Has Di Marzio said anything about this yet?
Alex Sandro
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Alaba it is then 
Nope. Until he does I'd take every development with a pinch of salt.
Source?
It makes sense. I read in Juventuz that hes on of the lowest wages there because after the deal with Chelsea collapsed they did not renew his contract.
Ah the old 'use United to get a bumper new contract from your club' plan - that one seems to work every time.
I had a quick trawl through their website and the only recent reference I could find to Sandro was in an article about Darmian saying:
Alex Sandro in bilico
Which Google translate tells me means 'Alex Sandro in the balance'
and then another bit which possibly comes up in the context of a renewal, but seems to say that no decision has been made, an Italian speaker would do better here:
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calciomerca...ian-c-contatto-filipe-luis-270178955382.shtml
Just get Tierney; Sandro is overhyped, overpriced and older. All of these sexy ‘name’ signings to appease the fanboys and Woodward keep failing - buy some common sense, no nonsense footballers to restore the identity that once made United great.
Would be possible to sign Emerson Palmieri from Chelsea? The few times he played he looked very good in the EPL. They play with wing backs and Alonso will not lose his place. Palmieri is young(23) and i think will be better than Alex Sandro.
If it’s true that Tierney sees his long-term future as a midfielder, perhaps he could be persuaded to come here on the basis of becoming Matic’s successor over time.
My preference remains Sandro but, being Scottish, I’d love Tierney to get a chance.
My preference remains Sandro but, being Scottish, I’d love Tierney to get a chance.
Exactly, the problem isn’t that our full backs don’t attack and simply that they’re not good enough as both are converted wingers who were good at best rather than ever great. Valencia can’t cross and rarely beats a man so have to hope for him running in behind and Young has to cut in every single time which slows us down.
Have to disagree there. Cole was definitely at his best in his Arsenal days, where he was truly the best leftback in the world for a couple of years. He never got near that after he left. Not that I'm blaming Jose for that; Cole just never seemed to fully get back to his best from the injury that he got in his last season at Arsenal. He was still solid at Chelsea and was probably the second best in the league (after Evra), but it was a definite step down. The only time it looked like he might get back to that level again was in 09/10 (I think?) where he started the season on fire but picked up another injury half way through the season which knocked him around.
Whereas Tierney, as with all young players we buy, is guaranteed to be amazing.
Agreed, id rather have Tierney as well.
Tierney and Odriozola would bring plenty of young enthusiasm and energy to our full back positions.
Alex Sandro is a woodward signing, Tierney is a fergie signing. I know which one has a better success rate.
Right. I'd actually argue that at Madrid and Inter especially FBs like Marcelo, Zannetti and Maicon were extremely critical to those teams' attacking threat on the counter as they were depended upon to transition the ball forward by either playing penetrative forward passes or carrying the ball forward themselves.
Mourinho will give FBs license to get forward IF he trusts them to work to get back defensively into shape when the team loses possession.
If we had a manager like Pocchettino in charge then yeah I’d be all for signing Tierney but we don’t have Pocchettino in charge, we have Jose with his last throw of the dice next season who is constantly going on about “maturity” and “experience” so basically saying he’s going to sign established players that instantly improve us and thinking short term.
Yes they both would and as I said if we had someone like Pocchettino in charge who happily gives players time and progresses them then players like Tierney and Odriozola would be perfect, Jose doesn’t want to wait a few years for a player to develop and wants instant success and trophies otherwise his reputation suffers and he won’t allow that to think long term.
I can't believe the opinions on Sandro here tbh. He's a dream signing for me and will solve all our LB issues for years. He's at the perfect age too.
The question is whether the fan would be patient enough to give Poch time to learn how to win things. We would still spend money so there wouldn't be excuse about lacking resource. Having exciting youngster is all good, but it's not like the requirement of being top club is developing young players.
Edit: Reading people here, I would have thought Poch can turn any star into great players. Why didn't Tottenham to keep Wimmer then buy Sanchez for club record fee? Where are Ryan Mason, N Koudou, Bentaleb, N Jie, Janssen (bought Llorente to replace him)... this season? Remember how highly rated most of these guys are by our infamous Tottenham poster here, so I would have thought these players would all turn good for Tottenham, but is it?
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the Wimmer reference got me thinking, if we buy a player and he isn't a major success we usually sell at a loss. Spurs bought him for 4.3 million quid, he wasn't able to ever really break into their first team. What do they do, sell him for 18 million to Stoke.
Wage, homegrown status should be taken into the equation. Tottenham can take punt, the youngster can fail and move on without much fuss. Here with us, it's different. We're not here selling the development ground image, when we show interest in a player, price more often than not would be hiked, so no point on taking mass punts since in the end you may risk to lose the same amount if many of them turn gross. We instead go for a more highly young players for higher price. When it doesn't work out for our expection, of course we're more likely to take loss than selling for profit. Still in the whole scheme we're doing better financial. Football is not just about buying selling players! And we have many former graduate playing at lesser clubs in PL, and lower level too. So it's not like we're doing badly.
Just because Tottenham was able to sell Wimmer for proportional profit doesn't mean it's a success. In the end they had to pay club record for Sanchez who Ajax bought for around 5 mil euro just a year ago. Basically if you put negative spin on it, Tottenham wasted time develop Wimmer for not so profitable sum in the whole scheme, instead of scouting harder taking more punts. I meant this is the same thing people often moan here about us not signing the talent without going through the middle man club. If people are to be consistent with what they said, then it would happen again with any of our next manager whoever it is, with or without youth development CV.
Also, it's unlikely Tottenham can always make profit off their punts and they can just run this forever without being outsourced: Sancho Dortmund case, Bundesliga is getting promoted as a great development ground for top talent youngster for example and their clubs are more open to sell players than Levy.
All in all, perspective and expectation is the key.
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Yeah but Brexit means Brexit. Why sign a proven CL-level footballer when we can have some kid who plays in Scottland..
This is very much on point.
He's old and has few good years in him anyway.
Already 27. We are going to have to look for his successor next season.
I'm not serious.
I'm not serious.
You are doing it right mate
Because he is young and has 100 years ahead of him
He's 27, just entered his peak years. Perfect age. How many young FBs do you know from the big teams in Europe that are first choice and consistent? I can only think of two from my knowledge, Alaba and Bellerin. The vast majority are 26 and up and better than they've ever been. This is what the manager is going for, someone ready to come in and play. Teirney is far from the finished article.
From memory the only fullbacks I can remember Fergie signing for the first team below 20 were Rafael and Fabio. The ones from the academy were played as auxiliary/back up options (O'shea, Phil Neville). The best two LBs he signed IMO were Irwin and Evra. Irwin was 25 and Evra was 24 both already had a lot of experience. When Fegie looked to sign Bale it was with the view of developing and playing him as a winger. I wouldn't label Tierney a 'Fergie signing' by default just because he's young.
I have to hands up and admit you are right on this. He did peak as a player at Arsenal but had his best years at Chelsea in trophy winning terms.
Fergie would 100% want to sign Tierney IMO. He’s Scottish for a start.
You can have him for 50m. Fecking useless.
Think he would want to sign him as Fergie always liked signing the best talent from the British isles that were good enough for United. But wasn’t Jim Leighton essentially the last first team permanent player Fergie signed who was Scottish?
Once upon a time you could get useless for free, now it costs fecking £50m
I’m a Tierney fan but come on Fergie signed quite a few older players. Cantana was prime example and even Henrick was a fair age.
Henrick was especially brilliant
Think Cantana to be fair was better for United
Aye.
You dont like him?
Funny, isn't it? Bet half of these fan boys have never seen Tierney play.
Sandro is a better attacking full back than Tierney.