for those who criticise Tierneys lack of experience consider Andy Robertson who didn't really light up that Hull team the way Sessingnon has Fulham. Who would have thought he'd be one of the form players going into a Champions League final
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Robertson is playing well and everything but feck me we would need higher quality than Andy to compete with City.
I think Young has been one of the best LB in the league this year, top 3/4 but we need more than that.
So because Robertson somewhat succeeded we should sign any kid and pray to God he'll be as successful ?
Definitely two big upgrades on anything else we’ve got in those two positions so only positive steps forward there, fully fit I’d say Alderweireld is a top 10 in the world centre back and Sandro is a top 5 in the world left back.
Bertrand played for Chelsea in the champions league final. A long way to go before Robertson becomes anything special.
Again, giving one or 2 examples doesn't mean that any kid we'll get in this place will turn to CL final team. It's like wishful thinking "it succeeded in one or 2 occasions so let's try it ourselves" while we have one of the best LBs in the world available and at the perfect age (not old so that people doesn't mean) I don't understand this logic.
Sandro is a better player but Tierney is excellent and would be a brilliant alternative at a cheaper price at a younger age.
If we had Sandro I’d still be up for signing Tierney but our budget will be required elsewhere unfortunately.
Plus as much as it’s not fashionable we really do need a few older heads in this team. Once we have them and we are stable we then will have a better environment to bleed youngsters into the team. Rashford Martial and Adnan all are expected to produce every week here when that’s just not realistic.
This Sandro vs Tierney thing is tiring, which makes me wonder, why not buying both of them? We basically have no LBs and we're supposed to compete on three fronts. Sandro is a 27 year old proven talent whose great in moving forward with the ball. Tierney is a young player who wouldn't mind spending 2-3 years as a cover/competitor up until Sandro starts showing signs of wear and tear and both will get their fair share of games. Tierney can also be deployed as a RB while Sandro can be deployed on the left flank if needed. That gives us plenty of options.
We should sell Young, Shaw and Darmian, then add Tierney, Sandro and Mitchell to the team.
We should sell Young, Shaw and Darmian, then add Tierney, Sandro and Mitchell to the team.
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Tierney is hungry for games and rightly so.
It wouldn't be a bad idea but obviously Jose loves Young
I have a feeling Tierney won't move unless he's sure he'll be starting. It wouldn't make sense to when your captain of the team you support and so young, just to up sticks to sit on a bench. He could continue at Celtic for couple of seasons before a few people will probably clamouring for him.
We don't have the money to buy two LBs when we need almost half a team of first team players.
Tierney would cost 25-30 mill and we know if Jose likes a player, especially one he bought for big bucks, he will keep playing him as long as he can.
This would mean Tierney sitting on the bench a lot
dont think hes captain, but there is no way he's moving from Celtic to be anything but a starter, the kids loves Celtic, i aint even sure he would move at this current time. playing every week for the club he loves winning trophys and getting to play in the CL. what is he 19/20ish ?
Nobody worried that Sandro hasn’t made the Brazil World Cup squad ?
No. He's not better than Marcelo (who is?!).
Not very indicative to be honest since he's had a poor late half-season + rumours and all. He wouldnt play much anyway considering they have the best fullback in the world in Marcelo on that side + a decent Filipe Luis. Coach probably thought Luis would be a better complement as a defensive option.
First of all we don't know the limit of our budget. Secondly we don't know how much money Celtic will be asking for the boy. Thirdly if you ignore the Neymars, the Pogbas and the SMS the biggest expense this days are not the fees but the salary. I can't see Tierney asking for a ridiculous salary. We're talking here of a 20 year old playing in the Scottish league here.
Well then he's better off were he is, playing Championship level football, that's because no top club can guarantee him first team football. At United he'll be few miles away from home, at a team that value youth talent, who won't moan and groan in increasing his salary if its justified (or if you're Lingard) and that has quite a positive history in developing British players. He'll have 1 competitor for the left rear flank and 1 competitor at the right rear flank, the latter already showing plenty of wear and tear.
There's not many better clubs to move to then here. The Spanish/Italian clubs aren't that accommodating especially with British players who tend to struggle learning different languages. The Italians are still laughing at Ian Rush till this very day.
Still it wouldn't be that much of a problem for Tierney. He's 20 FFS and he can play in two positions that United lack quality in. His competition would be Sandro (whose can play as a LW) and some makeshift wingers at the end of their careers.
In my opinion Tierney's biggest concern shouldn't come from the 'competition' he'll get with United but the jump in terms of quality he'll need to do to play in the EPL/Spanish Liga/Serie A/French league. He's 20 and he has always played in the Scottish football. There's a teeny weeny difference between marking Windrass and Boyd and marking the likes of Hazard, Salah, Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar or Insigne. He'll need a club that protects him and understand his culture while not adding more burden on him such as learning a new language or adapting to a far less physical football were yellow cards are handled like toffees.
Ah yeah, Scott brown is! how could i forget about that horrible bastard. Yeah exactly, but say the opportunity came to replace a LB at a club immediately, I think he could be swayed with that argument. I don't think that will come this year mind you. Yeah, he's only 20, 21 in june. He has plenty of time on his side.
Like @Murray3007 says, he still gets to play CL football, so it's not going to stunt his development staying there. I think we're going to sign Sandro, so I can't see him wanting to play second fiddle to a very experienced LB who won't miss many games. I think if we got him and kept Shaw, the two could battle it out quite nicely.
Don't get me wrong I agree here would be great for his development, I was just questioning whether he would want to come if he was aware we were buying another LB in Sandro.
During the treble season Philip Neville played 29 games while Nicky Butt played 33 games. That's while competing against the likes of Gary Neville, Denis Irwin and Roy Keane. Tierney will compete against far weaker opposition then that in a league were fatigue is becoming more of a problem.
Easy there, I'm not making the calls there
I disagree. Its one thing having to turn up for 3-4 games every year and its another facing quality opposition week in week out. Tierney needs to move and he needs to do it now. If he thinks that there's a top club who will just sign some 20 year old from a third rated league and make him a crucial first team player from day 1 then he's deluded at best. He'll be facing competition irrespective were he moves.
Now he either sign with a club like ours whose got a long history in developing kids and a serious full back problem or else he stays were he is and play Motherwell and Patrick Thistle week in week out.
Easy there, I'm not making the calls there
Apologies if it sounded aggressive. It wasn't meant to be like that.
He's only 20/21 though, he doesn't need to move just yet. One more season, being consistent and also the creaking LBs of other teams will be a year older and he'll have more options. I'm not saying he necessarily thinks that he SHOULD be starting, I'm just saying that would probably be the only thing that makes him move this window. I just think a move like VVD did to Southampton, where there is far less competition for a first team place at the time they bought him, is a feasible and more sensible move than straight to United aged 21 from the Scottish Prem.
You suggested he be up against Alex Sandro? If you’re suggesting Mourinho would bring him in to get minutes in midfield too, I think you’re way off.
Tierney won’t want to come here to play League Cup and FA Cup games. He’ll want to be at a club where he is the main man playing 30+ League games and as man UCL games as possible.
Why not? Stranger things had happened before against far better players. A tiny player whose career was plagued with asthma problems was able to kick a proven English international DM despite Incey being one of the best in his role. Another English international got thrown out by an 18 year old Welsh and before you say Im only highlighting WC players, Gaz and Fletcher did the same against top opposition. Also why should he be doing that? Sandro can play as LW, Tierney can play as RB and irrespective of that both will get a fair crack of the whip since our campaign is long and full of terror (in terms of fatigue and injuries). If Philip Neville (lousy defender who can't cross, he can't dribble and is quite renowned for his reckless tackling that nearly costed us the treble) could get 29 games a season with us despite competing against the best LB in EPL history then imagine how many games Tierney can get against far weaker opposition.
I disagree. He'll need time to adapt to real football and he's getting at a stage when complacency will start setting in stalling his development. Tierney is a work in progress. Clubs might bother themselves investing on a 20 year old but that patience will run thin the older he gets.
Also United has a huge problem at the rear flanks. These vacancies will sooner rather then later be filled. If I was Tierney I'd rather sign now and go toe to toe against an ageing Valencia/Young + a Brazilian FB whose got zero experience about the EPL then wait another year. 6 months is a long time in football. Just ask Mbappe or Renato Sanches who were the flavour of the season of 2017 and 2016 transfer window respectively.
Ok it could happen. But realistically there’s pretty much zero chance of it given Mourinho’s selection style, preference for specialists and Tierney’s ambitions and expectations.
If his characteristics differs from what the manager wants then we're wasting our time discussing him. Its pointless suggesting his name if he's unsuited to our game/Mou's game. If we're interested in him then we assume that Mou rates him.
Which leads us to the second part ie competition. Sandro is an excellent player but he's not Maldini or Irwin. He's not untouchable and can pass from a bad patch as clearly shown during this season. Also, Tierney can compete for the RB position while Sandro can easily slot as the hardworking LW Mou seem to love so much.
According to transfermarkt, Tierney never played as RB till date. Not sure he will play for ManUtd.
The point being made is that it’s Alex Sandro or Tierney. The upside of one is the downside for the other but that doesn’t make them compatible to buy both. It would be 60-70m for both and only one would be satisfied with the amount of game time.
The left wing slot is the last of our problems so that’s not a valid argument.
Tierney has played RB for Scotland a few times, and never looks comfortable. Cuts in far too much.
If Mou doesn't rate Tierney then there's no Sandro or Tierney. There's only Sandro. I am assuming that both players are rated by Mourinho. In that case then, in my opinion, there's space (and need) of both.
He played there with Scotland. Even as LB, in my opinion, there's space (and need) for both Sandro and Tierney.
I feel like your being a bit extreme about his possible stagnation. I would imagine a 21/22 year old that has 3 seasons of 40+ games under his belt - with experience in Europe would only make him more attractive. I definitely get the idea against young, but young and Sandro seems a bit much when you already know Jose trusts Young. I can't imagine he'll want to develop as a RB, so will be looking at paths to the first team in the LB spot.
Anyway, I get where you're coming from. I just think Sandro on his own is fine and no need for both, as we know Young isn't going anywhere and we'll probably get a RB.
Oh yeah, he played for Scotland. I checked only club performance data.
Well I beg to differ on that. He's playing in a very weak league with barely a handful of competitive games in it. Its time for him to move on. That's in my opinion. Regarding your second comment, we can survive with Sandro and a 32 year old makeshift winger whose been moved to LB because he's shite in his natural role. That doesn't mean its the ideal situation to be in.
In this forum there are a lot of fellow Italians supporting United and writing, which is nice to me, but they are also too often the source of fake rumours from Italy and distorted narratives. In this case, again and as per direct Juve’s insiders, Alex Sandro is more juventino today than two weeks ago because of other full backs leaving and Spinazzola injury. It is not United’s amount of money as a fee the question. On the contrary, Sandro’s beef with the pragmatic Allegri seems over and he should renew his contract soon. United should now offer Sandro’s agents big money to make their talks with Juve collapse and ask for a transfer.