yep. 95% of us have no idea how much self-belief is required at that level so it is tough for us to even comprehend the thought process.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
yep. 95% of us have no idea how much self-belief is required at that level so it is tough for us to even comprehend the thought process.
Besides, Song could easily play in defence for a team like Barcelona. He's young enough to work on his defensive abilities and positioning and Barca could do with a ball-playing defender like him.
Local press confirming Barcelona has put in a €15 million bid for the Gunner
15m isn't nearly enough, can't see it happening. He wouldn't even get a game.
Why would Barca need him?
Barca want him; need is a strong word.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/robin-van-persie-manchester-united-1261379
Van Persie I can understand given his contract situation but if that article is to be believed, why are they considering selling Song, never mind at the low fees being mentioned?
Wenger flatly denied it, he's not going anywhere.
Cross usually knows what's going on, doesn't he? Or is this all agent-led contract negotiation?
Cross is occasionally ITK, often not.
Basically, Song has 3 years to go, he's a top player, and if we are to lose RVP, there's no way we're letting him go too, especially not for £15m. It would take a massive bid for us even to consider it, and probably Song himself to insinuate he'd like to go.
Wenger must be getting a cut on these deals, he's selling everyone.
There was talk somewhere that he had already agreed terms with Barca a couple of weeks ago. Can't think where I saw it. Sounds like Barca though, chat to the player know he wants to come and then low ball and wait for the player to cry for a few months then sign em up for peanuts.
What age is song now anyway? Surely they'd be wanting at least 25 to 30 mil for him he's a tidy fecker. Breaks up play well is good on the ball and as we saw last season put in some cracking balls for RVP
What age is song now anyway? Surely they'd be wanting at least 25 to 30 mil for him he's a tidy fecker. Breaks up play well is good on the ball and as we saw last season put in some cracking balls for RVP
30 million for Song? You're probably talking in pounds as well. What's wrong with you?
What's he worth? (2 years left on his contract)
Circa £20m I'd say. Quality player.
Age wise and with the overinflated as feck market that we have nowadays think joe Allen and fletcher. FFS were supposedly buying a 29 yr old with a poor injury record in the last year of his contract for 20 odd million blips. feck player of the year etc it's a rip off and everyone knows it.
It's actually three years left on his contract, by the way, contrary to reports. Song, for me, is worth around £25m.
€15m is a joke, in fairness. Disrespectful even.
Wiki says he's 24. I'd definitely have him in that price bracket. His hair has a lot to be desired.
About right.
Wolves have apparently rejected a new bid of over £12m for Fletcher. Kind of puts todays transfer market into perspective. Also, see Henderson, Allen, etc - Song is a far superior player to either of those.
He signed a new long-term contract in 2009 and has 2 years remaining.
Of six years, yes.
I'd say that's a fair valuation.
It's supposed to be an initial bid. The actual targeted fee should be around € 18 - € 20 million.
Mascherano: € 22 million
Khedira: € 14 million
Özil: € 18 million
Reus: € 17 million
Sahin: € 10 million
Kagawa: € 16 million
Cazorla: around € 20 million
Please explain why Song doesn't belong in the same price bracket as these midfielders.
Strange then, because the story has changed. John Cross started it saying it was 3 years last week and then it was confirmed by Wenger in a press conference abroad.
All of those players wanted to leave their respected clubs at that time didn't they? So it's no surprise they'd have been a bit lower.
Not followed this so no idea if Song wants to leave or not but if he doesn't then it's no surprise that they would hold out for £25 million +
Not followed this so no idea if Song wants to leave or not but if he doesn't then it's no surprise that they would hold out for £25 million +
Ironically as you're chasing RVP, Song is actually the player who would improve you the most.
"We were together on vacation. He [Song] would like to go to Barcelona, any player would like to. Barcelona are not one of the best in the world, but the best," Kameni told Cope Catalunya.
"[Song would] fit in at Barcelona," he continued. "He has all the features to play there. We all know what kind of player Barcelona like and he is one of them."
"He is like Yaya Toure, but with much more mobility. He is very mobile but can also pass well. He is a complete player."
"He is a hard worker and is very versatile, which makes him a very good team player."
His Cameroon teammate.
Fergie taking his best player is sending him senile.
I've been thinking that for as long as the speculation about RVP has been going on, he's developed into an excellent player over the last two or three years.
Feels very much like a deal is going to be made soon
Yea definitely. Cost difference wouldn't be big either. Difference is RvP has said he wanted to leave where as Song hasn't.
RAC1 is quite trustworthy normally, so I'll leave this here ...
They sell Song to you on the cheap, and haggle over a million for Van Persie with us. Arsenal's policy makes no sense at all. Sell all their good players, buy some more, rinse and repeat. They will never compete if they keep selling.
Well. Here are my thoughts.
Song is much much much easier to replace than van Persie. For € 18 million Wenger can buy M'Vila or Capoue (I don't know why Barcelona isn't going for Capoue tbh, but maybe it's funnier WUMing Arsenal). He also seems to be interested in Sahin. With Wilshere coming back, with the purchase of Cazorla (record signing) and with Arteta being one of their best players last season, I don't think Wenger himself sees Song as a necessity in midfield. For all the good dribbles and assists Song produced last season, he did leave a lot to be desired positionally. I don't think he's an out-and-out defensive midfielder. As a midfield allrounder and squad player like Keita he might do a good job however. Whereas Arsenal might be better of getting a proper defensive midfielder.
As for van Persie. Well. You are league rivals and you don't like each other if I'm not mistaken. At least the Arsenal Mania guys are raging about a possible RvP move to United. So I can understand why Wenger is refusing to even talk with you guys about van Persie.
2/7 players had their buyout clauses reached (well, to within 500k euros anyways) so I don't see how having a buyout clause lower than your 'market' value means that they ought to be valued that little. Several clubs would've (and probably did) meet their buyout clauses and I'm sure they would've been sold for more had they not had a buyout clause / one of say 100 million.
3 out of the remaining 5 had just 1 year left on their contract and had refused contract extensions, and thus would have a far reduced market value relating to Song, who has 2 years left.
1 out of the remaining 2 have a club which needed to sell him this window because they are financially fecked; even a relegated club wouldn't sell with this much impunity (Malaga)!
Only Mascherano you can relate to Song; and the market's moved on since then (as well as club revenues, TV deals etc). Anyways, 22 million euros isn't far from what people are valuing Song at; which is around 30-33 million euros.
I don't see how RvP can be had for 18-25 million quid, (depending on where he's going) and Song for just 12-15 million quid.
Arsenal are a club that don't 'need' to sell Song this year, they can offer CL football, they've been his club since 17 (on loan, and 18 permanently), giving him good wages at the moment probably, and are still a big club. Conversely, selling him this year would mean they can get a higher fee, and please the player if he wants to go; but to my knowledge he hasn't refused any contract extension at present; all those players you listed didn't want to extend their contract with their club at the time, and most had just 1 year left or had their buyout clauses met.
Song doesn't have a buyout clause (or a low one, anyways), and Arsenal can still convince him, and have at least the next 6 months to convince him to do so whilst still getting a big fee from him.
15 million is criminally undervaluing him for todays market; even 15 million quid is rather on the low side. I think him and Sahin for anything under 20 million quid is an invitation for us to pick up 2 very good players. I know I'd rather get Song (or Sahin) than RvP for 20 million quid. Heck, get both Song and RvP with the '40 million net spend' we're allowed, and sell Berbatov who wouldn't get a look in at all next season.
Are they really selling Song? That too with barely any fuss?
He's one of their best players. Its 2 steps forward 10 steps back for Arsenal this summer if they sell Song and Van Persie.
He's one of their best players. Its 2 steps forward 10 steps back for Arsenal this summer if they sell Song and Van Persie.