Alexandre Lacazette

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antohan said:
This is getting annoying.

Both scored feck all last season, how could anyone even contemplate solving our lack of goals by banking on them?
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Exactly. We scored 50 goals last season in the league and that includes Ibras 20. That means we need to make up at least 40/50 extra goals next season (presuming we need around 70/80 in the league to be competitive). Rashford and Martial between them probably only scored 10 in the league if that. How do people think they're suddenly going to get 40 more goals in just one season.

We desperately need 2 20+ goal a season players or 1 20+ goal striker and one very creative winger/no 10 behind him
 
Castia said:
I watched the Lyon semi final against Ajax and he was on the bench why is that? Also he can't get in the French squad ahead of Giroud which is concerning as feck.

I've not seen much of him lately but he's got a decent goal record at least.
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He was coming back from injury.
 
OohAahMartial said:
I'm up for this transfer because
A) it will piss off Atletico
B) it will piss off Griezmann
C) he's actually a better finisher than Griezmann
D) Atletico have revealed his reasonable non-United tax price
E) his club had already agreed to sell
F) he his great technique and silky link up play
G) it would encourage a better style of play
H) he's proven to score a lot of goals every season

Still fancy Mbappe, mind.
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Why A & B?
 
antohan said:
This is getting annoying.

Both scored feck all last season, how could anyone even contemplate solving our lack of goals by banking on them?
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Romanticism. Some people are so desperate to see youngsters succeed that they'd gamble our season on it.

I don't understand it tbh. If they're good enough they'll get their chance and one day become starters. But to suggest we should just stick them up front next season after the season they've just had is reckless and quite frankly stupid.
 
andersj said:
Fun fact:

Lacazette has 56 goals the past three seasons in Ligue 1 excluding penalties. Excluding penalties, this gives him a conversion rate of 22,5 % (25 % this year). To compare, Harry Kane, excluding penalties, has a conversion rate of 17,83 % the last three years in the PL. And he has been extraordinary. Some might point to Ligue 1 being poor, but even Zlatan did not manage to have a better conversion rate in Ligue 1. During his three last years in Ligue 1 he had a conversion rate (ex pen) of 20,13 %.

I would argue that his conversion rate is insane. I would also argue that we could need a good finisher.
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Got me excited, the truck load of chances we missed were incredible to see. Just what we need in front of the goal.
 
He's the best option available at a reasonable price . Let's not overthink this. He will be very good for us and improve the way this team plays.
 
Saf94 said:
Exactly. We scored 50 goals last season in the league and that includes Ibras 20. That means we need to make up at least 40/50 extra goals next season (presuming we need around 70/80 in the league to be competitive). Rashford and Martial between them probably only scored 10 in the league if that. How do people think they're suddenly going to get 40 more goals in just one season.

We desperately need 2 20+ goal a season players or 1 20+ goal striker and one very creative winger/no 10 behind him
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I'd expect Pogba to chip in more, more so in a trio, but that would be at the detriment of your #10.

I wouldn't mind Lacazette-Fabinho-Perisic. The question then would be who works in tandem with Valencia on the right. I wouldn't mind Rashford there actually.

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Doesn't look as shiny as some would want, but that would be a bloody good team.
 
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ottosec said:
Averages around 30 goals/season in the last 4 years, he's clearly a very good striker.
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Yes, but according to Caf experts, the French league isn't very good.
And apparantly that doesn't really matter when it's about Mbappe or even Zlatan.

Pavl3n said:
Can't we hijack him under AM's nose?
Between him, Lukaku and Belottti, I think he's the best and the cheapest option.
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It is a good alternative, and we can use money to strenghten other parts of the team.
 
Depay can score from the half way line in France, Giroud looked amazing too, premier league is a much higher standard. I'm not sure about the french Darren Bent.
 
antohan said:
I'd expect Pogba to chip in more, more so in a trio, but that would be at the detriment of your #10.

I wouldn't mind Lacazette-Fabinho-Perisic. The question then would be who works in tandem with Valencia on the right. I wouldn't mind Rashford there actually.

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Doesn't look as shiny as some would want, but that would be a bloody good team.
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Looks good to me. Though I think you might be rushing Rojo back a little too soon.
 
Jaxdan said:
Looks good to me. Though I think you might be rushing Rojo back a little too soon.
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I'm buggered if I know which CB we will sign, but I'd be happy with that once Rojo is back. Stick Tuanzebe there in the meantime if you wish, or Blind. I'm not too fussed as we should be pretty rock solid with that midfield protecting them and David staying.
 
antohan said:
This is getting annoying.

Both scored feck all last season, how could anyone even contemplate solving our lack of goals by banking on them?
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I hardly think they were given a run centrally in the team when Zlatan was fit. They did when we'd given up on the league and were playing patchy teams. Both Martial and Rashford would cost more than 50 mil if they were available so why are they seen as inferior players to Lacazette, a guy who has yet to be proven at the highest level.
 
I'm at a bit of a loss over this one, two years ago everyone on here was desperate for us to sign him. What's changed?
 
antohan said:
I'm buggered if I know which CB we will sign, but I'd be happy with that once Rojo is back. Stick Tuanzebe there in the meantime if you wish, or Blind. I'm not too fussed as we should be pretty rock solid with that midfield protecting them and David staying.
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This. I really liked what little we saw out of him. The sky is the limit for him.
 
Acole9 said:
I'm at a bit of a loss over this one, two years ago everyone on here was desperate for us to sign him. What's changed?
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There are a few players with fancier names. We failed to sign Griezmann, Neymar, Mbappe, Silva and Mendy in a bit more than a week since the end of the season so most of people here think our transfer window is a complete disaster, Woodward is clueless and City will win treble next year.
 
Acole9 said:
I'm at a bit of a loss over this one, two years ago everyone on here was desperate for us to sign him. What's changed?
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Well, he has improved a lot and is nearing his peak but is still playing in France which somehow has become something negative in the Caf.
Also we were just set to buy the Ballon D'Or winner, if there was no Messi or Ronaldo, just for it to come down 24 hours ago.
 
Butty19 said:
I hardly think they were given a run centrally in the team when Zlatan was fit. They did when we'd given up on the league and were playing patchy teams. Both Martial and Rashford would cost more than 50 mil if they were available so why are they seen as inferior players to Lacazette, a guy who has yet to be proven at the highest level.
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Rashford stunk up Stockholm, no patchy team excuse. I've said a few times now, I'm not sure he is even a #9 as most of his best work seems to be outside the box (crosses, shooting from range, free kicks, etc). At no point during the season has he looked even remotely clinical enough to be our starting #9.

Martial has been god awful bar 1/2 games. He had a good debut season but I don't really see how he should cost anyone more than 50M after the season he just had.
 
Georgan said:
Well, he has improved a lot and is nearing his peak but is still playing in France which somehow has become something negative in the Caf.
Also we were just set to buy the Ballon D'Or winner, if there was no Messi or Ronaldo, just for it to come down 24 hours ago.
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That's a bit unfair, Lacazette would have won the Ballon D'Or too, if no one was above him.:p
 
Georgan said:
Well, he has improved a lot and is nearing his peak but is still playing in France which somehow has become something negative in the Caf.
Also we were just set to buy the Ballon D'Or winner, if there was no Messi or Ronaldo, just for it to come down 24 hours ago.
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"Isn't proven at the highest level"

Enter Dembele moving from France to Dortmund...

"Why weren't we in for him! He is the second coming!"

It's always the same people writing both.
 
antohan said:
I'd expect Pogba to chip in more, more so in a trio, but that would be at the detriment of your #10.

I wouldn't mind Lacazette-Fabinho-Perisic. The question then would be who works in tandem with Valencia on the right. I wouldn't mind Rashford there actually.

Doesn't look as shiny as some would want, but that would be a bloody good team.
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Pogba has never scored more than 10 goals in his career though right? He's not really a prolific goal scorer, neither is Perisic or Rashford (yet). I really think we need way more than just 1 new goalscoring attacker. Unless we bought in a world class creator, just one new striker would make me desperately nervous. Ibra was one of the best yet we still badly struggled with goals, now if we replace him we might get his goals back but where is the rest of the goals we need coming from?

Rashford is too young to be depended upon, we really need someone else there imo and rotate Rashford in while he develops. Griezmann would have been perfect but unfortunately that won't happen. It depresses me to think of another season like last where we struggle scoring more than 1 goal in a game
 
He seems to be able to kick the ball well. Which, while not as important as other traits like being 'Premier League Proven,' is still useful in this sport.
 
Saf94 said:
Pogba has never scored more than 10 goals in his career though right? He's not really a prolific goal scorer, neither is Perisic or Rashford (yet). I really think we need way more than just 1 new goalscoring attacker. Unless we bought in a world class creator, just one new striker would make me desperately nervous. Ibra was one of the best yet we still badly struggled with goals, now if we replace him we might get his goals back but where is the rest of the goals we need coming from?

Rashford is too young to be depended upon, we really need someone else there imo and rotate Rashford in while he develops. Griezmann would have been perfect but unfortunately that won't happen. It depresses me to think of another season like last where we struggle scoring more than 1 goal in a game
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Last time people asked this we exploded with goals coming from everywhere. Good omen :D

I think much of it should come from a better settled and balanced side. In a three Pogba will have more freedom not only to score but assist more. Our frontline this season has often been very static. People complained about Zlatan slowing us down, but Martial's off the ball movement is really poor as well. Mkhitaryan never seemed to find his best game except when having space and being able to combine with someone like Mata. Rooney... well...

Our frontline never quite settled or found a winning formula. I expect Mourinho will have worked out what's wrong and needs changing and that alone will result in more goals. What is abundantly clear though is we don't have a clinical frontman. I don't think Lukaku is it (not for a dominant side facing parked buses and his first touch), don't know if Bellotti is, this chap looks like it though.
 
andersj said:
Fun fact:

Lacazette has 56 goals the past three seasons in Ligue 1 excluding penalties. Excluding penalties, this gives him a conversion rate of 22,5 % (25 % this year). To compare, Harry Kane, excluding penalties, has a conversion rate of 17,83 % the last three years in the PL. And he has been extraordinary. Some might point to Ligue 1 being poor, but even Zlatan did not manage to have a better conversion rate in Ligue 1. During his three last years in Ligue 1 he had a conversion rate (ex pen) of 20,13 %.

I would argue that his conversion rate is insane. I would also argue that we could need a good finisher.
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That conversion rate is seriously good, looks like the perfect player for us and we could get him for cheap too instead of chasing players like Belotti, Lukaku, Mbappe or Morata who would cost more than 70 million.
 
The only issue I have with him is that he's 1,75m tall and I'm not sure how he's going to perform as a lone striker against PL defenders. He'll certainly score goals, but I imagine Lukaku being even more threatening.
 
I'm sold on him now.

My concern is that Jose won't rate him due to his size (being 5'9) perhaps thinking he's too small to lead the line.

Mourinho traditionally likes big strikers in stature (hence the Lukaku and Belotti links) but I don't see it being an issue at all. He's built and strong. Also we've seen with other players (Silva, Hazard, Kante, Sanchez etc) that you don't need height to be successful in the PL.
 
antohan said:
I'd expect Pogba to chip in more, more so in a trio, but that would be at the detriment of your #10.

I wouldn't mind Lacazette-Fabinho-Perisic. The question then would be who works in tandem with Valencia on the right. I wouldn't mind Rashford there actually.
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Mkhi would be better than Rashford there, Rashford is an ST.
 
pocco said:
The mere fact that Atletico wanted him makes you think he could be a good signing. They're shit hot at signing strikers.
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Very good point that.

Torres, Aguero, Falcao, Costa, Griezmann (sort of)
 
SachinJ22 said:
Mkhi would be better than Rashford there, Rashford is an ST.
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I'm not convinced he is, as mentioned elsewhere.

Mkhi has struggled to link up well, he excelled doing that on the fly, advancing through acres of space in Germany. His game isn't very compatible with Valencia's stop/start "who blinks first" showdowns tbh. I'd sooner play Mata there, but think Rashford may well be able to pull back and help with buildup or turn into a second striker alongside Lacazette when we advance down the left.
 
I've just watched his best skills and goals video on youtube, I have to say he reminds me of Defoe.

Not just in his size and appearance, but the fact his finishing is emphatic but he doesn't strike me as an imposing striker.
 
I would choose him ahead of the other options. Would also be the cheapest.
 
Macern said:
The only issue I have with him is that he's 1,75m tall and I'm not sure how he's going to perform as a lone striker against PL defenders. He'll certainly score goals, but I imagine Lukaku being even more threatening.
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Rooney is also 5.9 as per google, same as Lacazetta.
 
Am i the only one who cant care less what athletico and griezmann think?
 
Macern said:
Rooney has never played much as a lone striker though.
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In 2009-10 he did and he was superb.

Aguero is even shorter but never had problems leading the line. Suarez is roughly the same height, Gabriel Jesus is 5.7 feet.
 
Utd7 said:
I'm sold on him now.

My concern is that Jose won't rate him due to his size (being 5'9) perhaps thinking he's too small to lead the line.

Mourinho traditionally likes big strikers in stature (hence the Lukaku and Belotti links) but I don't see it being an issue at all. He's built and strong. Also we've seen with other players (Silva, Hazard, Kante, Sanchez etc) that you don't need height to be successful in the PL.
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Lacazette will be successful...probably not in a Mourinho team. He isnt a physical striker, he is a technical striker.

The way Lacazette plays, it looks like he plans out his movements and link-up play. He is quite good with the ball at his feet, but that means he needs numbers around him to work off of. A Mourinho striker needs to be instinctual and score goals from difficult situations by himself, to be the final piece in a team movement rather than being a key figure of the build-up play.

I would prefer Belotti and Lukaku because they are physical monsters; they dont need to have a good touch to get past 2 defenders, they just bulldoze past them and blast it into the net. They are both a better fit for the system.
 
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