacazette has been heavily linked to Atletico while the Griezmann deal is obviously dead.
Control yourself dude, was Pogba's picture with Griezmann a welcome to United tweet? Christ.
Welcome in 12 months' time?
Given it seems like a big reason that Griezmann is staying is Atletico receiving a transfer ban, they will do well to sign Lacazette. I'd suggest it's just him posting a picture of him celebrating with an international team mate, nothing more.
Don't think we were in for him. Lacazette has been heavily linked to Atletico for weeks now and there is no way any player will sit out for months for Atletico if Manchester United wanted him
Do you write the Agony Aunt stories for the Sunday Sport?
I'm not a big fan of Lacazette so not really bothered, just my two cents
At least this meltdown is producing some quality stuff, intentional or not.Busted! And was it your mum or your sister you were attracted to?! I forget!
Tagline boobs man, tagline boobsBusted! And was it your mum or your sister you were attracted to?! I forget!
Don't know if your being serious or not?
Nope, he's been playing with Carrick or Herrera at CDM
Erm because Deschamps is stupid? He chose Gignac over Lacazette too. He refuses to pick Benzema. He wants a big target man.
Yeah, I'm sold on him. I really want us to sign him.
Why did dinosaurs like Scott Parker & Gareth Barry start ahead of Michael Carrick for the 3 Lions?
Giroud starting ahead of him means nothing. Some managers prefer some certain players. Lacazette is miles better than Giroud.
What are you talking about?
Chelsea: Drogba, Costa
Real: Benzema
Inter: Ibrahimovic, Milito
Who are these mobile #9s he played with since his Porto days 15 years ago?
Tbf, the Benzema thing is over that whole blackmail scandal.
They were ALL mobile strikers
That statement alone implies we have a vastly different understanding of the term.
Neither of them were stationary target men. They constantly moved all across the final third and(aside from Milito) were very involved in the build up from midfield. Zlatan was always a #10 in the body of a CF
Target men are not stationary either. They are not pillars, they are footballers. Hence the term "mobile" can be really misconstrued.
My definition of a mobile forward is one the relies on acceleration/pace, movement and making many runs behind the defence in order to get on the end of passes. Saha, Chicharito and Rooney in his younger years were these types of players for us. For opposition players, look at Sanchez, Aguero, Mertens etc.
The closest any of the players on the list above come to that is perhaps Benzema and still he isn't that. The rest relied more on strength and intelligence than pace, running and movement.
As far as Ibra being a #10 in a CF's body, I don't disagree completely, but there are different types of #10s. Riquelme was a #10 and Ronaldiho was a #10. Entirely different style of play and strengths.
Benni McCarthy, Hernan Crespo, Kezeman, Eto'o, Ba, Benzema (he is not a target man), Higaiun.
That's a big list.
Even got that donkey emmanuel Adebayor on loan just to have a target man.
You realise the shortest player on that list is Eto'o at 180cm (5' 11") and Lacazette is (5'9") 175cm, right? And Eto'o was not even played as a #9 by JM, he played behind/around Milito at Inter and Torres at Chelsea.
Also, most of them are not good examples at all. Crespo and Kezman lasted only a year. Ba barely two. All of them failures.
Higuain and Benzema might not be target men as such but one is 6'1/2" (183cm) and the other is 6' 2" (187cm) they are the tallest of that bunch and both of them offer very good hold up play. The former is more of a finisher/poacher and the other is also quick and a dribbler, but both have a physicality about them. Lacazette is same size as Griezmann, I'm not sure he can offer what Higuain and Benzema do.
For what it's worth Milito isn't particularly tall or strong, he was very mobile, his entire game was about movement. For Mourinho Milito and Eto'o would switch seamlessly.
Rooney is 5.9, Jose tried to sign him for Chelsea.
You can't be a top striker just by being tall or strong. Milito was a lethal finisher and very intelligent footballer. His movement was good too, but he wasn't relying on pace. Same way Ibra's movement is good but he does not rely on pace.
Milito is 183cm and he was offering pretty good hold up play and a very decent aerial presence. I remember he scored the first goal in the CL final against Bayern by first winning an aerial duel against a CB after hoofed ball. Lacazette is 175cm, he can't do that. There's a big difference.
And what tells you he'd be a success for a Mourinho managed Chelsea team? Or that he'd play as a solo striker?
I'm not sure about your point, why are you talking about pace?
I guess I'm not sure about yours either, why are you not talking about pace? That was essentially the subject of discussion.
No, the subject was mobility or I missed something. You are the only one talking about pace, everyone else told you that those players have one thing in common, they are mobile. Some are really powerful, others are pacy, others are very good technically but they all have in common the quality of their movement and they are all team oriented.
Yeah but you are wrong, pace has nothing to do with being mobile. Mobile forwards are forwards that are involved in more phases than goalscoring, for example Berbatov. The term target man is overused in the first place because like sweepers or true stoppers, target man are a rare breed nowadays, it is for the likes of Zigic and Koller, in recent time someone like Raul Garcia was used like a target man by Simeone, Tim Cahill too.
I don't know whether he would have been success or not but Jose prefers physically strong and tall players is myth. Jose preferred 5.9 Rooney who wasn't physically strong like Drogba or Costa but Jose had no hesitation in making many bids for Rooney.
So Jose prefers X kind or Y kind of player is just overplaying it.
I disagree. You don't have to be a 2m-tall 100kg-heavy behemoth to be a target man. Like Zigic or Koller. That's your definition or perhaps an archaic definition of the word. Being capable of playing with back to goal, strong enough to hold off a CB and capable of winning a share of aerial duels is mostly the modern definition of it.
Everybody moves in modern football, mobility is a thing even for CBs never mind forwards. Being mobile is a comparative term to the rest of the team or opposition, you have to be more mobile than them, or more mobile than the average player, to classed as mobile. Otherwise strictly speaking unless you're tied to a post you are mobile.
I literally mentioned Tim Cahill and that's your response?
Yes?
I didn't mention size, I talked about role. Which is why I mentioned Tim Cahill and Raul Garcia who aren't behemoth or particularly tall but they are extremely good in the air and have been used as target men.
The second part doesn't go against what I said, mobile strikers are very common in football, the other common type is poachers while target men are rare.
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