Alex Sandro
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What are you expected him to do as a left back? Do a Messi? If you can't see his quality then there's no point further discussion. I didn't watch the vid but i believe there's not much difference between the dozens available.
I get it that many don't even bother with a youtube highlight compilation. But I don't think that any reasonably football fan can claim he's limited in attack after watching any of his videos for 30 seconds.
Having a player with the ability to take on opposition is invaluable for a top team. Sandro has the composure, balance, technique, vision and decision making to provide that and more. He's just in another level from any fullback in the club.
Firstly, that video didn't help much.
Secondly there are other left backs who look more devastating in attack.
I get it that many don't even bother with a youtube highlight compilation. But I don't think that any reasonably football fan can claim he's limited in attack after watching any of his videos for 30 seconds.
Having a player with the ability to take on opposition is invaluable for a top team. Sandro has the composure, balance, technique, vision and decision making to provide that and more. He's just in another level from any fullback in the club.
Hope you are being sarcastic
, whoever made this video was clearly trying to make people hate this guy with those first 30 seconds. Underwhelming video, Valencia's highlight video would be several times better than thatSo Sandro went from being close to world class to "do not want" in about 3 days. You guys!
The Internet era man, can't do anything about it.
This place was absolutely obsessed with him a year ago. I suppose one season is a long time in football.
Have you ever asked why Tierney hasn't yet made the move to a bigger club yet? He's 20, he's been around for quite some time now and scouts might have been all over him by now. Yet he's still at Celtic. Luke Shaw made his big move at 18 surely Tierney could do the same.
Now no one knows exactly why but here's some educated guesses
a- he might not be good enough. Scouts are not infallible but unlike us they are professionals in the job. They should be in a better position then us to deduce whether a player can make it in a higher league or not
b- he doesn't want to move elsewhere. Some players are like that and to be fair I can't blame them. At 20 he's better off at Celtic then rotting on some big club's bench
c- Celtic might be asking ridiculous money for him which is fair enough since they don't need to sell but it doesn't represent value for a club like ours to spend 40m+ on a player who plays championship level football week in week out
Don't get me wrong I am not against the boy. If he's good enough then maybe we should get them both as I am sick and tired watching Shaw and Young doing an utter mess on the left rear flank. However don't compare Tierney with Sandro they are on a different world right now. The latter is a proven player at his prime, he had won top honours and he played against some of the top sides in the world. The former is still learning his trade. That's one hell of a difference which Tierney might or might not be able to bridge. For every Ole (Molde), Keane (Nottingham Forest) and Johnsen (Besiktas) there's a Shaw, a Foster and a Zaha who simply do not.
Regarding Sandro's unhappiness....well.....Juventus might have won their 7th league in a row but things aren't perfect in paradise. Juventus had been losing prestigeous pieces along the way and hasn't been replacing them adequately. Ribalta has left, followed by Pogba. The money generated by the latter were spent on Higuaín which in my opinion was a lazy and short sighted signing and goes completely out of Juventus nature. Buffon and Marchisio are at the door and will probably be replaced by Szczęsny and Emre Can who are far from world beaters and there are dark clouds surrounding Dybala's and Allegri's future. Some attribute all this misery to Conte breathing at Allegri's neck . Imagine how things would be at OT if Mourinho wins the EPL title with us only for SAF to turn up asking for his old job back. However the usually brutally effective Juventus machine who would sell stars for ridiculously high prices only to be replaced by equally good young players on cheap look sluggish, lazy and inefficient.
Who said they wouldn't want him?
He's had a poorer season against the high benchmark we pegged him against. That obviously cause reservation.
No I've never wondered why he hasn't moved yet, as he is 20 and a Celtic academy graduate who is playing for the club he idolizes. It might turn his head if United or likewise come in for him, but just because he hasn't moved by 20 years of age doesn't concern me. I don't understand the obsession with age on the Cafe, so because he is 20 someone should have signed him from Celtic? Or because Shaw moved at 18 so should have Tierney?
Re your points;
Yes, scouts are the professionals but they have also been up here watching Tierney, which suggests they might like the look of him. And you're right he might not want to move, but that's not the reason posters are dismissing him on here, they are doing so because he's Scottish / playing for Celtic in the Scottish league. And regarding cost, I'm not so sure he would command anything ridiculous. Maybe around 20 million but in this day an age I don't find that OTT.
And to be fair, I didn't compare the players. I said right at the start of my series of posts that posters might prefer Sandro which is fair enough. It's the fact posters were putting Tierney down as a laughable option that I was defending Tierney for, I didn't compare the players or their abilities.
We are trying to win the league and topple a team that got 100 points. Yet some jokers are telling me we should sign some 20 year old from the Scottish league who's not guaranteed to be ahead of Young.
I get it that many don't even bother with a youtube highlight compilation. But I don't think that any reasonably football fan can claim he's limited in attack after watching any of his videos for 30 seconds.
Having a player with the ability to take on opposition is invaluable for a top team. Sandro has the composure, balance, technique, vision and decision making to provide that and more. He's just in another level from any fullback in the club.
The first 30 seconds were just clips of his face. Will get a vitamin D deficiency in England with that skin tone. Do not want.
I would be lying if I said I watched Juve a bunch this year, but when I did watch them in the Championship League I thought Sandro looked clear levels above our FBs in his stamina, work rate, ability on the ball and effectiveness in attack. He's also well versed in playing wingback as well which is another bonus in signing him as it gives us more tactical flexibility.
Darmian was brought in 3 years ago after being in the Serie A team of the season the last two seasons and putting in a man of the match performance for Italy against England. Most Redcafe members where absolutely delighted about signing this solid right-back that they had seen on Youtube videos. Three years later, we bring in an older left back from the same league, that has one team of the season nomination from last year but has been in and out of the Juventus starting 11 this season. Why would the signing of Alex Sandro turn out better than Darmian?
Fellaini was brought in after single-handedly winning games for Everton against us and being one of the better central midfielders in the league. Fellaini and Darmian are both brilliant footballers that where absolutely ruined by Manchester United. Milinkovic-Savic and Alex Sandro are both world-class players, but there is absolutely no guarantee that they will succeed in Manchester United. If we bring them in this summer, most of the Caf would probably be slaughtering them as the worst footballers of all time and demand that they are being replaced by some 200 million kid they have only seen on Youtube videos.
I don't know anything about Sandro or SMS, I've seen Sandro play maybe four times and he didn't stand out, but that's no basis to make a judgement. I've never seen SMS. You could very well be correct about them.
I don't care anything about Darmian's career before coming here - he's the most timid, lame, useless full-back I've seen at this club. If he was a "brilliant footballer" before coming here then he's gone through an unprecedented transformation.
Fellaini has never been a brilliant footballer, and certainly never close to being one of the best CMs in the league. He has certain specific uses, none of which are of particular value in central midfield.
Marcos Alonso and Salah never made it to team of the season in Serie A, yet instantly set the PL on fire. There’s a reason Juve bought Sandro for more money from Porto than Darmian cost United, despite the latter being in the team of the season. Obviously success is never guaranteed when buying a player, but the two are worlds apart in quality.
Wes Morgan and Vardy made team of the season 2016, yet big teams avoided buying them for good reason. This is why you actually need to scout players.
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Non point anyway, he’s staying at Celtic next season.
He's been playing like a man who wants to leave. At his best, he's very good.
So signing the best player from your strongest rival is a lazy and short sighted signing?
that team that that got 100 points played Fabian Delph as their left back for a good chunk of the season due to injury to Mendy. Think about that.....
They didnt have much weaknesses in other parts of the team and they didnt do it because they wanted to
He's still young enough to make a move, however he's been around for quite some time now. Usually big clubs prefer to buy young players early and to blood them in a tougher league then the Scottish one. Such move is usually necessary as kids need to be challenged so they can progress to the next level. The fact that Tierney had remained in Celtic for so long can be explained in many ways.
a- he simply doesn't want to move
b- Celtic is asking crazy money for him
c- he is simply not good enough
Neither option is desirable at United.
Sandro wants to leave Juventus, Darmian wants to leave United, we need a LB and they need a replacement for Sandro.
We've been trying to sort the defence problems with kids ever since Gaz was showing signs of wear and tear. the twins, Evans and Jones (with support from Smalling) should have sorted the defense issue for the next decade or so. Then Fabio failed and we brought Shaw, Jones became a crock and we brought in Lindelof. Nothing seem working. I can't really blame Mourinho for wanting a proven player now.
Sandro is a LB, Darmian is a RB (and not very good) - how is that something Juventus desires?
Juventus has ended up becoming the richest club in Italy but its more of the others around them failing big time rather then them becoming rich. The old lady has always kept itself on top mainly for its ability to let players go at the right time to then spot a promising kid from miles ahead. When they sold Baggio everyone thought they lost it as there's no way some kid from Padova could pick up the pieces. This trick kept working time and time again with them selling Zidane to replace him with the likes of Thuram, Buffon etc. They worked that same magic with Pogba which made us look like idiots and were at a whisker away from nicking Angel Gomes from us too. That's typical Juventus for you.
Higuian signing goes against that. They spent 90m euros on a striker at the wrong end of his 20s who seem to take as much care of his body as our own Wayne Rooney. Sure by doing so they weakened Napoli just enough for them to win the league again as they always do. However with so many stars at the wrong end of their career (Buffon, Chiellini, Barzagli and Marchisio), I think that they could have invested the money in a far wiser way.
Darmian can play as both LWB and RWB. In my opinion Juventus are overrating him tbh as he won't be able to replace Sandro adequately. However he's still rated in Italy hence why he's a regular Italian international
If you ask me, United should allow the move quickly and keep their mouth shut. Lets seal the deal before they notice how crap he is.
As I said before, he is literally 20 years old. A player who is only 20 who has made over 120 appearances for his club already is pretty good going, and he has more than plenty of time to decide what he wants to do in his career. I understand what you mean, but surely 20 years of age is still young?
I think the reason he has stayed so long is because he loves playing for Celtic and they are his team, and he has not entertained the idea of leaving as of yet. That is something to be applauded imo, that he shows loyalty and desire to stay at the side he supports. As I said before too, United scouts have came up and watched him a few times according to reports during this season, so if true United obviously think he is a player.
I don't want to keep going off topic as this is the Sandro thread, and I don't think we will sign Tierney anyway. The argument I was making was all to do with the way the lad was being dismissed so easily as a daft idea because of who he is and who he plays for. That's all. If we sign Sandro, then great, whatever. I just would like to see people not be as dismissive in future because of who a player plays for and where he comes from.
Thanks for the support, I though I am the only one who can stay reserved about a player but with every new name mentioned in the papers it will be the same. We have money and we need players for that positions we will simply be linked and the more time passes people will more lose their patience and will like to sign someone, anyone who "must be better than what we have". Actually would be funny to look up the Darmian transfer thread, I remember so many people saying he's a definitely upgrade on Rafael, great classic italian fullback. I remember even at that time, I haven't seen him play much and watched some highlights and he looked extremely underwhelming, yet people would call him new Zambrotta or whatever.
In the same regard I remember I wasn't too much impressed with Martial who look very promising but too inconsistent, in the end he arrived and his dribbling was much better than I was expecting but in reality he really hit the ground running under LVG and had a great season, I haven't seen him doing that past couple of seasons, he looks like he's still very raw at times and exactly something I expected from a young player with a view of improvement.. Don't see much in Sandro's game and much room for improvement, in fact he like everyone confired already regressed this season and big question mark if he can get back to his "best". Also let's see if someone make 8 minute compilation of Young and LAV, there won't be a significant difference while two of our fullbacks this season played in a defensive set up and Tony V even all alone on his side.
Just hope Mou will make a good decision but it will be a long summer
He's not even in Brazil's World Cup squad!
Fabinho isn't either, doesn't make them bad players or not worth signing.
No surprises there. Marcelo is one of the LB GOATs while Luis is a more defensive minded fullback. Looks like a reasonable tactical decision .
Rafael never used to be either but he was pretty good for us through the years.
People who don't think he's good enough for us actually deserve to see Young as a main LB for another season tbh. 
We won't find anyone better than him for this position.
We won't find anyone better than him for this position.
People who don't think he's good enough for us actually deserve to see Young as a main LB for another season tbh.
We won't find anyone better than him for this position.
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People who are not necessarily sold on him don't automatically qualify as those who want Young as our main LB, far from it in fact. We badly need a new LB.People who don't think he's good enough for us actually deserve to see Young as a main LB for another season tbh.
We won't find anyone better than him for this position.
I just honestly feel his lack of pace and level of physicality around here will be too much to handle for him and given his performance levels he clearly wasn't a stand out at anything. Someone also mentioned his fragile mentality well as if we needed any more of those.
Give better options worldwide than him.
That surprises me given Alves is out.
Are there really many people who don't want Sandro? I haven't noticed.
The lack of available quality left backs out there, makes this guy potentially our most important signing. Those suggesting he is not good enough, please feel free to suggest different players (who are in fact 'available'). I remember when Chelsea were linked with him in January, I was shitting myself as I realised there is no clear candidate out there for us for that left back position.