who is vvd?
Alex Sandro
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who is vvd?
Many people would say he was better than Marcelo last season. But lets face it, he is awful for months now and those who only watched him this season are right to be negative.
Current most expensive defender. Asking that question though then I figure the answer for your previous question.
Van djik, the scouse cnut
Apologies but I honestly didn't made 1+1 together.
Van Dijk isn't really a scottish league product though isn't he? He was signed from Groningen were he played 50 games+ there
Yeah but Tierny is a right proper lad with pashun, hungah, and desiah and plays in the mighty Scottish league, whereas Sandro is just a lazy Johnny foreigner with a fancy name or something.."Captain of Celtic"
Why do we always seem to underrate our own players, while collectively deciding that players most people have only seen on Youtube videos are suddenly world class? To be fair to Darmian, he is a better defender than Alex Sandro and is more versatile (can play both right and left back as well as central defender in a back 3). The likes of Darmian, Blind and Fellaini would dominate in a team that fully utilizes their strengths. The truth is that Alex Sandro is overall a slight upgrade to Darmian, and Milinkovic-Savic is a slight upgrade to Fellaini. However, their abilities fits our style of play better than the players we have now, so it is fair to believe that they would improve our starting 11.
Clearly we should try a player-swap. Maybe throw in 10m to sweeten the deal.
Sandro is better defensively and he can actually play across all the flank. Darmian on the other hand is a wingback. He tend to struggle as a fullback and i cant remember him doing well as CB
You wont find many fans underrating the likes of Matic or DDG simply because their talent is quite evident for everyone to see. Having said that you wont find the likes of Blind or Fellaini at a top side simply because they aren't good enough. Darmian might end up at Juventus though. There again their transfer strategy in the past 2 years for far from impressive
Savic/sandro are far more then slight upgrades to fellaini/darmian. The former are top talent, the latter are squad members at best
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You're asking for a miracle, buddy. Some on here just like to be football hipsters just for the sake of it.
John O'Shea. Best everything-except-striker in the business.
This is possibly the funniest post i've seen on Redcafe all year. Good job!.
Maybe some do underrate our own players, but you certainly overrate them massively
Does look like quality pretty much every time i have seen him play.
Since the window opens on thursday, could he theoretically be part of the squad on Saturday?.
Since the window opens on thursday, could he theoretically be part of the squad on Saturday?.
You must be wumming.
Fair enough if people would rather get Sandro, each to their own. But to see the way a Scottish player is being dismissed as a laughable option, because he is fecking Scottish, by some posters is mental.
Darmian is the worst full-back I've seen watching United for over 25 years. I can think of maybe a couple of CMs worse than Fellaini in that time. Sandro and SMS must be quite abysmal.
I know very little about him but throughout the year there seems to be a big transfer rumour around when and falling out with the manager, i'd imagine that's why he was not at the races. Whereas the 2 seasons previous (from what I read) he was world class.
Off the pitch things usually affect players. I could be wrong, though.
Which Scottish player?
Kieran Tierney at Celtic.
Only foreign players (outside the UK & Ireland) are technically gifted, didn't you know?
Only foreign players (outside the UK & Ireland) are technically gifted, didn't you know?
True, that did slip my mind like
So he is the Brazilan Jardim then. I didn't told you that Jorge was benched for Raggi, who I love but come on.
Well, the Scottish league isn't exactly a high standard of football, and if we want to compete on all fronts for every trophy then an experienced high level fullback is needed more than another prospect.
Assuming that Sandro is truly a higher calibre player than Tierney of course. It's not Tierneys fault that he's in the Scottish league, he can only shine in whatever games he's given.
One is 7 years younger than the other so it could be experience being the decisive factor, but I'm not ruling out a players quality just because he comes from Scotland. That would be laughable.
No it's not a high standard but why is that a sleight on Tierney? I have watched him play a lot for the last few years as I live near Parkhead and my brother is a Celtic fan, I have been very impressed by him, and I think he could be a great signing. Just because he plays in Scotland should have no bearing on his ability.
Exactly.
I really despair when I read a post like this, Tierney has won young player of the year three times in a row, captained Scotland at senior level at 20 and has played CL and EL football since he was 17, not to mention being versatile and reported to have a great mentality, this is exactly the type of player we should be signing, but you've written him off because he plays in Scotland! As this is the Alex Sandro thread I take it you would prefer a flashy Brazilian who has basically downed tools for the season because he want's to leave.
Maybe it doesn't have a bearing on his ability, but he is unproven outside of that league. Sandro is more proven and at 27 is in his prime. Tierney could very well be a good signing for us but we need players who can deliver right now and when one of the world's best fullbacks is available it should be a no brainer.
Nobody is claiming it's Tierney's fault but he is inexperienced and plays in an inferior league in which the team he plays for absolutely dominates everyone else.
So the problem with that is due to the low quality of the opposition, he may appear much better than he actually is. Whereas Sandro on the other hand is much more proven quality,much more if a sure shot.
Sandro has more experience obviously but more than that currently he is a better footballer and could find it easier to fit into the PL than Tierney.
Also what happens if Tierney fails to adapt to the PL? Our manager is not very good at developing young players, he would probably bench Tierney and play Ashley Young the whole season,do we really want that?
I'll be happy to see us buy a promising young CM and an experienced CM because even if the young guy fails to adapt, we have enough cover. But that's not the case with our FBs. If our next LB signing flops, we would have spend about 60-70 million on LB alone and still would have to persist with a 33 year old winger Young!
Yes he is unproven outside of Scotland, but for his age he already has bags of experience. He's only 20, has made over 120 appearances for Celtic despite an injury in 2016-17 season that kept him out for 2 months, featured in the Champions League this campaign and the Europa League previously. He has captained Celtic as well as Scotland too, and again all by 20 years old. PFA and SFWA Young player of the Year 3 times in a row including this season, and yes, while that is in Scotland, it highlights the lad's ability. He has more experience that some people realize I think. Finally, while people say 'oh well he plays for Celtic and they batter everyone anyway' that might be true, but Tierney is still playing consistently in his position for a massive club that has 60,000 fans in it's stadium every week. That's no mean feat either, certainly not at 20 years old.
Again, fair enough if posters would rather sign Sandro as everyone is entitled to their opinion. And fair enough @Hawks2008 if that is who you would rather sign too. It just annoys me to see a young lad like Tierney dismissed by posters so easily due to his nationality and which league he is playing in.
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As long as he's willing to accept a position in the squad which means he'll play 25-50% of the games for the first season or two, I'm all for it. But I'm just against signing youngsters where the hype-machine means they expect to start every game. This is my one issue with Martial and Rashford. They have bags of potential, but they're around 20 years old, they have to bide their time. You can't tell me that if they shoot the lights out in training and reserves and show the correct attitude that Mourinho won't start them.
More chance of discovering pink unicorns..!!
Even if we signed someone like Messi for example, some would say "he's too old, he's too expensive, he doesn't track back, blah, blah, blah"
Everyone has an opinion, and it would be a dull life if they were all the same
I wouldn't expect him to start all the time, you're right. By all accounts he is very grounded and works his backside off all the time in training so I would expect that Tierney would appreciate having to graft to get his chance in the first place, then graft harder to keep the slot. That's how every player should be working, all the time working to maintain they stay in the side and I expect that's what he would do.
I'd agree with this if Sandro is the player you claim,but I'm guessing you haven't seen much of him this year? Going by Juventus fan opinion, Sandro has been extremely underwhelming this season, which is a big worry when you're throwing insane cash levels for a full back.
From the times I've seen he's solid but nothing spectacular, will probably give 7/10 performances every week without being a dominant LB. Can he adjust to the pace of EPL too?
From the little I've seen of him I don't think I like him, solid in defence and limited in attack, like Valencia. Perfect for Jose.
I get it that many don't even bother with a youtube highlight compilation. But I don't think that any reasonably football fan can claim he's limited in attack after watching any of his videos for 30 seconds.
Having a player with the ability to take on opposition is invaluable for a top team. Sandro has the composure, balance, technique, vision and decision making to provide that and more. He's just in another level from any fullback in the club.
I think you're speaking sense. 90% of people in here talk nonsense saying they have watched every player on earth for 10 hours every season. Just impossible. Young is underrated as he is unfashionable and sandro had a poor season in a dominant team in a far easier league. Fair play for saying the tough things. Half of the posters here probably said it was impossible for van gaal and then mourinho to finish outside the top 4, that we were missing out on renato sanches based on the 30 games they had watched of him, and that schniederlin and schweinsteiger was the best transfer window in United's history
I get it that many don't even bother with a youtube highlight compilation. But I don't think that any reasonably football fan can claim he's limited in attack after watching any of his videos for 30 seconds.
Having a player with the ability to take on opposition is invaluable for a top team. Sandro has the composure, balance, technique, vision and decision making to provide that and more. He's just in another level from any fullback in the club.
If this video was supposed to make him look good then I fear for him here. He also looks slow and not really physically imposing - won't get away with many episodes seen in that video in the EPL.