Alex Sandro

sideshow_bob said:
I'll remember this. Time will tell I guess if Tierney has what it takes.
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Seen enough bob to know this kid is a stick on. He’s the best we have seen coming through in Scotland for years.
 
It's great that we are being linked with all these fancy attacking full backs, is Jose going to let them of the leash though. No point in paying 50 or so million and trying to curtail a players natural game. We've seen how that worked with Pogba. Young and Valencia are both wingers by trade, but by the way they play full back you wouldn't know it. Whether that's by instruction or ability, I don't know but seeing Jose berate Shaw for taking a shot the other week was actually quite sad.
 
poleglass red said:
It's great that we are being linked with all these fancy attacking full backs, is Jose going to let them of the leash though. No point in paying 50 or so million and trying to curtail a players natural game. We've seen how that worked with Pogba. Young and Valencia are both wingers by trade, but by the way they play full back you wouldn't know it. Whether that's by instruction or ability, I don't know but seeing Jose berate Shaw for taking a shot the other week was actually quite sad.
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This is what I wonder - he shouted at Shaw for being to far forward in his last game so who knows.
 
poleglass red said:
It's great that we are being linked with all these fancy attacking full backs, is Jose going to let them of the leash though. No point in paying 50 or so million and trying to curtail a players natural game. We've seen how that worked with Pogba. Young and Valencia are both wingers by trade, but by the way they play full back you wouldn't know it. Whether that's by instruction or ability, I don't know but seeing Jose berate Shaw for taking a shot the other week was actually quite sad.
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Wouldn't call Sandro a fancy attacking FB. He isn't a marcelo, he's more of a rounded all round FB.
 
First part of a 2 part deal:


Sandro is valued at £40m. Darmian will either be sold separately or part of the same deal. Regardless will end up being the same thing anyways.


Sandro for £30m+Darmian in 1 deal

or

Darmian for £10m then Sandro for £40m in 2 deals
 
Sandro for 30m while getting rid of dead wood is a great deal.
 
poleglass red said:
It's great that we are being linked with all these fancy attacking full backs, is Jose going to let them of the leash though. No point in paying 50 or so million and trying to curtail a players natural game. We've seen how that worked with Pogba. Young and Valencia are both wingers by trade, but by the way they play full back you wouldn't know it. Whether that's by instruction or ability, I don't know but seeing Jose berate Shaw for taking a shot the other week was actually quite sad.
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Don't understand this Young and Valencia get forward plenty the issue is they slow the attack whilst there as Valencia shimmys before passing back and Young needs to come onto his right.

Very perplexed that anyone could think Young was restricted
 
Smores said:
Don't understand this Young and Valencia get forward plenty the issue is they slow the attack whilst there as Valencia shimmys before passing back and Young needs to come onto his right.

Very perplexed that anyone could think Young was restricted
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People have been brainwashed into thinking all of our players have to stay behind the ball and defend.

Both Young and Valencia got forward against Chelsea, it’s just that they have limitations to their game as you have pointed out.
 
I agree with the posts above: it’s been bizarre seeing so many people say our full-backs aren’t allowed beyond the halfway line, they are restricted, or it doesn’t matter who we sign as it won’t make any difference.

Jose-bashing is fine if that’s what people want to do, but it’s tiresome reading utter nonsense.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
I agree with the posts above: it’s been bizarre seeing so many people say our full-backs aren’t allowed beyond the halfway line, they are restricted, or it doesn’t matter who we sign as it won’t make any difference.

Jose-bashing is fine if that’s what people want to do, but it’s tiresome reading utter nonsense.
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That’s a point I made last week. The fullbacks are given license to attack, they just have responsibility to defend as well... they’re defenders for feck sake.

Upgrading them to players who are more effective in attacking positions or have the engines to get up and down at a higher frequency would absolutely improve our play. That’s nothing to do with “Mourinho’s tactics”. That’s simple quality of personell.
 
He is gone when he goes though, Allegri had his market-window meeting with the club yesterday and asked for more quality in the squad, not less quality. In Juve language, it means Sandro goes if and when a suitable / monetisable replacement (neither the injured Spinazzola nor the squad player Darmian) is found.
 
I don't think Juve want to sell Sandro with Asamoah and Lichsteiner leaving and now that Spinazzola broke his cruciate ligament (6 months out).
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
First part of a 2 part deal:


Sandro is valued at £40m. Darmian will either be sold separately or part of the same deal. Regardless will end up being the same thing anyways.


Sandro for £30m+Darmian in 1 deal

or

Darmian for £10m then Sandro for £40m in 2 deals
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That's what Corriere is saying?
 
poleglass red said:
It's great that we are being linked with all these fancy attacking full backs, is Jose going to let them of the leash though. No point in paying 50 or so million and trying to curtail a players natural game. We've seen how that worked with Pogba. Young and Valencia are both wingers by trade, but by the way they play full back you wouldn't know it. Whether that's by instruction or ability, I don't know but seeing Jose berate Shaw for taking a shot the other week was actually quite sad.
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Jose has played with attacking full backs all his career. They are integral to his style. Will be odd if he suddenly wants to put them on a leash.
 
GM K said:
Jose has played with attacking full backs all his career. They are integral to his style. Will be odd if he suddenly wants to put them on a leash.
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Ashley Cole was on a leash. Who did he have that was attacking?
 
Mainoldo said:
Ashley Cole was on a leash. Who did he have that was attacking?
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Ivanovic certainly raided forward plenty, he had a pretty decent goal scoring record also.

Bosingwa would also push forward. I assume he preferred Cole to stay back as he was great defensively, the right side would be more attacking.
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
First part of a 2 part deal:


Sandro is valued at £40m. Darmian will either be sold separately or part of the same deal. Regardless will end up being the same thing anyways.


Sandro for £30m+Darmian in 1 deal

or

Darmian for £10m then Sandro for £40m in 2 deals
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I was expecting either Sandro for 40m or Sandro for 60m with Juventus committing themselves in taking Darmian of our hands.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Ivanovic certainly raided forward plenty, he had a pretty decent goal scoring record also.
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Well mostly corners I assume. There not really attacking though. He’s a center back turned right back. Sorry stand corrected by attacking I mean good in the final third. Valencia really is an attacking RB but he’s useless in the final third. Ashley Young you can say the same even though he has good delivery.
 
Smores said:
Don't understand this Young and Valencia get forward plenty the issue is they slow the attack whilst there as Valencia shimmys before passing back and Young needs to come onto his right.

Very perplexed that anyone could think Young was restricted
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Yeah he's not.

Issue is he stops and cuts back on to right foot while Valencia is just a nightmare with his stopping/passing backwards (kills that flank).

If we get Sandro, maybe Young could play RB. His defensive play has improved and being on the right should allow him to take on opposing LB and cross naturally (improving quality of delivery and speed of ball in?)
 
Mainoldo said:
Ashley Cole was on a leash. Who did he have that was attacking?
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Hahaha. How was Ashley Cole on a leash? He had his best years under Jose. Was Zanetti on a leash? Was Marcello on a leash? Many will argue that Marcello became the best left back under Jose. That was when his lethal combo with Cristiano started on the left. Can you remember Maicon? I mean that Brazilian that used to tear defenders to shreds with his attacking runs as a right back? Jose converted Ramos to a centre back but the Spaniard played mostly as an attacking right back under Jose. How about Ferreira? Ivanovic? Azpolicueta? Even at United, Young and Valencia push forward a lot. Unfortunately their and products and ball retention skills are average in my opinion.

I think the evidences are overwhelming that Jose has always used full backs that attack. The problem is how he sets up the whole team in ball possession terms. Jose tends to let the opponent have the ball and he focuses a lot on neutralizing the opponent. That's where his defensive style reputation comes from not the lrestraining of full backs.
 
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roonster09 said:
Marcelo, Coentrao for sure.
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Yeah Maicon was impressive until Bale abused him. Never was the same after that. Was more going off Ashley Cole’s actually word where he confirmed Mourinho doesn’t allow for as much freedom as he was use to. But he did improve defensively.
 
GM K said:
Hahaha. How was Ashley Cole on a leash? He had his best years under Jose. Was Zanetti on a leash? Was Marcello on a leash? Many will argue that Marcello became the best left back under Jose. That was when his lethal combo with Cristiano started on the left. Can you remember Maicon? I mean that Brazilian that uses to tear defenders to shreds with his attacking runs as a right back? Jose converted Ramos to a centre back but the Spaniard played mostly as an attacking right back under Jose. How about Ferreira? Ivanovic? Azpolicueta? Even at United, Young and Valencia push forward a lot. Unfortunately their and products and ball retention skills are average in my opinion.

I think the evidences are overwhelming that Jose has always used full backs that attack. The problem is how he says up the whole team in ball possession terms. Jose tends to let the opponent have the ball and he focused a lot on neutralizing the opponent. That's where his defensive style reputation comes from not the leashing of full backs.
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Read above. Ashley Cole’s interview is available online. Don’t see why he would lie tbf. Suppose it’s easier to defend if your whole team is defending.
 
Trizy said:
Sandro for 30m while getting rid of dead wood is a great deal.
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Agreed!

Didn’t Chelsea have a bid rejected for him for around £50/60 million recently? Think that was mid season though.
 
GM K said:
Jose has played with attacking full backs all his career. They are integral to his style. Will be odd if he suddenly wants to put them on a leash.
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not really. Even recently at Chelsea his choice of full backs was defender first, attacking 2nd. Players like Ivanovic and Azpilecuta epitomized that. Even going further back, he was very loyal to Paulo Ferreira. Another defender first but could help out in attack when needed. Certainly not a Marcelo type attacking wise but certainly more secure defensively. It his style, he's made his name being tight at the back
 
Cee90 said:
Agreed!

Didn’t Chelsea have a bid rejected for him for around £50/60 million recently? Think that was mid season though.
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Last summer. He’s since got a year less on his contract, downed tools and I don’t see any other big clubs needing to fill that position or capable of offering what we can.
 
poleglass red said:
not really. Even recently at Chelsea his choice of full backs was defender first, attacking 2nd. Players like Ivanovic and Azpilecuta epitomized that. Even going further back, he was very loyal to Paulo Ferreira. Another defender first but could help out in attack when needed. Certainly not a Marcelo type attacking wise but certainly more secure defensively. It his style, he's made his name being tight at the back
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Ashley Cole? One of the best attacking LB's the PL has had?
 
charlenefan said:
Ashley Cole? One of the best attacking LB's the PL has had?
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Maybe im cracking up but always saw Cole as outstanding defensively more so than attacking. One of the only defenders i've seen consistently get the better of Ronaldo.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Maybe im cracking up but always saw Cole as outstanding defensively more so than attacking. One of the only defenders i've seen consistently get the better of Ronaldo.
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He was! I think if he stayed at Arsenal he would have been more of an Evra type LB, but Mourinho did improve him. However like Michael Owen said if your a defender you’ll always look good under Mourinho because he give you plenty of protection. He has Mhikitaryan and Mo Salah playing right back for frig sack lol.
 
poleglass red said:
not really. Even recently at Chelsea his choice of full backs was defender first, attacking 2nd. Players like Ivanovic and Azpilecuta epitomized that. Even going further back, he was very loyal to Paulo Ferreira. Another defender first but could help out in attack when needed. Certainly not a Marcelo type attacking wise but certainly more secure defensively. It his style, he's made his name being tight at the back
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A full back must defend first and foremost. Not sure where people got this idea that the modern full back must attack first and foremost. But that aside, the examples you mentioned are debatable even though they are the most conservative examples you can pick from Jose's history. Ivanovic for certain had the license to bomb forward anytime he played as a full back while Azpilecuita was admittedly often more restrained. But how do you explain Maicon, Marcello, Zannetti etc. These guys were like the most potent weapons of his team's at times.
 
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